Originally posted by capt it up
IT not PIS, wolverien done it more then once
Wolverine's durability is very uncertain. Sometimes he takes punches from Hulk easilly and sometimes gets KOed by single hit. Like when in ult x-men Jean threw him with TK, he hit the rock and was knocked unconsious.
And what kind of proofs do you want to believe that Venom could kill Logan? It's already obvious. You are the one who must bring proofs that Wolverine stands a chance against Eddie.
Originally posted by soleran30
The irony in your statment.................thats exactly why Wolverine fights with guys like Venom, Spiderman, Hulk, Juggernaut, Wendigo, Namor , Thing last more then one panel.Wolverine isn't a bad character however against characters such as those guys the first punch should send him flying for miles. Just think about it before you tell me how great a fighter Wolverine is
Wolverine weighs 300lbs with adamantium
Venom is lets say Class 30 (whatever really.)
2000lbs=one ton Venom can lift 60,000 lbs....................really what the hell is a 300lb man gonna do?
"this!"... 😕
Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
Ahem.
As much as I like Wolverine, he has virtually no way of hurting Venom. People claim that Venom is a class 100 killer, but he jobs his way to it. Venom is a class 100 killer who is all skill and has the proper powers to do it. Even if Wolverine stabbed Venom, Venom would just laugh and suffocate him with the symbiote.
dude.. stack up numerically how many class 100's wolverine's thrown down with compared to the 3 venom has...
wolverine's WAYYYY more experienced in taking down class 100's not a good pro-venom argument imo.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Assuming that both characters fight to the best of their abilities then Venom should win a clear majority. All he has to do is restrain Wolverine's arms with his symbiote and the fight is over. Now give Wolverine a flame thrower or some sonic grenades and you might have a competitive fight, but as it stands Wolverine is just too one dimensional to win.
not really.. I mean while I agree that were venom to use all of his powers at their best then yeah he would burb wolverine... but CIS applies to these fights and if one of venom's major CIS factors is that he doesn't use all his abilities all that often. well....
Give something that isn't jobbing. Neither Spider-Man nor Venom should lose.
http://www.superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=105966
Look at the scans on that site. Venom wouldn't be hurt by Wolverine.
Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
What's a non fight? That's not even close to anything in the english language. Nobody here is saying Wolverine is a bad character. I'm a big fan of his. However, I know when he's outclassed.What you're implying is that every time Wolverine has been beaten, he wasn't fighting at all. Well, Wolverine gets beaten all the time.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/wolverine18006.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/752/026gb9gr.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men-109_13and15.jpgI guess those were "non fights" too. I guess every time Logan loses, it's "a non fight." Unless you can really give any evidence of Logan being able to defeat Venom, then you really don't have an argument.
As if you do?
look, for one you're using evidence that's inconsistant with logan's character and what he is capible of doing a majority of the time... Can he be KOed by a deer? yeah... But does that mean that it's likely to happen? hell..........no...
Then you're second proof IS A NON-FIGHT... wolverine makes a sarcastic remark and a guy picks him up (in spite of wolverine's lack of hostility...) and chucks him.. hell even when wolverine came back he wasn't hostile...
(and you've only just proved my point about the deer kick being an inconsistant feat..) first you show one feat where he's being knocked out by a deer kick to make him look bad then you use a feat where he's thrown through an unbreakable window out a skyscraper onto a city street where he A, retains conciousness, and B, isn't seriously damaged, for more of the same? 🤨
you practically just contradicted yourself...
as far as vindicator is concerned, he was leary of logan,, and logan's durability in the old days was a lot less impressive.. it's actually gotten better over time believe it or not... funny how vindicator hasn't been able to accomplish the same feat since then.. wolverine on the other hand has handed alpha flight's entire collective ass to them a couple of times now.. with and without admantium...
and finally while you've done a good job at failing to make wolverine look bad you've done nothing to show how any of your points mean that VENOM will win this fight...
however don't fret.. the argument's already been made for you... here...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=361360&highlight=misconception
Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
Give something that isn't jobbing. Neither Spider-Man nor Venom should lose.
http://www.superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=105966Look at the scans on that site. Venom wouldn't be hurt by Wolverine.
that's ridiculous.. while venom MAY have an incredible resistance to brute, concussive, and explosive force he however has NEVER shown tohave the same resistance to piercing weapons... He suffers from the same fate as wonderwoman, in that while he takes class 100 punches with a laugh, he's still able to be pricked by a needle...
one of the bloodpack did it with a sheild edge,
blaze did it with a knife,
and WOLVERINE'S done it with his claws...
so while you may not want to believe it, wolverine CAN and has hurt venom, nuff said....
Originally posted by soleran30
If wolverine is so fast how did Spiderman throw him out of a building? How did he web him up? Yeah thats right because he is faster then wolverine.
or rather you got the jump on a guy who wasn't being hostile towards you....
simple as... everyime spiderman's tried to web logan in an in-fight scenario it hasn't worked.... everytime wolverine's actually been swinging at SM, SM hasn't been able to chuck him...
Originally posted by soleran30
Wolveirne dodging lasers is PIS he isn't anywhere fast enough, dodging bullets he isn't fast enough its PIS...............
ah yes, "i don't like it, it didn't happen".... pffft..
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venom07p193lw.jpg
In that comic, Venom regenerates an arm.
and this is why i have a problem with people's interpretation of the rules....
Originally posted by TheKahn
From the forum rules:"Bloodlust
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise.
It's contradictive... venom can't fight to the best of his ability but still within his personality... think about it... if he used the best of his abilities in every fight, we'd be seeing a lot more spiderman-esq fights out of him and a lot less slugfests.. but that just isn't the case....
Hell why didn't he try to use his invisability, webbing, radar sense, symbiotic tendrils, shields, corrosive saliva, symbiotic nightmares, webbing shields, symbiotic mental control etc etc in his fights with juggernaught, or the ghost rider, or hulk, carnage, demogoblin, morbius, spiderclone, etc etc etc...
perhaps it's because
when venom's
Originally posted by TheKahnhe goes into slugfest mode.....
still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise.
or maybe he's just dumb... but I'm fairly certain that's not the case... 😉
Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venom07p193lw.jpgIn that comic, Venom regenerates an arm.
🤨
your point being?
and actually.. the symbiote regenerates an arm... the symbiote also recognizes wolverine's claws as being a different meathod of attack than any of the bullets, lazers, explosives, he's enountered before... "that's never happened before"
Secondly in that fight wolverine was up against a completely self motivated symbiote.. with no psychological ties or dependency on a host with the exception of needing a body for food, and locomation...
notice in that pick how volverine stabs venom in the back of the head.. had venom been attached to it's host instead of just feeding off one, he would have lost the fight.... plain and simple...
Hell that even goes to show just how quick and agile wolverine is even for a guy like venom.. wolverine was leaping and bounding all over his ass... then got a kill stroke... good thing that wasn't eddie.. that's all I got to say.
Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venom07p193lw.jpgIn that comic, Venom regenerates an arm.
That's simply because Wolverine slashed at the actual symbiote suit rather than at Eddy himself. Venom can be nuetralized if Eddy is taken out inside of it. Wolverine could stab the torso of Venom and get Eddy in the heart thus killing him and then Venom is just a suit. The symbiote suit has a host, so if Wolverine kills the host, the fight is over. So that's one way it could go down, but don't misunderstand me, I think Venom would probably win the majority of the fights if he was bloodlusted.
Originally posted by TheKahn
That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
while it is a viable tactic (capible of being done) for flash to use, it still falls into the problem of being unlikely to take place within his character...
no one is saying venom can't use these meathods of attack.. in fact we're saying just the opposite..
He CAN do all those things I mentioned in the above post.. it's simply that within the means of his character which is a host of CIS, he's not likely to use them.. that's all.
Originally posted by TheKahn
It isn't CIS, it's just writers not using Venom's abilites to their fullest extent just as they do with the Flash.
but with this argument you're practically calling out writing as if the writing has no consequence on the character themselves....
lol.. that simply doesn't work that way...
Originally posted by soleran30
Wolverine is at a loss 9/10 when characters fight to their maximum ability.
Originally posted by soleran30
Wolverine's nominal enhanced strength is moot
Originally posted by soleran30
Wolverine's nominal enhanced speed is moot
Originally posted by soleran30
Wolverine's fighting skills good! WAHOO one
wolverine=good fighter...
yeah it's gonna have an effect on the fight..
Originally posted by soleran30
Venom has webbed up the Hulk.
Originally posted by soleran30
yeah wow Taken Juggs best hits
no... he's going to be stabbing his ass
Originally posted by soleran30
............Beat Spiderman to levels wolverine could only dream of............
lets see... who else has clobbered spiderman without his spider sense? kingpin, jason macendale, daredevil.... all guys who are at completely peak human levels.. yeah.. take his spider sense away from him when up against wolverine and wolverine's going to do the one thing venom's always dreamt of and "ace the sucker"
