Wolverine's villains Vs Spidermans

Originally posted by jrodslam
Rival, rogue/villain and enemy are three different things.

Namor's rivals are Hulk, Reed, Thing. He's on the same team with Hulk, yet they are always going at it. Trying to prove who is strongest. Theyve fought many times. Sometimes long, sometimes short battles. Yet Hulk considers "Fish-Man" a friend. Namor has also vowed to crush both Reed and Thing, yet doesnt because of Sue. Thus they have remained allies over the years.

Namors villains/rogues are Tigershark, Attuma, Orca, Warlord Krang.

Hes fought Dr.Doom a few times but Dr.Doom wouldnt be considered a Namor rogue. Just an enemy. Theyve even teamed up on a couple of occasions. Theres not much love between the two. However if Namor saw Doom on the street, he wouldnt go and attack him like he would Attuma or Krang, or Llyra.

Namor has also fought Daredevil and Ironman a couple of times. Does that mean Daredevil and Ironman are Namor villains? No. Are they his enemies? No. Usually theyve fought due to a misunderstanding.

With that said, theres no doubt that Magneto would be/is a enemy of Wolverine. However he is not a Wolverine villain/rogue.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
All the X-Men have animosity towards Magneto as he has fought and hurt all of them at various times in various ways. His intentions, machinations and actions have always been antagonistic of Xavier and the X-Men as a whole. He does not personally antagonise Wolverine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't consider Cassandra Nova, Emma's personal rogue (also why do you keep writing "rouge"😉.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Cassandra Nova is Xavier's rogue, she spawned from him, all her plans were orchestrated to personally antagonise him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Part of the point of the post was to point back to Hulk.

Because I haven't learned a pnemonic device to keep those two words seperate. Their both effin French which is notorious for additional needless letters.

And yet it can't be shared. . . sure the X-men have to share their baddies with him(Shadow king), but he's selfish and won't share with individual x-men, has to be all of them or nothing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not someone as archetypal as Magneto. He is the epitome of X-Men villains, if he's to be considered Wolverine's personal rogue then he might as well be considered the personal rogue of every single other X-Man.

Who has magneto personally offended in the same vein that he has Wolverine?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not sure how well that hoplds up. Certainly not collosus, who would have no reason to personally hate him, that stint as an acolyte counts heavily against that notion.

Who has magneto personally offended in the same vein that he has Wolverine?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The entire Marvel Universe as of HoM...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Thought wanda sorta retconned him out and only the astonishing crew remember HoM. Wolverine among them still has a leg up on personal hatred.

I would say a lot of the time the rogue is usually the one that creates the enmity. The rogue makes it clear that they are the rogue.
Deathstrike => Wolverine
Shadow King => Storm

Also Polaris hates the nurse (whose name I forget) for stealing Havok, doesn't make the nurse a Polaris villain.

With something like Xavier and Magneto it's based on a clash of ideology. With some others it's usually established by one on one face offs due to enmity.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Xavier doesn't hate Magneto. The rogue is usually the one that creates the enmity.

Deathstrike => Wolverine
Shadow King => Storm

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Also Polaris hates the nurse (whose name I forget) for stealing Havok, doesn't make the nurse a Polaris villain.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
With something like Xavier and Magneto it's based on a clash of ideology. With some others it's usually established by one on one face offs due to enmity.

And again, all of which describes Hulk and Wolverine.

I wonder if its even possible to describe a rogue in such a way as to exclude the relationship tween Hulk and Wolvie, but include any other characters previously mentioned.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I would say a lot of the time the rogue is usually the one that creates the enmity. The rogue makes it clear that they are the rogue.
Deathstrike => Wolverine
Shadow King => Storm

Also Polaris hates the nurse (whose name I forget) for stealing Havok, doesn't make the nurse a Polaris villain.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not someone as archetypal as Magneto. He is the epitome of X-Men villains, if he's to be considered Wolverine's personal rogue then he might as well be considered the personal rogue of every single other X-Man.

again not EVERY member of the x-men has had a relationship that's as personal as the one that exists between wolvie and mags. The direct effects that their actions have on eachother is far more substantial than the consequences that the rest of the x-men suffer/offer.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The entire Marvel Universe as of HoM...

cresh asked you who "personally". I think it's safe to assume you're not allowing yourself to capture the concept we're trying to present to you...

Originally posted by Creshosk
There is an interesting rule to spring up.

Another observation being that in many cases a hero tends to personally fight his or her rogue's one on one.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Strawmanning.

Animosity alone does not equate to someone being someone elses specific rogue.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And again, all of which describes Hulk and Wolverine.

I wonder if its even possible to describe a rogue in such a way as to exclude the relationship tween Hulk and Wolvie, but include any other characters previously mentioned.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Also Polaris hates the nurse (whose name I forget) for stealing Havok, doesn't make the nurse a Polaris villain.

not an accurate comparison either...

now you add in about 3-14 grudge matches between the two and now we're talkin.

Originally posted by jinzin
not an accurate comparison either...

now you add in about 3-14 grudge matches between the two and now we're talkin.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Another observation being that in many cases a hero tends to personally fight his or her rogue's one on one.
Nice little phrases like "ad hominem", "strawmanning", and "ad populum" tend to spring up when you want to ignore the point I was trying to convey with an albeit exaggerated example.

"exaggerated example", exactly..

if you're going to make a point of comparison, try to find the most accurate example to assert your point. By using an exagerated example, your point's automatically altered or the validity of said example means nothing in light of the debate at hand. When this happens the points divert from the topic and cresh replies with those to point that out...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are you talking about Magneto?

magneto and hulk actually...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Firstly, I edited to clarify what I meant. Secondly, not a rule, just an observation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Another observation being that in many cases a hero tends to personally fight his or her rogue's one on one.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nice little phrases like "ad hominem", "strawmanning", and "ad populum" tend to spring up when you want to ignore the point I was trying to convey with an albeit exaggerated example.

ad populem is tyring to use opinion as fact

As hiominem is using an insult as an argument.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Animosity alone does not equate to someone being someone elses specific rogue.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And again: irrelevant whilst discussing Magneto. I haven't been arguing against Hulk, I initially didn't consider him one, I've revised and have yet to make a judgement call of my opinion on that.

Originally posted by jinzin
magneto and hulk actually...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😑 Matches between the master of magnetism and a mutant with metal laced bones...?

Being able to straight up beat the rogue shouldn't be a requirment.

Otherwise you can pretty much remove venom and carnage from Spiderman's repitoire, among others.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😑 Matches between the master of magnetism and a mutant with metal laced bones...?

🤨

dude we've seen wolverine and magneto have what 5, 6 "fights" or at the least, VERY SUBSTANTIAL CONFRONTATIONS with one another...

those confrontations are the basis for using magneto as a wolvie villain, you know that so why are you confused?