Spiderman Vs Jubilee

Started by Metalmanx8 pages

Originally posted by Dizzle
Once again, exhaustion. Name me one mutant who uses an offensive power and doesn't tire from using it constantly at maximum output.

JUBILEE is going to level a city? Doubt it. Show me some examples of her using that amount of energy.

Not needing to? It's a fight. Spiderman, knowing she can 'splode stuff, is staying out of her range. She pretty much has to go after him.

If she can break down all matter, shouldn't that explosion have vaporized Wolverine, skeleton and all? Hell no!

Did I ever say webs are instant? I did say they were effective, but I never said they were instant. Jubilee fanboy. 🙄

If her face is webbed over, she doesn't really have any means to get them off without blowing up her head, so she'll suffocate and die.

Why WOULD Jubilee just decide, without any indication that Spiderman is near her, to fire off the most powerful attack she has? It's just wasting energy for her.

I meant she'd have to see him, or else she wouldn't fire one off. Unless she's crazy and with the IQ of a 3 year old, she'd have no reason to randomly unload everything she has into an omnidirectional attack, when she has no reason if her target is anywhere near her.

Has Jubilee ever used more than one of these big blasts at a time? Has she ever used a whole lot of fireworks for an extended period of time? Is there any mutant offensive power that doesn't tire the wielder after a relatively short amount of use at full capacity? If there are, then they're rare exceptions. Jubilee Fanboy.

Has Cyclops ever shot himself somewhere besides the inside of his eyelids? Has Havok? Has Dazzler ever hit herself with a light attack? Has Emma had telepathy used on her? Has Storm been hurt by things that would classify as elements of nature? If I'm strawmanning, how are you not a hypocrite?

Mutants aren't all immune to their own powers. Far from it. Jubilee fanboy.

Did I imply anywhere that Spiderman had lightspeed reactions? You're just bashing. If she's choking to death, is Wolverine gonna come in and lend her his amazing skill of holding his breath for weeks on end? 🙄 You were wrong, I was misinterpreted. Jubilee fanboy.

Ever seen the footage of the Wolrd Trade Centers getting attacked? The explosions were nowhere near the size of the buildings, but they ended up on the ground. The explosion does enough damage that the thing falls down, but that does not mean that the explosion is as big as whatever it destroys. Walls can fall down from an explosion without the explosion actually touching them... Spiderman still has a 30 foot vertical. Depending on how far apart they start from each other, he might not even have to go that far. Battlefield conditions and relative starting locations can have a big effect on the entire outcome. How far does jumping 30 feet up translate to horizontally?

Spiderman is no Flash, but his reactions are boosted to 20x that of a normal human. That's without Spider Sense. Precog+20x reflexes means he can predict when she is going to attack, and act before she starts.

By that same token, Jubilee can destroy webs. But faster than Spiderman can shift his grip? I doubt it. Unless you really want to try to prove to me that Jubilee can do anything to even compare to Spiderman in the speed department. Friggin Jubilee fanboy.

Once again, name me some energy projection type mutant powers that don't tire the user when used at maximum output. Havok is done after one big blast. Cyke pretty much is too. Storm is done after holding in an explosion with air, etc etc etc. Jubilee has pulled the omnidirectional blast how many times? Did she do a lot of fighting afterwards? Did she immediately use another 5 or 6 more? Does she even have any stamina feats? For the last time, you've got a very bad case of Jubilee Fanboy.

I think The Blob still edges you out for X Fangirl of the year though. Sorry, better luck next time.

I pretty much completely agree with you. Except for the Summers brothers. They're weird exceptions. For some strange reason, both Scott and Alex can pretty much blast themselves and not be affected at all.

Other than that, yea. You're pretty much right. Elemental attacks can hurt Storm. Telepathy can hurt Emma. And so on and so forth.

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Originally posted by Dizzle
Once again, exhaustion. Name me one mutant who uses an offensive power and doesn't tire from using it constantly at maximum output.
ssorry, not my job to do your legwork for you, you want to prove that her using her power tires her, show me the proof.

Cause I can show you tons of pictures of her using her powers, and never does it show it tireing her.

Originally posted by Dizzle
JUBILEE is going to level a city? Doubt it. Show me some examples of her using that amount of energy.
What the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Not needing to? It's a fight. Spiderman, knowing she can 'splode stuff, is staying out of her range. She pretty much has to go after him.
And she can too, She can destroy his potential hiding places as she approaches them.

Originally posted by Dizzle
If she can break down all matter, shouldn't that explosion have vaporized Wolverine, skeleton and all? Hell no!
Yes adamantium is a good example to show durability. . hello, strawmanning. . .

Originally posted by Dizzle
Did I ever say webs are instant?

"As soon as she's hit she's pretty much screwed"

Originally posted by Dizzle
I did say they were effective, but I never said they were instant. Jubilee fanboy. 🙄
Yes because I'm the one that said that Spiderman hitting her in the face would screw her over regardless of resulting blast taking spiderman out. . . 🙄

Originally posted by Dizzle
If her face is webbed over, she doesn't really have any means to get them off without blowing up her head, so she'll suffocate and die.
Again, she's immune to her own powers genius. . .

Originally posted by Dizzle
Why WOULD Jubilee just decide, without any indication that Spiderman is near her, to fire off the most powerful attack she has? It's just wasting energy for her.
Emotional bloodlust mode. . . 🙄

Originally posted by Dizzle
I meant she'd have to see him, or else she wouldn't fire one off.
Wishful thinking is an invalid argument.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Unless she's crazy and with the IQ of a 3 year old, she'd have no reason to randomly unload everything she has into an omnidirectional attack, when she has no reason if her target is anywhere near her.
Emootional bloodlust mode. . . Hello, remember?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Has Jubilee ever used more than one of these big blasts at a time?
Nope, did the ones she used tire her in the slightest? Nope.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Has she ever used a whole lot of fireworks for an extended period of time?
Yup.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Is there any mutant offensive power that doesn't tire the wielder after a relatively short amount of use at full capacity? If there are, then they're rare exceptions. Jubilee Fanboy.
Ah yes You're the one making unproven claims and I'm the fanboy.

You want to prove she tires? Post scans of her tiring.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Has Cyclops ever shot himself somewhere besides the inside of his eyelids? Has Havok? Has Dazzler ever hit herself with a light attack? Has Emma had telepathy used on her? Has Storm been hurt by things that would classify as elements of nature?
Nope. To all of those, including storm. 😄

Originally posted by Dizzle
If I'm strawmanning, how are you not a hypocrite?
Because I'm not strawmanning. You're exagerating things and. . I'm not.

Kinda hard to be a hypocrite iif I'm not doing the things I'm getting on your case about. 🙄

Originally posted by Dizzle
Mutants aren't all immune to their own powers. Far from it. Jubilee fanboy.
They most certianlty are. why wouldn't they be? I'm a fanboy when you're the one that is making ridiculous claims that you aren't backing up. . . Mutants can be hurt y their oewn power. . .

Does rogue drain herself when she toches her own skin? Does leech cancel out his own power just be being near himself?

Hell, how about you post mutants that are hurt by their OWN power?

Not somebody else who has a similar power. Their own power. 🙂

You can't do thatr because they don't exist.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Did I imply anywhere that Spiderman had lightspeed reactions?
in Wolverine vs Spiderman you didn't just imply it, you came right out and said it. Why would you hold one belief there and not here?

Originally posted by Dizzle
You're just bashing. If she's choking to death, is Wolverine gonna come in and lend her his amazing skill of holding his breath for weeks on end? 🙄 You were wrong, I was misinterpreted. Jubilee fanboy.
Yes because you're the one that's commiting the wishful thinking fallacy and I'm the fanboy, Why would she be choking? The webs are immune to her own power now? Wanna prove that claim?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Ever seen the footage of the Wolrd Trade Centers getting attacked? The explosions were nowhere near the size of the buildings, but they ended up on the ground. The explosion does enough damage that the thing falls down, but that does not mean that the explosion is as big as whatever it destroys. Walls can fall down from an explosion without the explosion actually touching them...
Strawmanning, you forget the twin towers were also tall and they clollapsed into them selves. . . I'm affraid you don't have the same luxury with a mansion.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Spiderman still has a 30 foot vertical. Depending on how far apart they start from each other, he might not even have to go that far. Battlefield conditions and relative starting locations can have a big effect on the entire outcome. How far does jumping 30 feet up translate to horizontally?
Dunno, why don't you show your claim?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Spiderman is no Flash, but his reactions are boosted to 20x that of a normal human. That's without Spider Sense. Precog+20x reflexes means he can predict when she is going to attack, and act before she starts.
not going to help him out a whole lot, what's he going to do run away her to death?

Originally posted by Dizzle
By that same token, Jubilee can destroy webs. But faster than Spiderman can shift his grip? I doubt it. Unless you really want to try to prove to me that Jubilee can do anything to even compare to Spiderman in the speed department. Friggin Jubilee fanboy.
why wouldn't she beable to? What are her hands doing?

Yes you're making unsubstantiated claims and yet I'm the fanboy?

Pssh,

Originally posted by Dizzle
Once again, name me some energy projection type mutant powers that don't tire the user when used at maximum output. Havok is done after one big blast. Cyke pretty much is too. Storm is done after holding in an explosion with air, etc etc etc. Jubilee has pulled the omnidirectional blast how many times?
Twice.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Did she do a lot of fighting afterwards?
yup, she wasn't drained in the lslightest?

How about those scans of her tiring?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Did she immediately use another 5 or 6 more? Does she even have any stamina feats? For the last time, you've got a very bad case of Jubilee Fanboy.
Because you haven't provided any evidence I'm the fanboy?

You spiderman fanboy put up or shut up. oprovide the evidence that she tires. 🙂 Or that her powers hurt her. . . Or anyof your wishful thinking claims.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I think The Blob still edges you out for X Fangirl of the year though. Sorry, better luck next time.
And you edge the blob out. . not only that but you're fuc[b]king[/b] gullible. 😄

So makes with the evidence. 🙂 Proove she tires, preove she hurts herself.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I pretty much completely agree with you. Except for the Summers brothers. They're weird exceptions. For some strange reason, both Scott and Alex can pretty much blast themselves and not be affected at all.

Other than that, yea. You're pretty much right. Elemental attacks can hurt Storm. Telepathy can hurt Emma. And so on and so forth.

Thier own. . .hello, miss that part?

Does EMMA'S TELEPATHY hurt Emma?

Do STORM'S weather effects hurt her?

Not other people, themselves?

And the summers brothers aren't a weird exception.

Wanna give some mutants that are hurt by their OWN powers? Not someone else who has similar powers, their own.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Thier own. . .hello, miss that part?

Does EMMA'S TELEPATHY hurt Emma?

Do STORM'S weather effects hurt her?

Not other people, themselves?

And the summers brothers aren't a weird exception.

Wanna give some mutants that are hurt by their OWN powers? Not someone else who has similar powers, their own.

No, really. Think about it, Cresh.

Emma could theoretically psi-blast herself. What's to say she can't? She has a mind just like everyone else. Why can't she just direct an attack to her own brain? Or any other telepath for that matter. In fact a telekinetic could do it, too.

So, a massive hail storm wouldn't hurt Storm in the slightest?

And I could get really technical on you and say that Wolverine can stab himself. His bone claws are indeed his own mutant ability. And he can hurt himself with them.

The explosion from Gambit's cards (or anything he charges for that matter) has hurt him before a number of times.

So, since Jubilee creates explosions, if she were to detonate the webbing on her face, it would damage her like hell, too.

Jubilee is immune to own plasma. She can even absorb into herself. It's been stated numerous times. The AFTEREFFECTS of her plasma (ex. falling buildings) Jubilee is not of course immune to.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, really. Think about it, Cresh.

Emma could theoretically psi-blast herself. What's to say she can't? She has a mind just like everyone else. Why can't she just direct an attack to her own brain? Or any other telepath for that matter. In fact a telekinetic could do it, too.

So instead of actually providing evidence of emma hurting herself you're ogoing to give me this? 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, a massive hail storm wouldn't hurt Storm in the slightest?
probably not if SHE created it. . . wanna show e where it did?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I could get really technical on you and say that Wolverine can stab himself. His bone claws are indeed his own mutant ability. And he can hurt himself with them.
Yup, because physical power is the same thing as energy projectors and psions. . .

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The explosion from Gambit's cards (or anything he charges for that matter) has hurt him before a number of times.
Scans?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So, since Jubilee creates explosions, if she were to detonate the webbing on her face, it would damage her like hell, too.
Proof please? Cause if you want you could even throw her bio at me to say that her powers can hurt her. . .

You guys haven't thrown any bios at me. . . wonder why?

😄

Now how about scans of jubilee hurting herself or tiring? 🙂 instead all of this shoulda woulda coulda stuff? 🙂

Originally posted by Draco69
Jubilee is immune to own plasma. She can even absorb into herself. It's been stated numerous times. The AFTEREFFECTS of her plasma (ex. falling buildings) Jubilee is not of course immune to.
Well yeah but were' not talking about building or trees or that sort of thing, but the plasmitic explosions themselves.

She should still be immune to it. It's just violent outburst of plasma energy. She won't be harmed by it.

Originally posted by Draco69
She should still be immune to it. It's just violent outburst of plasma energy. She won't be harmed by it.
That's what I was thinking, since her normal plasma is just the air molecules why would something else be different?

Originally posted by Creshosk
So instead of actually providing evidence of emma hurting herself you're ogoing to give me this? 🙄

probably not if SHE created it. . . wanna show e where it did?

Yup, because physical power is the same thing as energy projectors and psions. . .

Scans?

Proof please? Cause if you want you could even throw her bio at me to say that her powers can hurt her. . .

You guys haven't thrown any bios at me. . . wonder why?

😄

Now how about scans of jubilee hurting herself or tiring? 🙂 instead all of this shoulda woulda coulda stuff? 🙂

How could Storm not be hurt if she was in the middle of her own hail storm that she created? You're making no sense now.

And about the phyiscal thing...
"Wanna give some mutants that are hurt by their OWN powers? Not someone else who has similar powers, their own."
I was just obliging to your request.

And do you not read (adjectiveless) X-men? Issue #158. Gambit's own card exploded in his face and blinded him. I have the comic, but no time to scan it now. Maybe later this weekend.

Okay. Look. Jubilee can absorb her own energy, yes. But if something is EXPLODING on her, she will be hurt. Don't you understand what I'm saying? If she was just causing fireworks she could absorb them and be fine. But say she was standing next to a car or something like that. And she caused it to explode. You're honestly going to sit there and tell me that she would be completely immune to the explosion?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
How could Storm not be hurt if she was in the middle of her own hail storm that she created? You're making no sense now.
Probably a subconcious air pressure field to keep the hail from even hitting her. 🙂

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And about the phyiscal thing...
"Wanna give some mutants that are hurt by their OWN powers? Not someone else who has similar powers, their own."
I was just obliging to your request.
Naw you were being a bit too literal, you knew what I meant.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And do you not read (adjectiveless) X-men? Issue #158. Gambit's own card exploded in his face and blinded him. I have the comic, but no time to scan it now. Maybe later this weekend.
Well that sucks. . looks like Jubilee was one up in that department.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. Look. Jubilee can absorb her own energy, yes. But if something is EXPLODING on her, she will be hurt.
Why would she be? Air or webb, molecules is molecules and their detonation can be absorbed back into her.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Don't you understand what I'm saying?
Yes, her power doesn't work the same as it usually does because this is spiderman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If she was just causing fireworks she could absorb them and be fine.
So what's the difference between air and the webbing? the explosive energy is the same.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But say she was standing next to a car or something like that. And she caused it to explode. You're honestly going to sit there and tell me that she would be completely immune to the explosion?
Yup. 🙂 Aside from shrapnel of course. . . but the actual heat and concussive fore of the plasmitic explosion would be absorbed back into her. 🙂

Why wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Probably a subconcious air pressure field to keep the hail from even hitting her. 🙂

Naw you were being a bit too literal, you knew what I meant.

Well that sucks. . looks like Jubilee was one up in that department.

Why would she be? Air or webb, molecules is molecules and their detonation can be absorbed back into her.

Yes, her power doesn't work the same as it usually does because this is spiderman.

So what's the difference between air and the webbing? the explosive energy is the same.

Yup. 🙂 Aside from shrapnel of course. . . but the actual heat and concussive fore of the plasmitic explosion would be absorbed back into her. 🙂

Why wouldn't it?

Ah, so Storm isn't immune to her own attacks. She uses other methods to protect herself from her own elemental fury.

Also, I just learned that Magneto turned a lightning bolt back sent by Storm around on her and it nearly killed her.

My God, Cresh. You're telling me that if a freakin car exploded right in front of her, she would be fine? Bull, my friend. Bull. Provide me with proof that she can do that. An explosion is still an explosion.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, so Storm isn't immune to her own attacks. She uses other methods to protect herself from her own elemental fury.
Why don't you throw her bio at me?

I was just speculating. 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Also, I just learned that Magneto turned a lightning bolt back sent by Storm around on her and it nearly killed her.[/]b
that would be magneto's lightning then. 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
[B]My God, Cresh. You're telling me that if a freakin car exploded right in front of her, she would be fine? Bull, my friend. Bull. Provide me with proof that she can do that. An explosion is still an explosion.
An explosion is not just an explosion. She absorbes her own explosions back into her. . .🙄

How about posting evidecne that her own explosions hurt her? Since that's what you're claiming. 😉

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why don't you throw her bio at me?

I was just speculating. 🙄

that would be magneto's lightning then. 🙄

An explosion is not just an explosion. She absorbes her own explosions back into her. . .🙄

How about posting evidecne that her own explosions hurt her? Since that's what you're claiming. 😉

Ah. Speculation. Makes more sense now.

And no, it was Storm's own lighting. He literally just turned it around on her. It changed directions and hit her instead.

Oh, joy. The patented Creshok move "You provide proof because I can't". I do so enjoy this. Especially since you made the original claim that her explosions couldn't hurt her.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah. Speculation. Makes more sense now.

And no, it was Storm's own lighting. He literally just turned it around on her. It changed directions and hit her instead.

then it became his lightning bolt when he used his powers to divert it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, joy. The patented Creshok move "You provide proof because I can't". I do so enjoy this. Especially since you made the original claim that her explosions couldn't hurt her.
Can't prove a negative. . and no I wasn't the one who originally made the claim of that nature, I said she blasts the webs off her face.

Drizzle made the comment about weather or not her own powers would affect her. and you followed it up by agreeing.

By extension of the original claim and because you don't prove a negative. please, show me proof of the original claim that her expolosions hurt her. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
then it became his lightning bolt when he used his powers to divert it.

Can't prove a negative. . and no I wasn't the one who originally made the claim of that nature, I said she blasts the webs off her face.

Drizzle made the comment about weather or not her own powers would affect her. and you followed it up by agreeing.

By extension of the original claim and because you don't prove a negative. please, show me proof of the original claim that her expolosions hurt her. 🙂

By stating that she could blast the webs of her face, you implied that she would be unaffected by the explosion. Otherwise, you wouldn't have said that. Thus, you made the original claim.

So, we're back to you again. Still waiting for that proof.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
By stating that she could blast the webs of her face, you implied that she would be unaffected by the explosion. Thus, you made the original claim.

So, we're back to you again. Still waiting for that proof.

Can't prove a negative. Thanks for commiting the burden of proof fallacy form me just then. 🙂

Cause hey implying it isn't good enough, and via Draco, and confirmation on your own, you've already claimed that her own powers don't hurt her. 🙂

So the default state is also the nagetive.

her powers do NOT hurt her.

Still waiting for that proof buddy.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. Look. Jubilee can absorb her own energy, yes.

Sigh...now I see why people get annoyed when debating with you, because you pull this crap instead of actually answering or providing proof.

You're a good person, Cresh, but sometimes a lousy debator.

It's like reading a debate class transcript.
😛

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sigh...now I see why people get annoyed when debating with you, because you pull this crap instead of actually answering or providing proof.

You're a good person, Cresh, but sometimes a lousy debator.


No, he's VERY good at debating. Too good for talking about comics, when most of us are just shooting the bull. He pulls out the debate class jargon, which I enjoy myself.

I don't know as much as he does, but I'm learning! 😄