Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think She-Hulk is stronger then Namor.Not by miles, though. And certainly not enough to give her definitive win.
Indeed, until i see a God like feat or victory, she is in the same strength category as Namor and Mortal Herc i.e. mid Class 100.
Namor has shown he can match and sometime surpass those who are FAR stronger than him. I don't think She hulks durability will be able to withstand such attacks for long.
Originally posted by yahman
"She Hulks suit is kinda like Cyclops visor. It helps her have full conscious control over her abilities. However when she wants to apply her full unbridled strength against something without the need for subtlety or restraint she doesn't wear it. Kind of like how Cyclops takes off his visor when going for broke or as shown in she hulks title how she did when faced with Titania with the power gem. "I don't recall Reed describing quite it like that 🙄
Awww dont get all stressy on me. Its only a lil debate. 🙁
The Jupiter suit as stated on panel helps regulate her strength and apply it at controlled levels in everyday situations.
However when shes in a situation that doesnt call for restraint or subtlety such as when facing a vastly powerful opponent (i.e Titania with power gem) she doesnt wear it. We cool? 🙂
Originally posted by yahman
"On top of that now She Hulk gets stronger and bulks out when she gets angry enough."Namor written well is at least on par with Mortal Herc so plus the extra skill and superior durability, i believe he wins.
🙂
Namor is slightly below Mortal Herc in terms of strength. She hulk is considerably stronger than Herc and when angered enough temporarily increases in strength. I'll leave you to do the math. 😄
Give me a buzz if you run into any problems. 😉
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerCan anyone spell: OWNED? 😂
Previously dealt with im afraid. 🙁
Learn the diffrence between superhuman physical attributes and skill.
Namor has vastly superior speed, reflexes, strength and durability than Cap. Those things back up what skills he does have.
If you too those things away and made him the same level as Cap in all of the aforementioned areas then Namor would lose quite decidely. 🙂
Namor is not known for his martial arts prowess. He is known for being a powerhouse. Cap on the other hand is.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Awww dont get all stressy on me. Its only a lil debate. 🙁The Jupiter suit as stated on panel helps regulate her strength and apply it at controlled levels in everyday situations.
However when shes in a situation that doesnt call for restraint or subtlety such as when facing a vastly powerful opponent (i.e Titania with power gem) she doesnt wear it. We cool? 🙂
Namor is slightly below Mortal Herc in terms of strength. She hulk is considerably stronger than Herc and when angered enough temporarily increases in strength. I'll leave you to do the math. 😄
Give me a buzz if you run into any problems. 😉
"Namor is slightly below Mortal Herc in terms of strength."
Prove it !
"She hulk is considerably stronger than Herc "
Debatable ! I think this is a more accurate Statement
"She hulk is stronger than Herc "
"when angered enough temporarily increases in strength. "
Mate this is just plain BS ..... to quote myself lucky
'You do realise that on both occasions external factors, were responsible for her becoming the Savage She Hulk.'
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Previously dealt with im afraid. 🙁Learn the diffrence between superhuman physical attributes and skill.
Namor has vastly superior speed, reflexes, strength and durability than Cap. Those things back up what skills he does have.
If you too those things away and made him the same level as Cap in all of the aforementioned areas then Namor would lose quite decidely. 🙂
Namor is not known for his martial arts prowess. He is known for being a powerhouse. Cap on the other hand is.
He doesn't look like he's using much strength to me. 😉 And im sure if the pictures contained She Hulk rather than Namor, you would be using them to state your point. Unfortunately they dont !
Originally posted by yahman
"Namor is slightly below Mortal Herc in terms of strength."Prove it !
Hercules has always been presented as a higher tier powerhouse and to top it off in their latest bios Herc is placed a tier above Namor. Its the same situation with those Marvel Trading cards of your brothers i believe. Isnt that what you said?
Guess we know who Marvel thinks is stronger.
Originally posted by yahman
"She hulk is considerably stronger than Herc "Debatable ! I think this is a more accurate Statement
"She hulk is stronger than Herc "
Being able to feel Hercules giving it his all and then allowing him to win in an arm wrestling match tells you that shes quite a bit stronger than him. As does her question to herself "Just how strong have i become". The armwrestling scene showed that she's stronger than him to the point of it being noteworthy, apparent if you will. Therefore considerably stronger is a perfectly adequate terming.
Originally posted by yahman
"when angered enough temporarily increases in strength. "Mate this is just plain BS ..... to quote myself lucky
'You do realise that on both occasions external factors, were responsible for her becoming the Savage She Hulk.'
I'll have to see if i can dig up some old Savage She hulk comics because in them when angered enough her strength increased as well.
Either way what does it matter. She is considerably stronger than current Herc who himself (at least according to Marvel) is stronger than Namor. 😄
I'll tell you what people seem to think Namor has this in the bag.
What if for this match Namor has heard talk of She hulk sstrength increase and desires to test out his strength against hers. She complains about his flitting around and says she'd have it in the bag if he stopped fluttering around. As a matter of honour Namor promises not to fly in this match up. Hows that?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Previously dealt with im afraid. 🙁Learn the diffrence between superhuman physical attributes and skill.
I know the difference. Namor has both.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Namor has vastly superior speed, reflexes, strength and durability than Cap. Those things back up what skills he does have.
And he sure has skills.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you too those things away and made him the same level as Cap in all of the aforementioned areas then Namor would lose quite decidely. 🙂
It certainly would not be complete curbstomp. Like I said:
Best training of Atlantis, warrior nation that existed before Caps ancestors were heard of. Namor is an royal. Royals usually get the best training the nation has to offer, may it be academics or warfare. Atlantis is very warrior centered, and it is only logical that they would train their future Emperor in the best way possible. Basically, 10 000 years of combat experience has been transferred to Namor.
Now combine that to Namor's experience that outclasses Cap's (Cap did spent 30 years inside ice cube...during that time Namor grew in skills and experience.
Also, combine that with the fact that Namor has been fighting skilled fighters as Thor, Dr. Doom (very good at martial arts) and Hercules and heaven't lost.
Namor is not Captain America's superior in hand to hand combat, but he is not really inferior compared to him either.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Namor is not known for his martial arts prowess. He is known for being a powerhouse. Cap on the other hand is.
Wolverine is not really known for his martial arts prowess either. More like being rabid guy who hacks and slashes his way through enemies. You wouldn't say that he is not good in martial arts, wouldn't you?
Just because someone doesn't use their martial arts all the time, it doesn't really mean that they are not good at it.
Originally posted by yahman
He doesn't look like he's using much strength to me. 😉
What a lame rebuttal. Of course he's not because with a flick of the wrist he could splatter Cap across the battlefield so he doesnt have to exert much. 🙄
However its still a class 100 character with superstrength, speed, reflexes and durability going up against a peak human martial artist. Cap has no chance whatsoever regardless of his martial prowess in comparison to Namors.
Originally posted by yahman
And im sure if the pictures contained She Hulk rather than Namor, you would be using them to state your point. Unfortunately they dont !
More sewage. Its becoming predictable mate 😂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I know the difference. Namor has both.And he sure has skills.
It certainly would not be complete curbstomp. Like I said:
Best training of Atlantis, warrior nation that existed before Caps ancestors were heard of. Namor is an royal. Royals usually get the best training the nation has to offer, may it be academics or warfare. Atlantis is very warrior centered, and it is only logical that they would train their future Emperor in the best way possible. Basically, 10 000 years of combat experience has been transferred to Namor.
Now combine that to Namor's experience that outclasses Cap's (Cap did spent 30 years inside ice cube...during that time Namor grew in skills and experience.
Also, combine that with the fact that Namor has been fighting skilled fighters as Thor, Dr. Doom (very good at martial arts) and Hercules and heaven't lost.
Namor is not Captain America's superior in hand to hand combat, but he is not really inferior compared to him either.
Wolverine is not really known for his martial arts prowess either. More like being rabid guy who hacks and slashes his way through enemies. You wouldn't say that he is not good in martial arts, wouldn't you?
Just because someone doesn't use their martial arts all the time, it doesn't really mean that they are not good at it.
I never said Namor doesnt have skills. Im just saying he doesnt have as much as Cap. You have yet to prove he does. Cap is acclaimed for his skills Namor is known for being a powerhouse.
According to Marvel Caps a better fighter than Namor hence Caps 7 (Master of most arts on the planet) to Namors 4.(experienced fighter)
Wolverine is indeed known for his martial arts prowess. This is depicted in his many adventures hes had in Japan, his fights against other martial artists and the fact that he's a teacher of martial arts at the Institute. Plus he also has a 7 rating.
Take away Namors superhuman attributes, place them on par with Caps and then Cap will win hand to hand.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hercules has always been presented as a higher tier powerhouse and to top it off in their latest bios Herc is placed a tier above Namor. Its the same situation with those Marvel Trading cards of your brothers i believe. Isn't that what you said?Guess we know who Marvel think sis stronger.
Being able to feel Hercules giving it his all and then allowing him to win in an arm wrestling match tells you that shes quite a bit stronger than him. As does her question to herself "Just how strong have i become". The armwrestling scene showed that she's stronger than him to the point of it being noteworthy, apparent if you will. Therefore considerably stronger is a perfectly adequate terming.
I'll have to see if i can dig up some old Savage She hulk comics because in them when angered enough her strength increased as well.
Either way what does it matter. She is considerably stronger than current Herc who himself (at least according to Marvel) is stronger than Namor. 😄
I'll tell you what people seem to think Namor has this in the bag.
What if for this match Namor has heard talk of She hulk sstrength increase and desires to test out his strength against hers. She complains about his flitting around and says she'd have it in the bag if he stopped fluttering around. As a matter of honour Namor promises not to fly in this match up. Hows that?
"Hercules has always been presented as a higher tier powerhouse and to top it off in their latest bios Herc is placed a tier above Namor. Its the same situation with those Marvel Trading cards of your brothers i believe. Isn't that what you said?"
Good point Sherlock ! Except Herc doesn't have a card ! The old Herc was far above Namor, undoubtedly he's been relegated, and Namor was previously the top of this lower level. IMO This class is for characters who are mid class 100, (i.e they have shown they can consistently lift thousands of tons) 🙂
Words like 'considerable' get thrown around lot !!!!! People should be a careful when using them as they have adverse effects on people's memory, without actually proving anything. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What a lame rebuttal. Of course he's not because with a flick of the wrist he could splatter Cap across the battlefield so he doesnt have to exert much. 🙄However its still a class 100 character with superstrength, speed, reflexes and durability going up against a peak human martial artist. Cap has no chance whatsoever regardless of his martial prowess in comparison to Namors.
More sewage. Its becoming predictable mate 😂
😆 G.S. lord of Irony !!!!!!!!! This card is usually pulled out when you cannot counter.
Originally posted by yahman
"Hercules has always been presented as a higher tier powerhouse and to top it off in their latest bios Herc is placed a tier above Namor. Its the same situation with those Marvel Trading cards of your brothers i believe. Isnt that what you said?"Good point Sherlock ! Except Herc doesn't have a card ! The old Herc was far above Namor, undoubtedly he's been relegated, and Namor was previously the top of this lower level. IMO This class is for characters who are mid class 100, (i.e they have shown they can consistently lift thousands of tons) 🙂
Nope but as you stated Thor has a card and the two are widely regarded as equals strength wise even to this day. So if Thor is a level above Namor on those cards then its safe to assume Herc would be as well. Either way he is in the Handbooks anyway and in the comics Herc is acclaimed for his strength. Its quite clear Namor is below Hercules my friend.🙂
Originally posted by yahman
Words like 'considerable' getb thrown around alot !!!!! People should be a careful when using them as they have adverse effects on people's memory, without actually proving anything. 🙂
Yet more sewage. 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never said Namor doesnt have skills. Im just saying he doesnt have as much as Cap. You have yet to prove he does. Cap is acclaimed for his skills Namor is known for being a powerhouse.According to Marvel Caps a better fighter than Namor hence Caps 7 (Master of most arts on the planet) to Namors 4.(experienced fighter)
Wolverine is indeed known for his martial arts prowess. This is depicted in his many adventures hes had in Japan, his fights against other martial artists and the fact that he's a teacher of martial arts at the Institute. Plus he also has a 7 rating.
Take away Namors superhuman attributes, place them on par with Caps and then Cap will win hand to hand.
✅ you are correct...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope but as you stated Thor has a card and the two are widely regarded as equals strength wise even to this day. So if Thor is a level above Namor on those cards then its safe to assume Herc would be as well. Either way he is in the Handbooks anyway and in the comics Herc is acclaimed for his strength. Its quite clear Namor is below Hercules my friend.🙂Yet more sewage. 😂
Thor and Herc where once equals, since Herc's power decrease, this is no longer the case !!!!!!! Ask Olympian about it, I'm pretty sure he will agree with me.
'Either way he is in the Handbooks anyway and in the comics Herc is acclaimed for his strength. '
How old are these handbooks exactly ? 😕
'in the comics Herc is acclaimed for his strength.'
And what exactly is Namor is 'acclaimed' for ? 🙄
' 😆 🙂 😕 '
I wish id seen this one before ! I see you've been altering your routine ! 🙄
There is a definitive pattern, that always emerges when debating with you G.S. You start off debating normally, but as soon as you cannot counter a point, you address it with your ridiculously overly used assortment of sarcastic remarks !
Originally posted by yahman
Thor and Herc where once equals, since Herc's power decrease, this is no longer the case !!!!!!! Ask Olympian about it, I'm pretty sure he will agree with me.'Either way he is in the Handbooks anyway and in the comics Herc is acclaimed for his strength. '
How old are these handbooks exactly ? 😕
Latest editions. Ooops 😮
Originally posted by yahman
And what exactly is Namor is 'acclaimed' for ? 🙄
His arrogance and love for green speedos. 😱
Originally posted by yahman
There is a definitive pattern, that always emerges when debating with you G.S. You start off debating normally, but as soon as you cannot counter a point, you address it with your ridiculously overly used assortment of sarcastic remarks !
Rubbish and very hypocritical. There is also a very definitive pattern in your debating style with myself. You'll smugly enter a debate im contributing to for no reason other than to try and prove me wrong. When you inevitably fail somewhere down the line you get aggravated and start accusing me of of being needlessly insulting or sarcastic when any such remarks of that nature are merely a response to your "witty" initial attempts to discredit. 🙁
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never said Namor doesnt have skills. Im just saying he doesnt have as much as Cap. You have yet to prove he does. Cap is acclaimed for his skills Namor is known for being a powerhouse.According to Marvel Caps a better fighter than Namor hence Caps 7 (Master of most arts on the planet) to Namors 4.(experienced fighter)
Wolverine is indeed known for his martial arts prowess. This is depicted in his many adventures hes had in Japan, his fights against other martial artists and the fact that he's a teacher of martial arts at the Institute. Plus he also has a 7 rating.
Take away Namors superhuman attributes, place them on par with Caps and then Cap will win hand to hand.
Namor has probably more training in martial arts then Cap does. I know that Cap went through rigorous physical and combat training prior him getting through Super Soldier Experiment, but how long did this last? Weeks? Months? During that time Namor had already at least ten years of headstart in fighting training. Fighting experience can get you pretty far. So, Namor has more experience in fighting then Cap, and he started martial arts training long before Cap started his.
Besides, Atlantis has long perfected it's martial arts before surface world. I think their training is comparable. If Namor would suddenly reverted to Cap's level, he would probably lose, because he would need to get used to being in body much weaker then his. But if he had lived through all those years with human body, and had the same training he would be near or equivalent of Cap in hand to hand combat.
And I believe that Rating 7 means that the one with such rating has perfected all forms of hand to hand combat. It's hard to believe that he has mastered most of the hundreds of martial arts, and it is impossible that he would have mastered them ALL.
All I have seen about Captain's martial arts prowess is him being master of Judo and American Boxing. And I am not saying that he could not be one of the worlds most formidable combatants with those two...with his experience, he has probably gotten bits of other forms of fighting, maybe mastered few more. But all? I don't think so.
Maybe if he hadn't spent all that time inside that cube.
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Anyway, we are going away from the topic.
It's an fact that Namor is vstly more experienced in hand to hand combat then She-Hulk.
