Spiderman Vs Jubilee

Originally posted by long pig
No, he's VERY good at debating. Too good for talking about comics, when most of us are just shooting the bull. He pulls out the debate class jargon, which I enjoy myself.

I don't know as much as he does, but I'm learning! 😄

If he pulled that out during a presidental debate, he would lose horribly. The general populace doesn' like to redirected over and over again and always believe that a certain person doesn't have any proof to back up their claims or claims against them.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sigh...now I see why people get annoyed when debating with you, because you pull this crap instead of actually answering or providing proof.

You're a good person, Cresh, but sometimes a lousy debator.

Oh yes, Im' not the one commiting the burden of proof fallacy and I'm the lousy debator. . hey you said yourself she absorbs her own energy, what do you think it is that makes the things explode?

HER explosions.

She absorbes her own energy back into herself. And yet somehow now that she's up against Spiderman she can't. . . Why is that?

Why is it that being in spiderman's presence alters their powers so?

You're not providing proof of your claims and I'M the lousy debator?

Take some classes on the matter, then you'll know the problem isn't that I'm a lousy debator. The problem is that I've been taught how to debate properly and I'm attempting to debate with people that haven't.

So this stuff I pull, beats people, because I know how to debate.

Since they can't counter because they don't know how to, suddenly I'M the one that's the lousy debator.

in-fu[b]cking[/b]- credible. . . Absolutley. . .

ERgh. . I fell for your ad hominem red herring. . .

So you have no proof of her powers harming her. . . And you even said she can absorb her own energy. . . So I really don't see why you're arguing that her own powers would hurt her. Other then attempting to power her down so that Spidey stands a better chance than he does. . .

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If he pulled that out during a presidental debate, he would lose horribly. The general populace doesn' like to redirected over and over again and always believe that a certain person doesn't have any proof to back up their claims or claims against them.

Not that it even matters with our system. Popular vote doesn't get people into office, Since the US is not a democracy. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
That explains why Bush is in office. 🙄

Not that it even matters with our system. Popular vote doesn't get people into office, Since the US is not a democracy. . .

Now that, I can agree with you.

Debate jargon is INCREDIBLY condescending, though.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That explains why Bush is in office. 🙄

Not that it even matters with our system. Popular vote doesn't get people into office, Since the US is not a democracy. . .

Of course the US isn't a democracy, too much elitism.

More bureaucracy actually.

Originally posted by Draco69
More bureaucracy actually.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Now that, I can agree with you.

I'm actually an unaffiliated centerist. Last election was pitiful, neither canidate was a good choice. Fortunatly I didn't vote for either, Not that it matters, since I was in a republican state at the time.

Oh and ignore my location, it's mostly to prove a point.

Originally posted by long pig
Debate jargon is INCREDIBLY condescending, though.

Originally posted by long pig
I thought you live in Tokyo?

Originally posted by long pig
Of course the US isn't a democracy, too much elitism.

Eh, that's like everyone, though.
I honestly don't know anyone who is really a republican or a democrat or liberal.

Everybody is in between, except for the weirdo fanatics who seem to be the very, very loud minority.

Originally posted by long pig
It's just really messed up internally. Canada seems the best government I've seen.

Rather I typed out a description of the problem each time?

Nope. Just visiting.

It's an oligarchy currently.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not sure, It's pretty good, but the Canadians I've talked to aren't happy with what's going on up there either.

At least they don't have our war on drugs.

Originally posted by long pig
They seem happy.

At least they don't have our war on drugs.

But its just a few that I've talked to. So not necessarily the truth.

I don't hate the guy, I do see his appeal.

His intentions seems good, I just don't think he's the one running things. There's a "power behind the throne" somewhere.

WOD has ruined more lives than cancer, and it's partially his fault.

Originally posted by long pig
I don't hate the guy, I do see his appeal.

His intentions seems good, I just don't think he's the one running things. There's a "power behind the throne" somewhere.

WOD has ruined more lives than cancer, and it's partially his fault.

First, I'd like to say... Dick Cheney is the Prince of Darkness.

Originally posted by Creshosk
has ssorry, not my job to do your legwork for you, you want to prove that her using her power tires her, show me the proof.

Cause I can show you tons of pictures of her using her powers, and never does it show it tireing her.

What the hell are you talking about?

And she can too, She can destroy his potential hiding places as she approaches them.

Yes adamantium is a good example to show durability. . hello, strawmanning. . .

"As soon as she's hit she's pretty much screwed"

Yes because I'm the one that said that Spiderman hitting her in the face would screw her over regardless of resulting blast taking spiderman out. . . 🙄

Again, she's immune to her own powers genius. . .

Emotional bloodlust mode. . . 🙄

Wishful thinking is an invalid argument.

Emootional bloodlust mode. . . Hello, remember?

Nope, did the ones she used tire her in the slightest? Nope.

Yup.

Ah yes You're the one making unproven claims and I'm the fanboy.

You want to prove she tires? Post scans of her tiring.

Nope. To all of those, including storm. 😄

Because I'm not strawmanning. You're exagerating things and. . I'm not.

Kinda hard to be a hypocrite iif I'm not doing the things I'm getting on your case about. 🙄

They most certianlty are. why wouldn't they be? I'm a fanboy when you're the one that is making ridiculous claims that you aren't backing up. . . Mutants can be hurt y their oewn power. . .

Does rogue drain herself when she toches her own skin? Does leech cancel out his own power just be being near himself?

Hell, how about you post mutants that are hurt by their OWN power?

Not somebody else who has a similar power. Their own power. 🙂

You can't do thatr because they don't exist.

in Wolverine vs Spiderman you didn't just imply it, you came right out and said it. Why would you hold one belief there and not here?

Yes because you're the one that's commiting the wishful thinking fallacy and I'm the fanboy, Why would she be choking? The webs are immune to her own power now? Wanna prove that claim?

Strawmanning, you forget the twin towers were also tall and they clollapsed into them selves. . . I'm affraid you don't have the same luxury with a mansion.

Dunno, why don't you show your claim?

not going to help him out a whole lot, what's he going to do run away her to death?

why wouldn't she beable to? What are her hands doing?

Yes you're making unsubstantiated claims and yet I'm the fanboy?

Pssh,

Twice.
yup, she wasn't drained in the lslightest?

How about those scans of her tiring?

Because you haven't provided any evidence I'm the fanboy?

You spiderman fanboy put up or shut up. oprovide the evidence that she tires. 🙂 Or that her powers hurt her. . . Or anyof your wishful thinking claims.

And you edge the blob out. . not only that but you're [b]fuc[b]king[/b] gullible. 😄

So makes with the evidence. 🙂 Proove she tires, preove she hurts herself. [/B]

I can't prove directly that using her power tires Jubilee, but pretty much every other offensive mutant power works that way. The amount of pure energy output that you suggest she would need to use is well beyond anything she's even come close to displaying in the past. Since there is no precedent for Jubilee throwing this many explosions around, trends from other mutants is the only way to even begin to guess at what would happen to her. In almost every other case, the mutant tires, fairly rapidly. You can show pictures of her using fireworks, but never using it to anywhere close to this degree.

I said Spiderman ambushes her within a city. You said that she takes out all of Spiderman's possible hiding places. That implies leveling said city.

He can fire webs from a lot farther away than she can blow up a building. Even if she can blow them off, it's a damn good distraction. He swings her once and she dies.

You said Jubilee blows everything up, and breaks it down to matter. Meaning the simples possible substance, period. This is conveniently the only way to break adamantium. If she effects things at that level, she should be able to damage adamantium, from a power blast at that range. I was just calling your crappy attempt at a pun.

Would you survive if you had the equivalent of glue-like steel covering your face? Prove to me that Jubilee can get the webs off of her face.

Emotional bloodlust, or insanity and an IQ of 13? She has no reason to create an explosion, so she wouldn't. If someone successfully sneaks up on Jubilee, they can fairly easily kill her, because of her sub-par durability. Spiderman has the means to get the drop on her, emotional bloodlust or no.

He says I shouldn't utilize "wishful thinking", while arguing for a comic joke... Jubilee's first in 1 out of every 3 gauntlet threads for a reason.

Has she ever used this much power? Nope. Prove she can discharge that much at one time.

Storm has been hurt by lightning. Her own lightning, apparently.

I said Spiderman has lightspeed reactions, I defined myself. You disregarded the explanation, and have tried to use those two words against me several times. I simply meant that I had not brought it up here in this thread. You did, as an attack against me.

You defend against strategies of attack from Spiderman by screaming fanboy or just saying "no, it won't work". Spiderman's not Flash, but he DOES have a substantial speed advantage over Jubilee. One blow from him will kill her, he is agile enough to move through a city or forest without being seen or heard. Your counters? She blows every conceivable hiding place up, she never tires, she can throw around an infinite amount of power. Keep in mind this is Jubilee. And I'm being the wishful thinker, eh...

Debate kicks ass. You'd be very good at winning points with judges, but how many judges are here? You still have yet to really address stealth.

Oh, and I'm gullible cuz I never guessed that The Blob was really someone else being funny... Seriously, can just anyone become the prestigious Fangirl of the Year? No. You gotta have a gimmick.

As for proof... Prove she can use this much energy. Prove the webbing won't melt and burn her face when she tries to 'splode it off. Prove she can uncover her face before Spiderman can move 30 yards to kick her head off. 🙂

Originally posted by Dizzle
I can't prove directly that using her power tires Jubilee,

Originally posted by Dizzle
but pretty much every other offensive mutant power works that way. The amount of pure energy output that you suggest she would need to use is well beyond anything she's even come close to displaying in the past.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Since there is no precedent for Jubilee throwing this many explosions around, trends from other mutants is the only way to even begin to guess at what would happen to her.

Equivocation.

Originally posted by Dizzle
In almost every other case, the mutant tires, fairly rapidly.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You can show pictures of her using fireworks, but never using it to anywhere close to this degree.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I said Spiderman ambushes her within a city. You said that she takes out all of Spiderman's possible hiding places. That implies leveling said city.

Originally posted by Dizzle
He can fire webs from a lot farther away than she can blow up a building. Even if she can blow them off, it's a damn good distraction. He swings her once and she dies.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You said Jubilee blows everything up, and breaks it down to matter.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Meaning the simples possible substance, period.

Originally posted by Dizzle
This is conveniently the only way to break adamantium. If she effects things at that level, she should be able to damage adamantium, from a power blast at that range.

I'm being nice and even allowing you trees and buildings, considering that's giving him an unspecified environmental advantage. 😉

Originally posted by Dizzle
I was just calling your crappy attempt at a pun.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Would you survive if you had the equivalent of glue-like steel covering your face? Prove to me that Jubilee can get the webs off of her face.

Fanboy. . .

Originally posted by Dizzle
Emotional bloodlust, or insanity and an IQ of 13? She has no reason to create an explosion, so she wouldn't.

How does logic and reason apply to what you just described? 🙄 contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by Dizzle
If someone successfully sneaks up on Jubilee, they can fairly easily kill her, because of her sub-par durability. Spiderman has the means to get the drop on her,

Originally posted by Dizzle
emotional bloodlust or no.

Originally posted by Dizzle
He says I shouldn't utilize "wishful thinking", while arguing for a comic joke...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Jubilee's first in 1 out of every 3 gauntlet threads for a reason.

Oh a coolness argument AND an ad populem argument!

Jubilee is weak and lame because that's the popular opinion.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Has she ever used this much power? Nope.[/qutoe] So that means that she is only capable of less? Prove it.

[QUOTE=5487958]Originally posted by Dizzle
Prove she can discharge that much at one time.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Storm has been hurt by lightning. Her own lightning, apparently.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I said Spiderman has lightspeed reactions,

Originally posted by Dizzle
I defined myself. You disregarded the explanation, and have tried to use those two words against me several times.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I simply meant that I had not brought it up here in this thread. /[quote] But it's still a belief you hold.

[QUOTE=5487958]Originally posted by Dizzle
You did, as an attack against me.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You defend against strategies of attack from Spiderman by screaming fanboy or just saying "no, it won't work". Spiderman's not Flash, but he DOES have a substantial speed advantage over Jubilee.

Originally posted by Dizzle
One blow from him will kill her, he is agile enough to move through a city or forest without being seen or heard.

And he's allowed to leave the battle field (thus forfeiting according to KMC rules)

And yet I'm the fanboy. 🙂 Because I'm obviously the one breaking KMC rules to favor my character. . .oh wait. . .

Originally posted by Dizzle
Your counters? She blows every conceivable hiding place up, she never tires, she can throw around an infinite amount of power. Keep in mind this is Jubilee. And I'm being the wishful thinker, eh...

You claim she tires, with no evidence to support such a claim. Yet that's the norm.
You claim she can be hurt by her own powers, despite it stating in the comics and the bios that she's not, yet yours is the default position?

I have evidence and logic, yet I'm the fanboy. And a person who breaks the rules and makes unsubstantiated claims that ignores evidence. . is not?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Debate kicks ass. You'd be very good at winning points with judges, but how many judges are here? You still have yet to really address stealth.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Oh, and I'm gullible cuz I never guessed that The Blob was really someone else being funny...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Seriously, can just anyone become the prestigious Fangirl of the Year? No. You gotta have a gimmick.

"BREK DUH RILZ N SPEDRMNS FAYBER!"

Originally posted by Dizzle
As for proof... Prove she can use this much energy. Prove the webbing won't melt and burn her face when she tries to 'splode it off. Prove she can uncover her face before Spiderman can move 30 yards to kick her head off. 🙂

You claimed she tires, and has already been stated that she is immune to her own powers, so you have to prove HER powers hurt her. 🙂

And you have to prove the webbign is resistant to her powers.

Sorry, burden of proof rests on you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Modified by magneto's powers, did you see the shot where he discharged lightning directly at her himself?

Hmm... considering Spider-Man is faster and has better reflexes, could he just web onto her and fling her 100 lb frame at high speeds into something.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm assuming this is being brought up by both you and Dizzle because of the images I posted. To clarify the lightning wasn't modified by Magneto's power i.e. stormfront was wrong as usual. In the second he's using his magnetic powers.

Hmm... considering Spider-Man is faster and has better reflexes, could he just web onto her and fling her 100 lb frame at high speeds into something.