Which x-men has the greatest agility · X-Men

X-Logan Senior Member

Originally posted by wannabe
Just in case you forgot, i already stated something similar before.
Read my following quote......but correct me if i'm wrong, we are talking about agility here, not fighting skills, don't we?
And with the "fast hands"...i think it depends on what situation you're talking about.
Wolvie as the excellent fighter he is is certainly able to land some really fast punches (like a boxer), but that's not agility, it's fighting skill and quickness.
When it comes to sleight of hands, pickpocketing and acrobatics, which pretty much falls under the category of agility and thus fits into this topic, Gambit is certainly faster/better.

I agree with almost all that you´ve said.
As I said before,my top list agility/acrobatic were:
1-Gambit
2-Beast
3-Nightcrawler
But I do think that Wolverine has better reflexes(reaction time) than gambit and nightcrawler based on the scans and things that I´ve already showed.Beast probably has the best reflexes of them all.
Domina, a women with all the powers of the Neo, had no chance of fighting back, was virtually at her knees from Logan's punches, whereas punches and blasts from all other X-Men, including those of a classic Rogue who absorbed Colossus's powers, didn't even bother her during the whole Neo-run...how believable is that, even for a hardcore Wolverine fan?

Logan caught her by surprise hitting her with his full force in weak points that any expert h2h fighter like him must know and just let her down for like 5 seconds...not a big deal in my opinion.

I never said he has human reflexes etc., i said......so please don't put words into my mouth i didn't use, that 's really bad style in a debate!

Ok,sorry...I thought you´ve said that... 😮

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Originally posted by X-Logan
As I said before,my top list agility/acrobatic were:
1-Gambit
2-Beast
3-Nightcrawler

My list is more like...
1-Nightcrawler
2-Beast
3-Gambit
...but i guess that's debatable.

Originally posted by X-Logan
But I do think that Wolverine has better reflexes(reaction time) than gambit and nightcrawler based on the scans and things that I´ve already showed.Beast probably has the best reflexes of them all.

Probably one of the best feats to show the reflexes of a character is the deflection of several bullets (shot from a short distance) with something pretty small and/or thin. Since both, Wolvie and Gambit, already showed such a feat, i'd say that they are pretty much even when it comes to reflexes, but that's off topic.

Originally posted by X-Logan
Ok,sorry...I thought you´ve said that... 😮

Apology accepted 😄

Originally posted by X-Logan
Logan caught her by surprise hitting her with his full force in weak points that any expert h2h fighter like him must know and just let her down for like 5 seconds...not a big deal in my opinion.

Did you read the comments and look at the punches drawn? It was just heavy and fast hitting.
He knocked down a woman stronger and more durable than Colossus, who happens to be the best fighter the Neos have...no big deal??? So why did the author and the artist expressed this fight like that?
It was simply ridiculous!!!

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Originally posted by X-Logan
Not at all,People have already posted lots of scan showing Wolvie hitting spiderman... 😮‍💨

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🙁 oh dear your not joking.......... 😉

wolverine8888 Restricted

are u kidding me lol now u guys are honestly trying to say gambit has higher agility then beast and night crawler that is a joke a peak human agility vs to of the highest agility characters there are lol not even close.
also reflexes lol dont even try to say gambit has wolverine like reflexes that a joke. gambit did once deflecta few bullets wolverine has cut a bullet into nuthing be for. he has cut mini rockets shot at him. he has dodge lazer. he dodges spiderman attacks befor, actauly many times don't even try to say gambit is even close in reflex.

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Originally posted by wannabe
My list is more like...
1-Nightcrawler
2-Beast
3-Gambit
...but i guess that's debatable.Probably one of the best feats to show the reflexes of a character is the deflection of several bullets (shot from a short distance) with something pretty small and/or thin. Since both, Wolvie and Gambit, already showed such a feat, i'd say that they are pretty much even when it comes to reflexes, but that's off topic. Apology accepted 😄
Did you read the comments and look at the punches drawn? It was just heavy and fast hitting.
He knocked down a woman stronger and more durable than Colossus, who happens to be the best fighter the Neos have...no big deal??? So why did the author and the artist expressed this fight like that?
It was simply ridiculous!!!

not redicules at all u ever heard of rough-house? wolverine beat his ass all the time in pure hand to hand combat and his strength and durbalility is up there will colossus

X-Logan Senior Member

Originally posted by wannabe
My list is more like...
1-Nightcrawler
2-Beast
3-Gambit
...but i guess that's debatable.Probably one of the best feats to show the reflexes of a character is the deflection of several bullets (shot from a short distance) with something pretty small and/or thin. Since both, Wolvie and Gambit, already showed such a feat, i'd say that they are pretty much even when it comes to reflexes, but that's off topic. Apology accepted 😄
Did you read the comments and look at the punches drawn? It was just heavy and fast hitting.
He knocked down a woman stronger and more durable than Colossus, who happens to be the best fighter the Neos have...no big deal??? So why did the author and the artist expressed this fight like that?
It was simply ridiculous!!!

I acept that gambit has the same reflexes that wolverine if chris claremont is writing him(gambit).If it´s other than CC gambit is slower and have no superhuman reflexes. 🙁

wolverine8888 Restricted

Originally posted by willRules
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🙁 oh dear your not joking.......... 😉

yup

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Originally posted by X-Logan
I acept that gambit has the same reflexes that wolverine if chris claremont is writing him(gambit).If it´s other than CC gambit is slower and have no superhuman reflexes. 🙁

even if chris is wrighting him he still under wolverine in reflexes clearly

X-Logan Senior Member

Originally posted by willRules
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🙁 oh dear your not joking.......... 😉

No,I am not...enjoy!
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Originally posted by wolverine8888
...also reflexes lol dont even try to say gambit has wolverine like reflexes that a joke. gambit did once deflecta few bullets wolverine has cut a bullet into nuthing be for. he has cut mini rockets shot at him. he has dodge lazer. he dodges spiderman attacks befor, actauly many times don't even try to say gambit is even close in reflex.

1) Even regular buggers and criminals have doged or hit Spiderman, the "God of reflexes and agility" in Marvel, when it supported the story and drama.
2) Why is it neglectable and nothing worth thinking about, when Gambit deflects several bullets shot from a machine gun about 1.5 meters away back at Forge, whereas it is something glorious when Wolvie does something similar???
3) The dodging lazers is not as special as you suggest it to be, like we already cleared. See the quote below...

Originally posted by wannabe
To dodge something is NOT waiting until the bullet or blast is already on it's way and then move aside!!! It's guessing the direction in which the attack is most likely about to go and move BEFORE it actually is on it's way.
The faster and better the attacker is, the harder it gets.
So when Wolverine dodges lasers, he doesn't have to be as fast as light. It only says that he is a good tactician and fighter and the attackers are pretty lame in comparison to him.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
not redicules at all u ever heard of rough-house? wolverine beat his ass all the time in pure hand to hand combat and his strength and durbalility is up there will colossus

I accept that it's in the comics, but without his claws it's a ridiculous and unbelievable feat, exactly the kind that makes me dislike the Wolvie comics (not the character itself) more and more.

And you still owe me an explanation for the following...

Originally posted by wolverine8888
top 20 list greatest to lowest. only x-men no one eles.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
I say that night crawler would be first but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
... wolverine is superhuman agility thou not as high as night crawlers or beast ...
...wolverine is not as agile as beat or night crawler that is true,

...These are YOUR quotes above w8888, now compare them to what you write in your quote below...

Originally posted by wolverine8888
he keeps up with night crawler and spiderman all the time and it is stated that he has superhuman agility. also I listed 20 comics already of some of his feats...noticed something?

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Originally posted by X-Logan
I acept that gambit has the same reflexes that wolverine if chris claremont is writing him(gambit).If it´s other than CC gambit is slower and have no superhuman reflexes. 🙁

Actually the scan is from a Jim Lee story!

wolverine8888 Restricted

ya I said keeps up with not that he is as agile. keeping up with in no way means he is more agile it means he can fallow them in there agility which he can and has done. also quessing the attack is only part of dodging u actauly then have to be quick enough to actauly move outa the way.

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also what gambit deflected were not machine gun bullets they were littles bits of enegwry that if im not mistake were either stunners or they took ur powers away. also when has gambit ever done another feat like this? and still that feet does not even compare to wolverines

X-Logan Senior Member

Originally posted by wannabe
Actually the scan is from a Jim Lee story!

And Chris Claremont was the writer...

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Originally posted by wolverine8888
ya I said keeps up with not that he is as agile. keeping up with in no way means he is more agile it means he can fallow them in there agility which he can and has done. also quessing the attack is only part of dodging u actauly then have to be quick enough to actauly move outa the way.

1) Saying:"he keeps up with night crawler and spiderman ALL THE TIME" is not exactly implying that Logan is to be stated behind the other mentioned characters...and it's not the first time that you change your proclamations in unlogical ways during a debate.
2) Yeah, you have to be quick enough to dodge, which i already implied. Yet you don't need superagility for dodging, so these feats are not exactly proof for Wolvie having it.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
also what gambit deflected were not machine gun bullets they were littles bits of enegwry that if im not mistake were either stunners or they took ur powers away.

Even if they were energy blasts, what counts for the quality of this feat is the frequency with which they were shot and the speed with which they traveled...and i highly doubt that energy blasts are slower than bullets.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
and still that feet does not even compare to wolverines

You still didn't give me a reason WHY it doesn't compare!
I mean, Gambit not only protected himself from the shots with his staff, he even directed them back at Forge!!!

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Originally posted by X-Logan
And Chris Claremont was the writer...

😕 Oh...well then...
But does that invalidate the feat or the fact that Gambit is one of the most agile X-Men ever?

botcherby Senior Member

Spiderman can't do much right now 😛

Morlun kicks everyone's butt combined 😛

Disappear Senior Member

anyone else notice how wolverine8888 concedes that logan's got less agility than nightcrawler, who has PEAK HUMAN agility, but won't concede another with the same level of agility can top him? moira mactaggert ran a study on nightcrawler, and determined that kurt's agility doesn't stem from an automatic upgrade from a physical mutation, but from years of work. "a perfect human specimen," i believe is the term...

i think that means your argument loses, of your own admission.

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in any stat book and kurt hims elf has stated that his agility coems from his mutation. also dodging out of spidermans attacks would imply wolverine would have to ahve superhuman reflexes and agility and keep at the same pace as spiderman. also when spiderman is going throught the city on his webs u see wolverine right next to him jumping from biulding to building do u know how fast wolverine would have to be moving far quickering then gambit can i can tell u that. also thsi pic is a betetr feat the gmabit deflecting a few shots it has wolverine actauly cutting a dart from a gun at piont blank to pieces

gambit11111111 Senior Member

gambit nocturne pyslocke then toss up between nightcrawler and havok havok has that side to side thing going on he can be fast at times!?!