Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4

Nothing is absolute.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothing is absolute.

^ Including this statement.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
^ Including this statement.

😆 That was my point. 😄

Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4

Well, it can't even be prooved that 2 + 2 = 4.

Mathematics is merely axiomatic and agreed upon, not absolutely prooved.

We made up the terms and given them meaning, that's all I care about. 😐

Originally posted by overlord
We made up the terms and given them meaning, that's all I care about. 😐

Some people think that god made math. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Some people think that god made math. 😉

Good one. Man made God who made math. 🤣

Originally posted by Wonderer
Good one. Man made God who made math. 🤣

Man made god math.

Say that three times fast. 😆

Oops, I tried saying it 3 times fast and left a swear word! 🙁 Sorry god...I mean man....now I'm confused... 😕

Originally posted by whobdamandog
There are some, however, who believe that everything in life is made up of "Relative Truths." and truth is dependant upon an individual's circumstances/views.

Those of you who believe in "Relative Truths." Please provide for me an explanation..as to how the mathmetical equation.
2 + 2 = 4

Prove to me that 2+2 does not = 4

Ok..
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Plus - ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pls)
conj.

And
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"We do not say "Plus the bad weather, the construction slowdown has made for a weak market." It makes more sense to view plus in these uses as a conjunction that joins two subjects into a single entity requiring a single verb by notional agreement, just as "and" does in the sentence. "Chips and beans is her favorite appetizer".

Therefore, I can write, 2 +(and) 2 = 22. Or { 22 = 2 and(+) 2 }

And that's how 2+2 does not = 4 but 22 because as you said, "Relative Truth." is dependant upon an individual's circumstances/views." This is my view. This was the alternate circumstance I chose to prove to you that 2+2 does not =4.

Objectively speaking, the name assigned to the value "4" can easily be changed, so 2+2=5, so long as 5 means what we perceive to be 4. Or we could just doublethink the whole thing. 😛

Relative..absolute...2+2=4...2+2 does not equal 4.....prove it does...prove it doesn't.....is this a funky thread or what?
If your really not sure what 2+2 is....just ask a pre-schooler.....they don't try to make it complicated...they will just give you the answer, straight and direct.

Originally posted by blackhat
Relative..absolute...2+2=4...2+2 does not equal 4.....prove it does...prove it doesn't.....is this a funky thread or what?
If your really not sure what 2+2 is....just ask a pre-schooler.....they don't try to make it complicated...they will just give you the answer, straight and direct.

Exactly.
Beware the Demon of Overthink.

That's an odd thing to say on a Philosophy forum.

The pre-schooler is saying that because others have told him to; there is no intellectual process behind the statement other than repetition. Hardly what this area is about.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's an odd thing to say on a Philosophy forum.

The pre-schooler is saying that because others have told him to; there is no intellectual process behind the statement other than repetition. Hardly what this area is about.

Sure there is, many-pre schoolers actually understand the arithmatic involved with 2 + 2, they are not just memorizing it.
It's really quite a simple concept, and does not require deep thought or hours of analizing.
Sometimes a simple concept can be overanalized.
On the other hand, it one does not find that 2 + 2 a simple concept, whether we are talking pos, neg or dec or any other kind of numbers, well then...what more can I say.

Originally posted by blackhat
Sure there is, many-pre schoolers actually understand the arithmatic involved with 2 + 2, they are not just memorizing it.
It's really quite a simple concept, and does not require deep thought or hours of analizing.
Sometimes a simple concept can be overanalized.
On the other hand, it one does not find that 2 + 2 a simple concept, whether we are talking pos, neg or dec or any other kind of numbers, well then...what more can I say.

So do you think that truth is absolute or relative?

2+2 does equal 4 by definition though..therefore it is an absolute truth in it's system. Well, and since it only exists in that system it is an absolute truth overall.

2 + 2 = 0 (mod 4) 😖mart: I win 💃

Originally posted by Bardock42
2+2 does equal 4 by definition though..therefore it is an absolute truth in it's system. Well, and since it only exists in that system it is an absolute truth overall.

But outside of that system, would it still be absolute truth?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But outside of that system, would it still be absolute truth?

It can't be outside the system...obviously in a system that has as axiom that 2+2=0 it is not a truth. But it doesn't claim that, so everything that is claimed by it is that "in the system we call "mathematics" (which is comparable to a language in some ways) itself (2+2) equals 4"...that is a fact, an absolute Truth...no argueing about that.