OK, Burton is a moron when it comes to Batman...

Originally posted by Mr Parker
you mean your just NOW coming back to this thread to post? isnt it a little late for that? 🙄 MAN-SPIDER Two had some fun moments in it thats true,but again they are a disgrace to the comicbooks like Burtons movies are to Batman.Oh and MAN-SPIDER ONE was just as much of a joke as MAN-SPIDER 3 was. 😄 That Goblin costume was a joke and runied Defoes great performance.Your user name says it all that you are objective when it comes to how bad the Burton movies are,but you wont take the blinders off when it comes to the Man-Spider movies.

again I dont know WHY you are bringing this topic back NOW when this discussion finished three months ago. 🙄

Whoa now that was a fast reply O_O

No, I disagree. Burton never cared about Batman or the fans to begin with. But Raimi did show some passion for Spidey.

I agree that the Goblin costume sucked. And this account was made by my brother but he never used it so he gave it to me.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
For what it was at the time 1989 i thought batman was a good film at least it took you away from the tv series version. and at the time in 1989 that batmobile rocked!! but they just can't compare to batman begins and the dark knight. if the dark knight was just a cop movie it would of won best picture. but the academy members are idiots.

Very well said.

I'm not spidermanrocks at the moment. I'm his older brother. He allowed me to use this account just this once to leave this message.
There is not much to say about me. I have a YouTube account that I use to defend the normal people from trolls and biased fanboys. And YouTube is full of these trolls and fanboys that bash on peoples' opinions. The fanboys that I am dealing with this summer are Tim Burton fanboys who claim that Burton's films are closer to the comics than Nolan's films by a lot (and they never read comics which makes them kinda biased) and also dedicate their time to picking on any Batman fan that sees Nolan as the superior director by telling them "You're not a true Batman fan" or "You don't respect true cinema if you like The Dark Knight" (yes, I actually saw someone say that. And I have the proof as well).
It's kinda funny how they say that when they're the ones who haven't read comics. Most of them still think that the Joker killed Bruce's parents.

Although there aren't a lot of them on these forums, YouTube is engulfed by them.

What I do on YouTube is defend the victims of these annoying trolls by debating with them hardcore and using facts against their lies. And I have to say that I am really impressed by Mr. Parker's way of expressing his opinion and listing facts to back him up as well (except when he is discussing about Spider-Man. LOL) He is the type of person who pisses off the opponent of a debate. And if he uses all of that against the biased Burton fanboys that I encounter everyday, then their trolling level will decrease.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
Whoa now that was a fast reply O_O

No, I disagree. Burton never cared about Batman or the fans to begin with. But Raimi did show some passion for Spidey.

I agree that the Goblin costume sucked. And this account was made by my brother but he never used it so he gave it to me.

Raimi is a yes man.He did whatever those sony idiots asked him when making the movie.He is a wuss.He is not brave like Nolan is.The producers as warners were trying to tell him how to make the movie as well but unlike Rami he had guts and he stood up to them and said to them-I am not going to make the movie the way you want me to make it,I will make this movie the way "I" want to make it.

till you can accept the truth that the man-spider movies are a disgrace to the comicbooks like Burtons batman movies are,your a sellout to spidey and need to change your user name to man-spider rocks. 😄 cause you support those man-spider movies.man spider two is the ONLY one thats decent at all and thats because it had outstanding special effects and doc ock was a much better villian but it was a joke as well with things like that tune RAINDROPS KEEP FALLING ON MY HEAD. same old kiddie stuff form the first film.

the fact that sony is already starting to redo the spiderman series is not a good sign.I dont expect it will be any different than any of those other god awful man-spider movies.we FINALLY got a great batman movie thanks to NOLAN,They should just stop making these movies for about 10 years and then recruit Nolan to restart the movies.THEN we would get a great spiderman movie as well.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
I'm not spidermanrocks at the moment. I'm his older brother. He allowed me to use this account just this once to leave this message.
There is not much to say about me. I have a YouTube account that I use to defend the normal people from trolls and biased fanboys. And YouTube is full of these trolls and fanboys that bash on peoples' opinions. The fanboys that I am dealing with this summer are Tim Burton fanboys who claim that Burton's films are closer to the comics than Nolan's films by a lot (and they never read comics which makes them kinda biased) and also dedicate their time to picking on any Batman fan that sees Nolan as the superior director by telling them "You're not a true Batman fan" or "You don't respect true cinema if you like The Dark Knight" (yes, I actually saw someone say that. And I have the proof as well).
It's kinda funny how they say that when they're the ones who haven't read comics. Most of them still think that the Joker killed Bruce's parents.

Although there aren't a lot of them on these forums, YouTube is engulfed by them.

What I do on YouTube is defend the victims of these annoying trolls by debating with them hardcore and using facts against their lies. And I have to say that I am really impressed by Mr. Parker's way of expressing his opinion and listing facts to back him up as well (except when he is discussing about Spider-Man. LOL) He is the type of person who pisses off the opponent of a debate. And if he uses all of that against the biased Burton fanboys that I encounter everyday, then their trolling level will decrease.

Yeah thats whats funny about these blind Burton worshippers of the Batman movies is like you said,some of them are so stupid,they still think the joker killed his parents. 😆 matter of fact,I remember when Batman Begins came out,i heard people in the audience saying-thats not right,the joker killed his parents. 🙄 I had to educate them after the movie was over the TRUE facts that The Joker did not kill his parents and how Burtons Batman movies were not accurate at all.About the only thing he did right and better than Nolan was the look of the batmobile and the music and naw it would not do any good if I came there at that site to educate those trolls on how Burtons Batman movies rape to death the comics.They are as hopeless as you and Manspiderrocks are that the Man-Spider movies disgraced the spiderman comics just as much as Burtons Batman movies did with Batman.

If those Burton lovers of those batman movies are being trolls saying things like the joker killed his parents in the batman comics and all that,well you and spiderman rocks are doing the exact same thing as they are ignoring the eviddence and facts how the man-spider movies betrayed the spiderman comics.The goblin costume,no chemical webbing,peter knowing mary jane since grade school,the list goes on and on.I schooled you right there BIG TIME how those movies betrayed the spiderman comics just like Burtons Batman movies destroy the integrity of the batman comics.No difference,deal with it. Naw it wouldnt decrease if I were there,they would be just as stubborn as you two are about the Man-Spider movies.But thanks for the compliment anyways. 😉

Originally posted by darthmaul1
For what it was at the time 1989 i thought batman was a good film at least it took you away from the tv series version. and at the time in 1989 that batmobile rocked!! but they just can't compare to batman begins and the dark knight. if the dark knight was just a cop movie it would of won best picture. but the academy members are idiots.

Just about everywhere I went in school back then,the majority of my classmates thought the same thing I did.they were all saying-Man Batman sucked.That movie should have been called The Joker.He had the majority of the screentime in it.Michael Keaton was totally miscast in that role. "which he was,he did not even come close to looking the part." This movie was boring as hell. I liked the tv show a lot better. Just about everywhere I went I heard people say those comments.its just these internet comicbook geeks that are like Burton and Keaton worshippers will defend those horrible movies to no end no matter how much evidence and facts you give them that the movies betrayed and raped to death the comics. 🙄

there used to be a girl poster that came on here and was one of those fanatics that was too stupid that she was just like that.Refused to see how Burtons movies betrayed his character and raped to death the comics.thank god she's gone and no loner posting here anymore.she called herself selina and bruce.a Burton/Keaton worshipper to no end who could not be reasoned with.Kinda like manspider rocks is when it comes to the manspider movies. 😄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Raimi is a yes man.He did whatever those sony idiots asked him when making the movie.He is a wuss.He is not brave like Nolan is.The producers as warners were trying to tell him how to make the movie as well but unlike Rami he had guts and he stood up to them and said to them-I am not going to make the movie the way you want me to make it,I will make this movie the way "I" want to make it.

Being a yes man isn't such a bad thing. Warner Bros also wanted Burton to be a yes man. And do you know what Burton said?

"I am not going to make the movie the way you want me to make it,I will make this movie the way I want to make it."

Pretty much.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
till you can accept the truth that the man-spider movies are a disgrace to the comicbooks like Burtons batman movies are,your a sellout to spidey and need to change your user name to man-spider rocks. 😄 cause you support those man-spider movies.man spider two is the ONLY one thats decent at all and thats because it had outstanding special effects and doc ock was a much better villian but it was a joke as well with things like that tune RAINDROPS KEEP FALLING ON MY HEAD. same old kiddie stuff form the first film.

I enjoy the Spidey movies (except SM3) but I don't think they're epic masterpieces. They were ok IMO.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Just about everywhere I went in school back then,the majority of my classmates thought the same thing I did.they were all saying-Man Batman sucked.That movie should have been called The Joker.He had the majority of the screentime in it.Michael Keaton was totally miscast in that role. "which he was,he did not even come close to looking the part." This movie was boring as hell. I liked the tv show a lot better. Just about everywhere I went I heard people say those comments.its just these internet comicbook geeks that are like Burton and Keaton worshippers will defend those horrible movies to no end no matter how much evidence and facts you give them that the movies betrayed and raped to death the comics. 🙄

there used to be a girl poster that came on here and was one of those fanatics that was too stupid that she was just like that.Refused to see how Burtons movies betrayed his character and raped to death the comics.thank god she's gone and no loner posting here anymore.she called herself selina and bruce.a Burton/Keaton worshipper to no end who could not be reasoned with.Kinda like manspider rocks is when it comes to the manspider movies. 😄

I don't worship the Spidey movies. I do think they're ok but nowhere near as great as people say they are.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
I enjoy the Spidey movies (except SM3) but I don't think they're epic masterpieces. They were ok IMO.

you mean the man-spidey movies.lol.see your doing what many supposed spidey fans do with man-spider one.because a spiderman movie was FINALLY made and finally brought to the big screen ,your just happy about that and willing to settle for mediocrocy. otherwise you would see the first one is not that much better than the last one.Thats the same with the Burton Batman fans.They would always say things like-Their great.Batman is dark in the comics just like he was in that movie.He wasnt comical like that stupid 60's show.I love Burtons Batman movies.

Those supposed Batman fans,they were just "settling" for mediocracy,they were just happy a Batman movie that was serious was brought to the big screen.thats all they cared about,they did not care that Burton raped to death the source material. and thats what Raimi did and thats what many man-spider fans were doing,was not caring that he raped to death the source material and just settling for mediocracy which is really sad.

Spidermanrocks's brother is speaking at the moment.

Mr. Parker, do you know why everyone thought the Joker killed Batman's parents? Because the Burton fanboys have spread the idea of Burton's films being closer to the comics to the public's mind.

Why do you think that I debate with Burton fanboys? I know that they will never stop. But by debating with them, I will stop them from spreading the idea of Burton's films being closer to the comics to young generations and non comic readers. Because if non comic readers and young generations will watch those videos and check all the comments of Burton fanboys going on about facts from the comics that never happened in the comics, those people will live with the idea that the Burton fans are right.

But if people like me step in there and give facts from the comics to why they're wrong, young generations and the general public will not be fooled by the Burton fanboys that much.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
I don't worship the Spidey movies. I do think they're ok but nowhere near as great as people say they are.

well thats good to hear.some people will ignorantly say-they are the best comicbook movies ever.even say-best movies ever. 😆 those people are the trolls your brother was talking about,ones that never read the comicbooks obviously.otherwise they would know how they raped to death the comicbook.the 90's cartoon was a HUNDRED times better than the movies.much more loyal to the comicbook.it wasnt a 100% accurate,no comicbook movie ever is.But at least it did not rape to death his character and gave him the mechs which is CRUCIAL to his character.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
you mean the man-spidey movies.lol.see your doing what many supposed spidey fans do with man-spider one.because a spiderman movie was FINALLY made and finally brought to the big screen ,your just happy about that and willing to settle for mediocrocy. otherwise you would see the first one is not that much better than the last one.Thats the same with the Burton Batman fans.They would always say things like-Their great.Batman is dark in the comics just like he was in that movie.He wasnt comical like that stupid 60's show.I love Burtons Batman movies.

Those supposed Batman fans,they were just "settling" for mediocracy,they were just happy a Batman movie that was serious was brought to the big screen.thats all they cared about,they did not care that Burton raped to death the source material. and thats what Raimi did and thats what many man-spider fans were doing,was not caring that he raped to death the source material and just settling for mediocracy which is really sad.

That's why I was in favor of a reboot. I said for many years that Raimi's flicks were ok but that we needed a serious reboot at some point.

Raimi gave us fun flicks that we enjoyed. But now it's time to move on and get serious with the reboot.

BTW right now, spidermanrocks is speaking.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
Being a yes man isn't such a bad thing. Warner Bros also wanted Burton to be a yes man. And do you know what Burton said?

"I am not going to make the movie the way you want me to make it,I will make this movie the way I want to make it."

Pretty much.

the problem with Burton is he even ADMITTED he never read more than a few of the batman comics. 😆 so he was obviously the wrong guy from the beginning. 😆 its funny I Notice on the NET,that I am in the minority usually when I say Batman Forever is my favorite Batman movie of the burton schumacher batman films and thats because I liked Val Kilmer a lot better as bruce wayne.He at least LOOKED the part and the movie was all about batman for once instead of the viiiains.But in real life,most people I talk to say the same thing ,that they liked Forever the best as well.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
That's why I was in favor of a reboot. I said for many years that Raimi's flicks were ok but that we needed a serious reboot at some point.

Raimi gave us fun flicks that we enjoyed. But now it's time to move on and get serious with the reboot.

BTW right now, spidermanrocks is speaking.

well some people enjoyed anyways.I try as hell to try and forget the man-spider flicks.I want to see SPIDER-MAN on the screen.so far the only character we have seen so far is this phony neautered Man-Spider version of sonys on the screen. 😠 I'll take the 90's cartoon anyday of the year over those disgraceful films. I hope to hell this time they get it right and give him the mechanical shooters.I know sony has heard the outcrys from the fans how they hated the organics and you would think,that they would have learned from their lesson by now.Like I have said before,the The fact that they are doing it so soon right now is what worrys me and that they are casting a british actor in the role also.Because of that,I just dont have any hopes of it being that much better.many people say-thats so stupid to reboot it all over again.and that they hate it that their going to start all over again with a new origin story. They are so ignorant because better to have it start all over again with the origin story to get it RIGHT this time than to continue on in the direction they were headed with Raimi and company. 🙄

The other thing that i am not optimistic about and why i dont think it will be any different than before is they are brining in another director who has never done anything in his whole life to reboot it. 😠 I mean whats Mark Webb ever done? nothing. I knew Raimi was wrong from the very beginning since he was a yes man,and Webb will be as well im sure cause he is also a nobody as well. 😠

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
Spidermanrocks's brother is speaking at the moment.

Mr. Parker, do you know why everyone thought the Joker killed Batman's parents? Because the Burton fanboys have spread the idea of Burton's films being closer to the comics to the public's mind.

Why do you think that I debate with Burton fanboys? I know that they will never stop. But by debating with them, I will stop them from spreading the idea of Burton's films being closer to the comics to young generations and non comic readers. Because if non comic readers and young generations will watch those videos and check all the comments of Burton fanboys going on about facts from the comics that never happened in the comics, those people will live with the idea that the Burton fans are right.

But if people like me step in there and give facts from the comics to why they're wrong, young generations and the general public will not be fooled by the Burton fanboys that much.

oh i see.then keep up the good work. 👆

This guy did a great job on explaining why the "he killed in the early comics" thing is not an excuse for Batman to kill in Burton's films:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMlRa7ySWio

Yet Nolan's Batman can leave Ras on a train to die, even through the whole movie he preaches (even to Ras himself) that no one is beyond saving. If Batman killed Penguin and Joker, then he also killed Ras Al Ghul and Two-Face. Not to mention the fake Ras and all the ninjas in the monastery...

Burton's Batman only killed once. The Axis Chemical scene (when he destroyed the supply of toxins with the bomb) And even then, I don't think he WANTED to kill those guys. He was trying to stop the flow of chemicals into the city. Was it extreme? Hell yeah, but Batman is an extreme measure, himself. He needed to do SOMETHING. Every other time is left very ambiguous, leaving it up to interpretation.

-Joker himself: Yes, he said he was going to, but, in reality, he didn't. He tied his leg to a gargoyle, a gargoyle that wasn't going to budge until Joker tried to escape. He easily could have let go of the ladder, and he'd still be alive at the end of the movie. Batman and Vicki would have fallen, been saved by a Batrope in the knick of time, and the cops would have apprehended Joker before Batman could do anything. And by that time, I think Bruce would have realized he didn't need to kill him, anyway. He'd have been locked away. Justice would have been served. It's not like he pulled out a gun and killed him. So Joker's death really isn't Batman's fault, it's Joker's own fault.

-The Fire Breather: There was snow everywhere. There is no proof that the person died, and again, they could just stop, drop, and roll. Was it an extreme measure? Yeah, but Batman himself is an extreme measure. This guy didn't die.

-The Strongman: I personally believe it was a fake bomb. When it goes off, you can see smoke and a little confetti coming out of the hole. And not to mention they were a gang of circus performers and clowns. Is it so difficult to believe that the bomb was not real, since it was strapped to one of them and they were a gang with a circus motif? It easily could have just been theatrics. Again, no actual proof of death, meaning it's up for interpretation (which is something Burton loves to do with his films, make the watcher decide what certain things mean)

-The Penguin: Batman tricked him with the remote control, but I don't think his reason was to kill Penguin. I think he planned to use the bats to stun him (like they were used in Batman Begins). It ended up being fatal because of where the two were positioned. If Penguin wasn't so close to the window, he would not have died, I can guarantee that.

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