Originally posted by janus77
it's because Hulk neither tires nor 'taps out' that I think the confined surroundings suite him well. Superman could get a dozen or so hits in perhaps, but that's not going to be enough to put Hulk down and Hulk's going to be flailing around with his gargantuan fists, smashing into both Thor and Superman. all Hulk needs is to connect with a couple of world busting smacks and Superman is in trouble.also, in-between fighting Thor, Superman may not even have that much time to attempt to strategise against Hulk. in some ways, it's like Superman versus DD, the ideal battle plan for Superman is to fight from a distance, stay out of range etc etc ... every option that the Dome forecloses.
ok, all that said... I do agree that Mindless Hulk isn't a brilliant battle tactician, isn't smart enough to spot a trap etc etc, but I don't think that tactics or strategy can play apart in this kind of scenario, it's all too close up and immediate.
Admittedly I haven't even thought about Thor - because he is the weakest link here and I can't see him matching the other 2. Having said that an temp alliance between Superman & Thor against Hulk is far more likely than any other way when it comes to strategy.
Also Superman is likely to get ALOT more than just a dozen punches in. Superman has claimed more than once to move faster than it takes somone to even think let alone react.
Being close up and immediate doesn't sway the battle in mindless Hulk's favour - who IMO needs time and space to be able to react emotionally first and then physically to the threat infront of him.
Good points however.
Originally posted by h1a8
He was already ridiculously strong at the beginning. So his base was much higher than a normal mindless Hulk. Also, Onslaught allowed him to get even madder. The problem here is that Superman won't allow such a thing as he will hit
Hulk a million times in 1 second (It would probably take only 10 hits to ko Hulk though).I want to see this black hole thing. How did he escape it? Surfer is not more durable than Superman or Thor, I disagree. Surfer has been hurt and koed far too many times for me to agree to that.
Most would agree that it grows exponentially. As proportionally is far too slow (linear in fact). But I can agree it grows proportionally since it says so in his official bios.
No it isn't. Its just 100 tons. The reason it was so high in the Onslaught saga was because he
was made to be very angry in the beginning process and the fact that his anger grew some more as Hulk was being overpowered at first. Onslaught allowed Hulk to get stronger for some odd reason.
Comics aren't that scientific. Characters can lift things all the time without them crumbling under their own weight.
The writer's intention was to show how heavy the helicarrier to Sentry.I disagree that he stalemated genis vell. Why do many take that fight as such? And weak is a relative term.
I think i need to explain this clearly. In d fight against onslught at first he was normal prof hulk and certainly not ridiculously strong at the beginning as u hv stated. however immediately jean grey switched off bruce banner in his mind which FYI is what is normally called mindless hulk he went berserk and stared attacking and taking hits from onsluaght. Where was the time to amp?. He got to the lvl of strength needed to take on onlsaught the instant he went mindless. Him going mindless provided all the amping that was needed for him to take hits from a full powered onsluaght( hits that could stop the juggernaut and send im cross continen). However the hulk goin mindless only gave im enough strength to take on onlsaught physically but not to beat him. During the process of the fight however he became strong enough to destroy onslaughts armour wit one punch.
It seems dat the mindless u are refering to is d old one who took on the avengers team and thor. However i prefer to use the one dat fought onslaught is dis is a more recent depiction of the charcter.
And yes the surfer is more durable dan superman and thor. Based on durability feats he certainly has the edge.
Originally posted by janus77
seriously, why do you persist in addressing me with these demonstrations of your glaring inability to comprehend argument, evidence or proof?I'd recommend you take some lessons in critical thinking somewhere, maybe to a course in philosophy, I'm sure they offer that in high school.
just to address one of your many distortions, misrepresentations and misunderstandings of what I said. I did not ever deny that Hulk gets stronger during a fight, indeed I have often stated that, nor did I allude to any of the feats I referenced as being demonstrative of his "base strength", rather I provided them as illustration and further proof of my assertion that he becomes [b]strong enough
to match whoever he is going to fight, instantly. thereafter, he grows to overpower them.as evidence of this, and your obvious attempts at dissembling, I'll point out again the one example you carefully omit from your babbling response, Hulk's fight with Onslaught.
Hulk going into that fight as a "base 100CL" of the type you envisage, would have been squished by the first blow Onslaught landed upon him, instead he went in knowing he was up against a monster and making himself a monster to rival it. same again with Zom/Strange too. Hulk was TORN THROUGH by Zom/Strange's punches, he healed in a panel, carried on fighting and obviously grew stronger to the point that, at the end, a mere THREE punches from him downed Zom/Strange.anyway, I'll put you on ignore now and leave this as a lesson to you and your ilk, learn to read and comprehend an argument before you shoot your mouth off. [/B]
Why at times people reply h1a8 when he persists with such arguments is beyond me
Originally posted by h1a8
Phantom zone, I think you are tricky. You indeed have a picture of Superman (I think) under your name. But you always seem to argue against him for some strange reason. It also seems you favor Marvel characters over D.C. ones.And to Janus. Yes Hulk's strength can grow to rival anyone elses. But this takes time. Now the thing that seperates Hulk from Superman the most is speed. Speed with sufficient power takes away Hulk's time.
Also Hulk's strength increases during each fight that he has. So you can't list feats and imply that this is Hulk's base strength or a strength he immediately jumped to. For example, when he fought Sentry, Hulk
had already went through the planet hulk saga, the blackbolt saga, the ironman saga, the x-men saga, etc. His strength had plenty of time to grow because of the damages and stress he had endured.With that said, your fallacies are:
1. "Hulk has done X thus his strength is so and so right now."
This is a fallacy since we all know that this strength isn't Hulk's base strength.2. "Hulk's strength [B]will
grow beyond anything in hardly no time."
This is faulty because of the word "will" (should be "can"😉. Since Hulk has done this less than 1 out of 100 times means that this is more statistical than guaranteed. Thus from the entire history of Hulk we must ask, "What is the probability that Hulk's strength grow beyond such and such in X time?".With that said, Superman can literally hit Hulk with at least moon smashing blows more times in one second than anyone can count to in a year . There is no way Hulk will have the time to rival Superman before he is koed. [/B]
Again with this thing of the hulk not having time to rival superman strength lvl. This is indeed one of the most stupid things ive ever read. Mindless hulk was able to get to onslaught lvl of strength immediately banners mind went off Not after a second or two of amping but immediately. Banner knew this would happen and this is why he requested for his mind to be turned off in the first place. During d fight he then grew to lvls above onslught strength but he was strong enough initially to slug it out wit onslaught.
Secondly the idea of hulk accumulating strength over a period of time inorder for him to be able to take on onslaught as just laughable. Before he went mindless the hulks strength lvl was nowhere close to onslaughts but immediuatel banners mind was switched off he was at that lvl, Id like to think that banners mind is switched off in this fight and therefore the lvl he is at should be far above supermans strength lvl