Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is a spirit or something of the sort, he has mystical tracking ability and can turn intangible (or can make himself tangible?) and can sever the body parts of anyone that passes through him if he wishes. He uses some mystical guns that downed Wolverine (Wolverine said he never felt anything like it). He can sense evil and needs to punish guilty people and I believe he refered to himself as redemption. I don't think he can even be hurt Wolverine managed to sever his arm while he was holding Beast... Shiver Man just picked it up like nothing happened. He apparently made short work of amped up Weapon X Sabs also.
Ummm so what happened to him? Wolvie cut off his arm, and? Did he put it back on or something? Did it grow back?
Originally posted by CreshoskWhat Wolverine "feels" is irrelevant when the observer can easily discriminate between X-Men (as a whole) enemies and a subset that are also additionally individual character enemies.
Only if he considers them enemies.
Originally posted by Creshosk😬 Did you not see my easily discernible examples of the contrary? Here's another: Fitzroy was an X-Men enemy but he was also one of Bishop's personal enemies.
You're sure as hell implying it.
Implying that too.
Originally posted by CreshoskBut I wouldn't because that would just be idiotic when neither personally antagonise each other. Shadow King... a Nightcrawler Rogue?
You could if Nightcrawler considers him an enemy.
Originally posted by CreshoskSo hating someone is enough to make them your personal villain? So if Wolverine for some reason hated Trish Tilby, but Trish and Wolverine had never fought each other one on one, or they've never fought at all, Trish would be a Wolverine villain? Trish Tilby: Wolverine Rogue.
Fact is Wolverine hates Hulk, and Magneto.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotypu're kidding right?
What Wolverine "feels" is irrelevant when the observer can easily discriminate between X-Men (as a whole) enemies and a subset that are also additionally individual character enemies.
Wolverine traingin in the danger room to kill magneto isn't an indication of hatred?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThen obviously they don't hate each other enough, they don't consider them to be personal enemies.
😬 Did you not see my easily discernible examples of the contrary? Here's another: Fitzroy was an X-Men enemy but he was also one of Bishop's personal enemies.
But I wouldn't because that would just be idiotic when neither personally antagonise each other. Shadow King... a Nightcrawler Rogue?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNow you're intentionally being dense. If they don't attack each other then they obviously don't hate eachother enough
So hating someone is enough to make them your personal villain? So if Wolverine for some reason hated Trish Tilby, but Trish and Wolverine had never fought each other one on one, or they've never fought at all, Trish would be a Wolverine villain? Trish Tilby: Wolverine Rogue.
Tell me that your analogy holds up to people that I would consider personal enemies of Wolverine:
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=040916161417
Now why the hell did they fight? a "casual observer" can see that the fight was brainless, Hulk sidetracked from his mission to attack wolverine? 😬
Wolverine, you can read the dialouge and tell that he WANTED to fight the hulk, he got more into it.
Now tell me that Hulk doesn't personally consider Wolverine an enemy.
Tell me the same is also true of wolverine.
Now why aren't they "villians" of each other?
hell wolverine's very first appearence was as a hulk villian. Before that he had no purpose, he had no reason because it did't exist.
Then there he is as a hulk villian, attacking the hulk.
When are you no longer a villian of a given character? When you are revealed to also be a good guy? 😬
Seriously. Your're strawmaning with you examples.
I absolutly love the speech:
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/attachments/040916161417/Logan%20vs%20Fixit6.jpg
Originally posted by CreshoskAs clarified by Twister, and as I originally thought the thread is about personal rogues, Magneto is not Wolverine's personal rogue.
ypu're kidding right?Wolverine traingin in the danger room to kill magneto isn't an indication of hatred?
Then obviously they don't hate each other enough, they don't consider them to be personal enemies.
Now you're intentionally being dense. If they don't attack each other then they obviously don't hate eachother enough
Tell me that your analogy holds up to people that I would consider personal enemies of Wolverine:
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=040916161417Now why the hell did they fight? a "casual observer" can see that the fight was brainless, Hulk sidetracked from his mission to attack wolverine? 😬
Wolverine, you can read the dialouge and tell that he WANTED to fight the hulk, he got more into it.Now tell me that Hulk doesn't personally consider Wolverine an enemy.
Tell me the same is also true of wolverine.Now why aren't they "villians" of each other?
hell wolverine's very first appearence was as a hulk villian. Before that he had no purpose, he had no reason because it did't exist.
Then there he is as a hulk villian, attacking the hulk.
When are you no longer a villian of a given character? When you are revealed to also be a good guy? 😬
Seriously. Your're strawmaning with you examples.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So what would a personal rogue constitute as?
Is it possible to define? It's more of a rival, that one fights for purely personal reasons. Take Hitler. No one really likes Hitler anymore. Would you call Hitler a personal enemy though? Hell no. America is your "team". Pretty much everyone in America would kill Hitler if they could, but none would have built a personal grudge against him.
Take the JLA. Is Darkseid a personal enemy of Booster Gold? Is Lex Luthor a personal enemy of Red Tornado? Not a chance.
Magneto is a Xavier villain, and no one else's. Since Xavier heads the X Men, and Magneto constantly threatens the ideals of the X Men, it makes sense that none of them would really like him. However, is it really a personal hatred for any of them outside Xavier? Nope.
Originally posted by DizzleYou know recently Mags and Chuck were pals again...
Is it possible to define? It's more of a rival, that one fights for purely personal reasons. Take Hitler. No one really likes Hitler anymore. Would you call Hitler a personal enemy though? Hell no. America is your "team". Pretty much everyone in America would kill Hitler if they could, but none would have built a personal grudge against him.Take the JLA. Is Darkseid a personal enemy of Booster Gold? Is Lex Luthor a personal enemy of Red Tornado? Not a chance.
Magneto is a Xavier villain, and no one else's. Since Xavier heads the X Men, and Magneto constantly threatens the ideals of the X Men, it makes sense that none of them would really like him. However, is it really a personal hatred for any of them outside Xavier? Nope.
Originally posted by DizzleThey've never really officially stopped being friends.... Xavier will always be the greatest friend Magneto's had and vice versa... they're just also bitter adversaries... it's a very strange relationship.
Still rivals though. If anyone thinks that friendship is going to last... See LP's sig.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotGood luck, there practically isn't a reoccuring villian that has a personal history of repeated fights with that given character. She's a sidekick to Wolverine. Closest she'd get is M/penence's personal villian Emplate.
Bishop = Fitzroy
Wolverine = Deathstrike, Sabretooth
Storm = Shadow King, Emma Frost
Cyclops = Possibly Sinister but I'm iffy about this one.I'm trying to think of one for Jubilee because that will probably best illustrate to you what IMO is a personal rogue.
And Emma frost is A rouge for storm?
Funny I wouldn't consider her a villian of either the X-men or anyone on it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotWell I certainly wouldn't ever say that any character is solely a rogue to any one character and not allowed to be a rouge to another.
What do you consider a personal rogue?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They've never really officially stopped being friends.... Xavier will always be the greatest friend Magneto's had and vice versa... they're just also bitter adversaries... it's a very strange relationship.
Meh, whatever. Rivals describes it well enough for me. Friends, with a clear line drawn between them. Point is, Magneto is definitely not mainly a Wolverine villain.
A rogue isn't just an enemy. You can be a rogue to more than one person, but that's rare. Kingpin is a good example. He began as a Spiderman villain, but eventually shifted towards Daredevil. He has a history with both, and so is probably a rogue of both. Mags is only Wolverine's enemy because he is an X Man. The rivalry between him and Xavier is much deeper than that.
Oh yeah, and it's "Rogue", not "Rouge". Rouge is like... makeup.
Originally posted by CreshoskHmm... when she was a villain she was an X-Men villain and she often went after Storm specifically, her first appearance she kidnapped three X-Men but only tried to subvert Storm's mind, she tried to steal Storm's body not long after as well.
Good luck, there practically isn't a reoccuring villian that has a personal history of repeated fights with that given character. She's a sidekick to Wolverine. Closest she'd get is M/penence's personal villian Emplate.And Emma frost is A rouge for storm?
Funny I wouldn't consider her a villian of either the X-men or anyone on it.
Originally posted by CreshoskAnd I wouldn't either, Shadow King = Storm and Xavier. But usually it's pretty easy to discern if a character is a personal rogue.
Well I certainly wouldn't ever say that any character is solely a rogue to any one character and not allowed to be a rouge to another.
