Last Man Standing! Completely dark room

Originally posted by jinzin
when he fought daredevil, when he hunted down some hand ninjas to find wolverine and snuffed them out in the dark...

he has cat-like night vision.. but you have to remember it IS mutant nightvision.. there's no telling how it works... and it's already worked in complete dark to say he can't is being ignorant to what he's done in spite of blatant evidence that goes against your claims.

What were some of the times when Sabretooth's night vision worked in complete darkness? I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just curious as to when those events happened. If I'm proved wrong, I'm proved wrong. I don't have a problem with that.

i just thought I told you... 😕

I reckon Daredevil, seeing as the fight was basically in his pefect element. He knows when attacks are coming, and where everyone is, and who they are.

Punisher would go down first.
Then Cap.
Then Bats.
Then Sabretooth.
Then Spidey.
DD would be last man standing.

HOW does sabretooth go down? nobody here has what it takes to put him out of the fight.. in in this environment.

Originally posted by jinzin
HOW does sabretooth go down? nobody here has what it takes to put him out of the fight.. in in this environment.

^ When he fought DD it wasnt completly dark. And no, he didnt.

But i think its true about what was posted about Sabes eyesight. It is cat-like. If its completly dark with no light whatsoever, he shouldnt be able to see at all. Its not like the moon is out, and he can use that light. Its pitch black.

Originally posted by scotsmn
Mel you have a habit of asking questions OVER and OVER in multiple threads. Here is your answer since I know you'll never stop... geesh, it's like I'm married to you and you're asking me to throw out the trash.

NO! Spiderman can NOT dodge bullets in a 15' x 15' room. He CAN avoid being hit by moving BEFORE the bullet is ever fired. Satisfied?

That's Spidey, dodging sustained automatic weapons fire from a targetting system on a supervillain. Range is no more than 15 feet.

Not gun-like enough?

Dodging bullets that would be of approximately the same velocity as used by the Punisher in this scenario. Please note how little Spidey has to move his body overall.

Still not enough?

Dodging sustained fire from multiple assault weapons, which are firing rounds whose muzzle velocity far exceeds that of a handgun. The assailants are firing from less than 15 feet away, and Spidey is moving less than 15 feet overall in that frame.

So, in summation, you're just wrong. Spidey can dodge bullets, even at that range, and in the dark. Thanks for playing!

Originally posted by jinzin
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irrelivent? 🤨......which would be why sabretooth's dodged automatic gunfire from punisher? 🤨

Straw man. Not my argument. Nice try, though.

BTW, got scans of that?

Originally posted by jinzin
i just thought I told you... 😕

Nope, you didn't. Nowhere. Just checked.

Care to take that one back, then? Otherwise, got scans?

Originally posted by Melnorme
Well, now that you're on record, let me crush this argument of yours...

That's Spidey, dodging sustained automatic weapons fire from a targetting system on a supervillain. Range is no more than 15 feet.

Not gun-like enough?

Dodging bullets that would be of approximately the same velocity as used by the Punisher in this scenario. Please note how little Spidey has to move his body overall.

Still not enough?

Dodging sustained fire from multiple assault weapons, which are firing rounds whose muzzle velocity far exceeds that of a handgun. The assailants are firing from less than 15 feet away, and Spidey is moving less than 15 feet overall in that frame.

So, in summation, you're just wrong. Spidey can dodge bullets, even at that range, and in the dark. Thanks for playing!

I think you're having reading comprehension trouble.. no offense. I'll summarize for you. Spiderman cannot DODGE bullets in motion. If he is out of the path of the bullet before it is fired he did NOT dodge it. He did NOT dodge it. He did NOT dodge. it.

The clip of those noobs with guns firing at him doesn't mean he is dodging bullets. He is most likely anticipating the line of fire and moving before they fire. Same goes for lasers.

Then he'll simply do the same thing here.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Then he'll simply do the same thing here.

Perhaps, IF he isn't too occupied fighting someone else to notice in time.

Originally posted by scotsmn
I think you're having reading comprehension trouble.. no offense. I'll summarize for you. Spiderman cannot DODGE bullets in motion. If he is out of the path of the bullet before it is fired he did NOT dodge it. He did NOT dodge it. He did NOT dodge. it.

He did. Just look. Three panels. Different authors, different eras. Your claims are irrelevant, and also, incorrect.

Originally posted by scotsmn
The clip of those noobs with guns firing at him doesn't mean he is dodging bullets. He is most likely anticipating the line of fire and moving before they fire. Same goes for lasers.

Originally posted by scotsmn
Perhaps, IF he isn't too occupied fighting someone else to notice in time.

He doesn't need extra time. He can dodge attacks from multiple opponents just fine. This includes multiple assault rifle rounds, which I hasten to add, are both faster and more accurate than a handgun's.

That looks like, what, at least a half a dozen guys? And he's attacking at the same time? Spidey's got this, hands down.

Originally posted by Melnorme
Straw man. Not my argument. Nice try, though.

BTW, got scans of that?

actually, yeah it's not irrelivent.. it's completely on topic with what I was responding to which is possessing life... bullets are only as good as the person who's shooting them... however, they can't change direction in midair to seek out an opponent, while a person (like spidey for instance) can move out of their way due to possessing life... thus it's not irrelevant... you're just mistaken because you don't comprehend the connection... ❌

and yeah I do have scans.. they're in a spidey vs. sabretooth thread... you want em? go look for em...

and jrod.. the fight in the sewers was in the god damn pitchblack... there weren't exactly any lights down there.... if the artist drew black panals it would have made for a boring page... the hand ninja occurance... i need to go hunt that down.

Mel believes Spiderman can move in excess of 1300mph 🙁

Originally posted by jinzin
actually, yeah it's not irrelivent.. it's completely on topic with what I was responding to which is possessing life... bullets are only as good as the person who's shooting them... however, they can't change direction in midair to seek out an opponent, while a person (like spidey for instance) can move out of their way due to possessing life... thus it's not irrelevant... you're just mistaken because you don't comprehend the connection... ❌

People can't change direction in midair to seek out an opponent (well, Spiderman and many fliers can, but this doesn't help your case).

Ask anyone who knows about fighting. You also can't just "redirect" your punches midthrow and expect to do anything. That's why weaving is so very effective in boxing.

Bullets move in excess of the speed of sound. Some move at a couple of times the speed of sound, such as those fired from some rifles. Spider-Man dodges these with ease, as shown, at extremely close ranges, and from multiple attackers. Those also aren't noobs; they are trained mercenaries (who, might I add, managed pretty well to keep Wolverine in check).

"Possessing life" is an irrelevant red herring you're throwing in there. As shown through my rebuttals, you have not proven the point that it has any significant bearing on this debate. I'd say that my comprehension is spot on, despite your ad hominem attacks to the contrary.

and yeah I do have scans.. they're in a spidey vs. sabretooth thread... you want em? go look for em...

Originally posted by Porsche
Mel believes Spiderman can move in excess of 1300mph 🙁

Wrong. That's a straw man. Quote where I said that.

Originally posted by Melnorme
People can't change direction in midair to seek out an opponent (well, Spiderman and many fliers can, but this doesn't help your case).

Ask anyone who knows about fighting. You also can't just "redirect" your punches midthrow and expect to do anything. That's why weaving is so very effective in boxing.

Bullets move in excess of the speed of sound. Some move at a couple of times the speed of sound, such as those fired from some rifles. Spider-Man dodges these with ease, as shown, at extremely close ranges, and from multiple attackers. Those also aren't noobs; they are trained mercenaries (who, might I add, managed pretty well to keep Wolverine in check).

"Possessing life" is an irrelevant red herring you're throwing in there. As shown through my rebuttals, you have not proven the point that it has any significant bearing on this debate. I'd say that my comprehension is spot on, despite your ad hominem attacks to the contrary.

having life helps because you can move out of the way of bullets after they've been fired.. well... sabretooth can at least.. and the bullets don't follow him because they lack life.. it's totally rellivant to that particualr discussion but I agree to the debate of this thread it means nothing...

Originally posted by Melnorme
If you can't provide evidence in this thread, I'm afraid that only hurts your case. I've provided my own scans, even for a no-brainer feat like Spidey dodging bullets. If you cannot do likewise, I'm afraid that's a concession.

no it's not... it's laziness on both sides, mine for not wanting to scan, yours for not looking for scans I've already posted... I've already posted the damn scans.. plenty of people have seen the scans.. if you want to post em yourself the scans are out there in a sabretooth vs. spiderman thread... funny how you should mention proof too... guess you're not really familiar with how I get down eh? 😂

Originally posted by Melnorme
Wrong. That's a straw man. Quote where I said that.

Originally posted by Melnorme
Dodging bullets that would be of approximately the same velocity as used by the Punisher in this scenario. Please note how little Spidey has to move his body overall.

Dodging sustained fire from multiple assault weapons, which are firing rounds whose muzzle velocity far exceeds that of a handgun. The assailants are firing from less than 15 feet away, and Spidey is moving less than 15 feet overall in that frame.

So, in summation, you're just wrong. Spidey can dodge bullets, even at that range, and in the dark. Thanks for playing!

You mentioned the speed of bullets is above the speed of sound no? I can dig that post up for you as well if you like. You also mentioned those rifles can go twice the speed of sound. Speed of sound at 75degrees F is 774.97 mph. Double that is around 1500. Those assault weapons are popping bullets at over 1300mph and you have just been owned.

Dodging bullets? NAY! Being out of their path before they are fired? YAY! PWNZORED? YAAAAAAy!!!