The match could go either way, but Superman could turn the whole area into lava or Ice, making it difficult for Flash to get around.
As long as Superman stay off the ground (it whould be best to attack from space where Flash whould never be able to reach him, this whould be easy for Superman too since he has Xray/Microscope Vision) he'll be safe from Flash attacks.
Unless Superman starts in the air, he won't be making it airborne as soon as the fight starts.
Flash will have already KOed him before Supes takes off.
Even if he is in the air, I'm under the impression that Flash can indeed fly, just chooses not to because it's not as reliable or as fast I'm sure.
Anyway, Flash wins.
Bloodlusted Superman is faster than Wally, apperently, as seen in Sacrifice. That is...until he reaches time travel speed, and Superman has many times been portrayed -- even during his holding back time -- as faster than Wally on the jump. And whoever gets the jump in this fight, is pretty much going to win. It can go either way really.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Unless Superman starts in the air, he won't be making it airborne as soon as the fight starts.Flash will have already KOed him before Supes takes off.
Even if he is in the air, I'm under the impression that Flash can indeed fly, just chooses not to because it's not as reliable or as fast I'm sure.
Anyway, Flash wins.
Happened in Kingdom Come, something about vibrating his molcules in one direction (to be able to go up) and stuff......but Wally hasnt done that himself, so maybe he just doesnt know he can....
Originally posted by Juntai
Bloodlusted Superman is faster than Wally, apperently, as seen in Sacrifice. That is...until he reaches time travel speed, and Superman has many times been portrayed -- even during his holding back time -- as faster than Wally on the jump. And whoever gets the jump in this fight, is pretty much going to win. It can go either way really.
Where do people get that Superman was faster then Wally from Sacrifice? 1. Superman was on the offensive and it was a surprise offensive. That automatically gives him the advantage. 2. Superman basically said himself that he really only got away because Flash was busy saving everyone else's lives lol 3. Wally was obviously holding back more. If you read Sacrifice (the whole story) you know Wally was one of the people that was like "Its Superman, he couldnt have done it" and "Are you sure we should be doing it, come on its Superman." Superman on the other hand wasnt trying to kill or seriously hurt anyone, but he was super parinoid and thought the whole league was being mind controlled and against him. Wally's powers are highly psychological, he was clearly at a disadvantage through out the whole thing.
Originally posted by 3.14
Where do people get that Superman was faster then Wally from Sacrifice? 1. Superman was on the offensive and it was a surprise offensive. That automatically gives him the advantage. 2. Superman basically said himself that he really only got away because Flash was busy saving everyone else's lives lol 3. Wally was obviously holding back more. If you read Sacrifice (the whole story) you know Wally was one of the people that was like "Its Superman, he couldnt have done it" and "Are you sure we should be doing it, come on its Superman." Superman on the other hand wasnt trying to kill or seriously hurt anyone, but he was super parinoid and thought the whole league was being mind controlled and against him. Wally's powers are highly psychological, he was clearly at a disadvantage through out the whole thing.
From the scans I have been shown, Id have to agree......plus you never actually see him and supes in one on one confrontation.....
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Unless Superman starts in the air, he won't be making it airborne as soon as the fight starts.Flash will have already KOed him before Supes takes off.
Even if he is in the air, I'm under the impression that Flash can indeed fly, just chooses not to because it's not as reliable or as fast I'm sure.
Anyway, Flash wins.
Superman is fast enough to get off into the air, Superman I think whould be able to fly away from Wally faster than he can run. Every time they had a race Superman is always running, not flying.
Flash can't fly, he can run in the for a short time, but that's it. Superman is going to be attacking from space too.
Originally posted by 3.14Superman surprised attacked Martian Manhunter, then the team jumped him Wally specifically was right on top of him, he stood there and waited for their attacks. Read it again. "Wally is fast enough to see the attack coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it." In the next scenes, every JLAer is strewn about across the ground, although you don't see Wally's, he WAS the closest man to Superman when he started attacking, within arms reach.
Where do people get that Superman was faster then Wally from Sacrifice? 1. Superman was on the offensive and it was a surprise offensive. That automatically gives him the advantage. 2. Superman basically said himself that he really only got away because Flash was busy saving everyone else's lives lol 3. Wally was obviously holding back more. If you read Sacrifice (the whole story) you know Wally was one of the people that was like "Its Superman, he couldnt have done it" and "Are you sure we should be doing it, come on its Superman." Superman on the other hand wasnt trying to kill or seriously hurt anyone, but he was super parinoid and thought the whole league was being mind controlled and against him. Wally's powers are highly psychological, he was clearly at a disadvantage through out the whole thing.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman surprised attacked Martian Manhunter, then the team jumped him Wally specifically was right on top of him, he stood there and waited for their attacks. Read it again. "Wally is fast enough to see the attack coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it." In the next scenes, every JLAer is strewn about across the ground, although you don't see Wally's, he WAS the closest man to Superman when he started attacking, within arms reach.
Actually if you read the comic you can clearly see what happens.
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Superman quickly takes out MM and then goes for Wally which you can clearly see that Wally dodged/moved out of the way so that Superman didnt grab him. Then Green lantern captures Supes in a contruct.
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Here you can clearly see what happens. Superman is in the contruct, he is directly facing Hawkman and GL while Canary is to his left and Wally is to his right. Superman punches so hard that he rips a hole through the construct and the hule of the station knocking Hawkman and GL back (notice how Black Canary is completly unhit by the blast and supes is still in the now broken construct, you dont see wally but you can clearly see from before that he was not in the path of the blast.)
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Here is the aftermath. GL and Hawkman were the only ones physically hit by Superman and Flash is to busy saving everyone's lives to stop Superman (Superman was counting on Flash being to busy to worry about him for a few seconds.)
Superman ment that Flash wasnt fast enough to stop him from destroying the hule (notice how Supes was in a construct and Flash really couldnt get to him). Once the hule of the station was destroyed Superman knew Flash would forget about him. Nothing about this proves anything about Superman being faster then Flash in any situation.