Originally posted by Draco69
✅ Hopefully, they'll go back to his roots.See, 8bitChris. I'm not the only one who thinks this power-up sucks. Why don't you bash Creshok for a change? Or better yet DigiMark007 who also finds this storyline really lame... 🙄
Because they don't make false statements or assumptions. They only give opinion.
How hard is that to comprehend?
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Because they don't make false statements or assumptions. They only give opinion.
Which is what I do...but you for some reason label my opinions as "false assumptions" which is kinda amusing...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
How hard is that to comprehend?
Hypocrisy never makes sense except to the hypocrite.
Actually, over in Marvel Knights Spiderman, Peter finally landed a staff job at the Bugle. He also wasn't fired from his teaching position, he just got passed over for the summer school slot he was hoping to use to pick up some extra bucks. He could concievably go back to teaching in the fall if Jonah gets his goat too badly.
I don't think the Avengers have stipends again yet, but a luxury condo in a Manhattan high-rise would cost far more than the $52,000/year that the team used to get. For that matter, $52,000 isn't a big salary in New York either. The cost of living is quite high. If Peter were to finish his Master's Thesis and get tenure (yeah right) he might eventually make more as a teacher. Of course, they got room and board at a Park Avenue West Mansion then too.
Originally posted by Draco69
Now who's a being a nitpick? 😆
How am I nitpicking?
Just get some reading comprehension and I wouldn't have to "nitpick".
I had to respond to your post; that's not nit picking. It's trying to fix something you were trying to take out of context and failed at miserably.
I did get a laugh out of both those responses though.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
How am I nitpicking?
*sighs*
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Just get some reading comprehension and I wouldn't have to "nitpick".
But you just said you didn't....never mind. 🙄 I thought bipolar hypocrisy was just a myth but apparently it's for real.
Honors thesis, here I come!
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I had to respond to your post; that's not nit picking. It's trying to fix something you were trying to take out of context and failed at miserably.
Honey, you're just incredibly insecure with the fact that everyone doesn't agree with you. Nor does everyone have the same like and/or dislikes as you either. To you, an opinion/joke/criticism against a storyline is a direct insult to you. Which is both sad and disturbing. You don't "have" to reply. You just have willpower of a unrepentant heroin addict to simply ignore my posts that you equate to calling your grandmother a whore.
Do grow up...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I did get a laugh out of both those responses though.
At least my humour isn't lost on you...
Originally posted by Draco69
True. You speak for the minority....
I never said I speak for the majority. You said well the "majority" of people think the storyline is trash. You have no evidence to back up that statement. I realize that I speak for myself, as do you.
Again. Why is my opinion of a storyline considered bashing? You like the New Avengers? Fine. Unfortunately most of us like Sentry, Ion, and longpig feel that it's quite ridiculous. Once again, I just don't like the storylines you like. You make it seem like the greatest thing next to sliced bread but I just feel some of the storylines are kinda cheap and a divergance from the original schemata that Kirby and Lee so masterfully employed.
No I don't.
It just seems to me that a lot of your posts are constructed in such a manner as to belittle Marvel at every chance you get. I wouldn't say anything if it didn't happen more often than not. A lot of the time, I see posts I don't like and I don't say anything.
You have this tendency to defend any and all Marvel storyline with a cult-like persona that is disturbing as it is amusing...
I defended issue 7 of HoM and what else? Any evidence to support your case? I know i've stepped up numerous times to defend Marvel from people who say, "Marvel has crap stories" and omit the fact that they have some really good ones too. I have listed what I like.
But saying I defend "any and all Marvel storyline" is absurb, and untrue.
True. It's not anywhere close to that department. The greatest Spider-Man storylines are long past. Now we're stuck with a one-eyed, stinger-protruding, energy-feeding Spider-Man that snarls alot....
A lot? He's done this once. We don't even know where the story is going. How are we stuck with it?
True. I said that.
Untrue, you said the exact opposite of that. Which was why I said it was wrong in the first place.
I don't research. I read. This is coming from the guy who doesn't research nor read much of DC? Hyprocrite.
I don't shove my foot in my mouth on all DC threads either. I wouldn't enter a thread and criticize a story if I didn't know what I was talking about. I read IC, so I talked on that thread. However, i'll avoid debate threads or story threads where I have no knowledge on the subject. I know and read Marvel, so you will see me on more Marvel threads than DC threads. That is not being hypocritical that is being sensible.
Again. What was I supposed to think. SS fully decked out in armour with a sword in hand. A cliffhanger that fully suggested a upcoming battle. And a history of battling second-stringers like the Wrecker and Sauron.
The same reason most cliffhangers don't give away what is going to happen next. There is almost always a twist or a different direction when they are concerned. If that wasn't the case then story telling, in parts, would be a lot less surprising. Personally, I think it would be boring without the element of surprise; but that is only speaking for myself.
Wrecker and Sauron have the powers and means to take advantage of the Avengers rosters that they fought. I mean, you might not like the characters but it would be ridiculous to say that they did not have the powers or means to fight the Avengers the way they did. It wasn't PIS or bad writing.
Thank god. As if the New Avengers needed any more humilation.
Well you might want to worry more about your own humiliation. It's not good to present false statements as fact.
Neither was Sauron and the Hand ninjas...yet they managed to give the New Avengers trouble...
I've said before that Sauron hypnotizing all the Avengers was not PIS because it has precedent. It's one of his powers. Hand Ninjas? Always used as plot fodder. Not every villain can be a Galactus. Marvel has a lot of street and the Avengers did manhandle the Ninjas.
And Bendis has a tendency to put B-grade characters in the spotlight.
This is bad? Should only the A-listers have any time to shine?
No. Dear. The only one being a dick is you. You're a Marvel fanboy. You defend and love every Marvel storyline with fanatical ravishings. You don't like criticisms or bad opinions of the said storyline. So you immediately come to its defense like an abused Rottwiler.
You're an admitted DC fanboy. The only time I remember defending a Marvel storyline against you was HoM issue 7. However, there were numerous times you've shown up on a Marvel post to talk trash.
Or does "OMG New Avengers fighting Silver Samurai! That is so lame! lollolol Get some real villains" Not even sound a little familiar? Remember when I mentioned putting your foot in your mouth?
For the record, I didn't criticize your opinion. I corrected when you said Spiderman was an extremely rich character who couldn't possibly relate to the everyman.
You don't remember me saying, "You're wrong. The other storyline is awesome"? Well that's because it didn't happen. That's something you interjected into the arguement. Another false statement like the above quote.
You know it's false. You know I don't defend every Marvel story with "fanatical ravishings". It's just not true.
You have better grammar, spelling and paragraph structure. But really in my eyes, you're no different from Wolverine8888.
But really, in my eyes, I don't care what you think. I'm just trying to provide a little truth to the forum. Take that as you will.
Another example of your cultish, fanatical devotion to Marvel. This is just amusing, really.
Actually it was an accusation that you didn't even attempt to deny.
Actually to diverge off-topic, the reason for the Rogue thing was because Bendis originally intended Rogue to be the next Genis-Vell and become a cosmic character (*shudders at thought*). But the editorial team, thankfully, made Bendis fix it.And I didn't like HoM. Most of us didn't like HoM here. I'm not alone in this aspect. And while I respect your like for HoM, you should know that you're very along in this aspect as well. The reason I didn't like HoM was because what I believed to be poor writing and obscure plotlines. Also I recognize it as simply a ploy to "fix" Grant Morrison's take on the X-Men. Which I think is just low...
I defended issue 7 of HoM. I agree that overall the story was slow paced and did not live up to the hype. However, I will not call it a "trajedy" or an "awful story" or anything like that. It was alright.
It's funny that you brought up that Grant Morrison issue. I remember reading online that people were saying Countdown to IC crapped all over Morrison's run on the JLA. With making Maxwell Lord evil and murdering Ted Kord and what not. Sorry to divulge off topic a little bit myself.
So it looks like he might be getting a little crapped on all over the place. I think it's more along the lines now that the big name writers write stories in such a way that they mess everything up for the person trying to follow them. Certain big name writers tend to put their stories first and not think ahead and realize that new people will take over the comic after them.
Or in Morrison's X-universe case; writing a story into continuity that affects the WHOLE Marvel Universe. Marvel felt that putting 16 million mutants on the planet took away from the mystique and idea of super heroes in the first place. The mutants were also well on their way to becomming the majority. A majority population with super powers? It could work but in my opinion it wouldn't work in the Marvel U; a place where have special powers should be uh...special. So I agree with the decision Marvel made to reduce the number of the mutants. Could it have been a better story? Well yeah, but then again, what story couldn't possibly be a better story? (It sounds funny writing that. Point is, stories can always be told better by someone else.)
Actually I do...but you never seem to take a step in DC-themed threads. If you're allergic or something, I'll digress. For example, I thought Identity Crisis was sh**. I also think Batman is a sh** character nowadays and should die. There, happy.
You know I can't afford to read a lot of DC. I wouldn't have much to contribute to those threads. The threads weren't made for me.
Honey, it often goes like this between you and me or anyother person who didn't like a certain storyline.Draco69: I didn't like House of M. 😐
8bitChris: SHUT UP!! 😠
Draco69: 😕
No it doesn't. I don't get like this with a lot of people. You on occasion. But that's what MBs are for.
I'm done Draco. I think we ruined the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman thread. Go ahead and reply if you want. I probably wont respond, but if I do it'll be through PM.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I never said I speak for the majority. You said well the "majority" of people think the storyline is trash. You have no evidence to back up that statement. I realize that I speak for myself, as do you.
I speak for myself. But unfortunately for you my spoken words are nearly synomonous with other members' comments...
Evidence? Read the entire thread. You see anyone applauding the "Other" storyline besides Arahan?
Originally posted by 8bitChris
No I don't.
Denial is often the bastard child of Hypocrisy...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
It just seems to me that a lot of your posts are constructed in such a manner as to belittle Marvel at every chance you get.
You're being astonishingly paranoid....There is no conspiracy, honey....it's all in your head.....
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I wouldn't say anything if it didn't happen more often than not. A lot of the time, I see posts I don't like and I don't say anything.
Pfft. Please you try to "defend" your Marvel mistress every chance you get...with hilarious Three Stooges-esque results.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I defended issue 7 of HoM and what else? Any evidence to support your case?
Oh, I don't know. The New Avengers. The Sentry. The Decimation event. Anything that strikes your fancy. Woe to anybody who crosses your path..
Originally posted by 8bitChris
know i've stepped up numerous times to defend Marvel from people who say, "Marvel has crap stories" and omit the fact that they have some really good ones too.
Who said that? And no the monkey in your closet, doesn't count. Honey, you seriously need a shrink.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I have listed what I like.And bit the ankles of anyone who didn't like what you like.
[QUOTE=5529325]Originally posted by 8bitChris
[B] But saying I defend "any and all Marvel storyline" is absurb, and untrue.
Uh-uh. You omitted "you like" which makes the statement true....
Originally posted by 8bitChris
A lot? He's done this once. We don't even know where the story is going. How are we stuck with it?
He's snarled three times in the book....
Unless they can make him regrow an eye, and get rid of those "stingers" we're stuck with this sad version of Spider-Man.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Untrue, you said the exact opposite of that. Which was why I said it was wrong in the first place.
Honey. For some odd reason you imagine things I don't say. Or take jokes the wrong way. Both are kinda lame...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I don't shove my foot in my mouth on all DC threads either. I wouldn't enter a thread and criticize a story if I didn't know what I was talking about.
Bipolar hypocrisy....what a disorder. You just wrote one sentence that was immediately contradicted by the next sentence. It's like your subconcious is at war with your conscious. You lying and yet "not lying"
Fascinating...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I read IC, so I talked on that thread. However, i'll avoid debate threads or story threads where I have no knowledge on the subject. I know and read Marvel, so you will see me on more Marvel threads than DC threads. That is not being hypocritical that is being sensible.
No. Honey. That is hypocrisy. You go on DC threads. Say critical statements about it. Such as IC being a marketing gimmick for draining comic readers' money. And that's okay. I go on Marvel. I make critical statements sometimes. I get bit in the ankle by 8bitChris. Okay....
Originally posted by 8bitChris
The same reason most cliffhangers don't [b]give away what is going to happen next. There is almost always a twist or a different direction when they are concerned. [/B]
Comic book cliffhangers are incredibly predictable at times. This one was surprising. But seriously Bendis has never been a master of unpredictable twists so I was caught off-guard.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
If that wasn't the case then story telling, in parts, would be a lot less surprising. Personally, I think it would be boring without the element of surprise; but that is only speaking for myself.
And I agree. Can you stop gnawing at my ankle?
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Wrecker and Sauron have the powers and means to take advantage of the Avengers rosters that they fought. I mean, you might not like the characters but it would be ridiculous to say that they did not have the powers or means to fight the Avengers the way they did. It wasn't PIS or bad writing.
Yes. It was. Sauron got punked by Jubilee alone. And is often punked by low-grade characters like Morph. Seriously. They could have thought of a better villain than him.
Wrecker was more interesting. But if they added the ENTIRE Wrecking Crew than it would have been more viable than relying on spider-phermones to "defeat" him.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Well you might want to worry more about your own humiliation. It's not good to present false statements as fact.
Honey, the only one continually humilated is you. Remember you crawling on your knees begging for forgiveness that last time we argued? You groveled than and you'll grovel now.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I've said before that Sauron hypnotizing all the Avengers was not PIS because it has precedent. It's one of his powers.
Iron Man has tech that rivals the Celestials. I refuse to believe that Cyclops can resist its effects but not Iron Man or Captain America.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Hand Ninjas? Always used as plot fodder. Not every villain can be a Galactus. Marvel has a lot of street and the Avengers did manhandle the Ninjas.
Not for the AVENGERS. They should be handling Count Nefaria and Ultron. Not NINJAS. Pfft.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
his is bad? Should only the A-listers have any time to shine?
Not necessarily. It's just quite annoying to see some unknown character like the Top dominate the comic.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
ou're an admitted DC fanboy. The only time I remember defending a Marvel storyline against you was HoM issue 7. However, there were numerous times you've shown up on a Marvel post to talk trash.
I don't post trash. You do. Remember saying IC is nothing but a marketing ploy to drain comic buyers money? Yeah....
I'm DC AND Marvel fanboy. I like both companies. And read both companies as equally as I can. If I was a DC fanboy I wouldn't read anything Marvel now would I? You're fanboy because A) you refuse to accept faults in "your" company and B) you believe criticism to DC as equivalent as insulting your grandmother. Which is damn sad...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Or does "OMG New Avengers fighting Silver Samurai! That is so lame! lollolol Get some real villains" Not even sound a little familiar? Remember when I mentioned putting your foot in your mouth?
I don't recall you ever putting my foot in my mouth. I would still feel soreness. However I have made you crawl to me in PM for forgiveness if that's what you mean.
And yes the thought of Silver Samarai fighting the New Avengers was lame. Hopefully the Collective will be a major threat for once.
For the record, I didn't criticize your opinion. I corrected when you said Spiderman was an extremely rich character who couldn't possibly relate to the everyman.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
You don't remember me saying, "You're wrong. The other storyline is awesome"? Well that's because it didn't happen. That's something you interjected into the arguement. Another false statement like the above quote.
For a person with an imagines criticisms as insults....
It wasn't implictly stated no. But it was certainly implied.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
You know it's false. You know I don't defend every Marvel story with "fanatical ravishings". It's just not true.
Again. Denial is often the bastard child of hypocrisy.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
But really, in my eyes, I don't care what you think. I'm just trying to provide a little truth to the forum. Take that as you will.
Your opinion isn't truth. It's an OPINION. You're incredibly delusional...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Actually it was an accusation that you didn't even attempt to deny.
I get accusations from you every day. I'm half-expecting you to yell "WITCH" one day...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I defended issue 7 of HoM. I agree that overall the story was slow paced and did not live up to the hype. However, I will not call it a "trajedy" or an "awful story" or anything like that. It was alright..
NOW you say so. Jesus Christ, with the way you reacted you made it seem like you were the Pagemaster of the HoM series...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
It's funny that you brought up that Grant Morrison issue. I remember reading online that people were saying Countdown to IC crapped all over Morrison's run on the JLA. With making Maxwell Lord evil and murdering Ted Kord and what not. Sorry to divulge off topic a little bit myself.
Not really, no. I don't see that. There are alot of Morrison fanatics outthere. If you mean that IC split up the JLA than yeah I guess...
Originally posted by 8bitChris
So it looks like he might be getting a little crapped on all over the place.Certain big name writers tend to put their stories first and not think ahead and realize that new people will take over the comic after them.
Actually Morrison DID put failsafes in place for writers to work their way around the Magneto thing. Namely the Sublime villain. Sublime controlled Magneto. The writers could have worked their way around it. But they failed or just didn't want to.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Or in Morrison's X-universe case; writing a story into continuity that affects the WHOLE Marvel Universe.
I didn't mind reducing the mutant population TOO much. But having Wanda wave her magic wand and say "no more mutants?" Cop-out.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
No it doesn't. I don't get like this with a lot of people. You on occasion. But that's what MBs are for.
Yes it does. You post a thread pertaining to a Marvel storyline. Someone says something you don't like. We all hear a yipping noise....
Originally posted by 8bitChris
I'm done Draco. I think we ruined the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman thread.
Oh stop. It's fine. People are still posting.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Go ahead and reply if you want. I probably wont respond, but if I do it'll be through PM.
Only if it's another grovel PM like the last time...
Oh well, I almost walked away from it until I read the "grovel" part. I tried being adult and keeping it off the thread. So much for me being the bigger man and walking away eh? Here I am to witness Draco have another "proverbial" patting of his own back. I'll be as civil as I can under the current circumstances. However, I can only tolerate so much sh!t talking and bs.
I read your last post up and you called me a hypocrite for not posting on threads where I havn't read the story or have sufficient knowledge to actually contribute to the thread. How is that hypocritical? If following common sense makes me a hypocrite than so be it.
You're not making any sense. Or whatever sense you think you're making, it's incomprehensible.
All you're doing is wagging your jaw making up stories in your head about me being raving Marvel lunatic. Which we both know isn't the case.
Go ahead and post the PM for all I care. Just don't edit it so you can showcase your talent for not presenting facts. All it'll do is imply that your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff anyway. lol
Stop crying. You're the big mature hero here. You got nothing.
You're being astonishingly paranoid....There is no conspiracy, honey....it's all in your head.....
It wasn't implictly stated no. But it was certainly implied
It's remarkable that you can post those two things on the same thread. If you don't get it, well...I don't want to have to draw another map for you to follow. You have enough trouble figuring out what i'm trying to say.
I admit i've tooted Marvel's horn on this forum and talked about stories that i've liked. I've also talked about crap stories that I collect like Uncanny X-men etc...
Fact of the matter is, I wouldn't make a thread about a story I didn't like. I will criticize stories that I have read and don't like though.
Yes, I've enjoyed "The Other."
No, I Never Said Draco's Opinion of "The Other" Was A Bad Opinion
Whatever implications you have in regards to that; it's all in your head honey.
I guess that pretty much takes care of this whole arguement. Oh, and Peter Parker isn't rich and there is no Avengers Stipend. You've pretty much conceded to everything else i've said as well.
Honestly bro, you don't see the hypocrisy in your demanding of maturity and the nature of your posts?
Try refuting my points every now and then instead of blatantly attacking me. This is one is for Cresh; I think the term is Ad Hominem (Yes, i'm guilty of it too. However, I still get my points across instead of throwing insult after insult. Well, until now anyway. I've reached my personal limit. Oh well, just as long as the points are still there.)
(See? I have a little sense of humor too. 😛)
Oh and since you mentioned it I might as well talk about it. If you don't see IC as being as much of a marketing ploy as HoM...Honestly, DC wrote it to milk over 700 dollars (Sad but true; hundreds more than HoM) of your money out of your pocket... If you can't see that, then you need a reality check. Why all the hype? Why not let the good story tell itself? After you drop over a 1000 dollars into IC and it's DC-wide tie-ins with essential parts of the story and the 52 series spinning out of it....Ask yourself if the story really was that good. To tell the truth, i'm having a little buyers' remorse for all the HoM stuff i've got. Thankfully there is ebay.
I think "Crisis on Infinite Wallets" is one of the funniest names i've heard in a long time. I wish I could take credit for it; but that was someone elses creation.
Down with line-wide crossovers.
I think Marvel already did something like this a while ago...it was called Man-Spider saga or something...oh yeah, what about that saga where Spider-Man turned to be more spider-like, until finally dying as a giant Spider and giving birth to himself?
This Other saga is nothing new...😕
I was waiting for something more different. 🙁
I gotta give you my opinion of the Other so far...
due to the extreme lack of relevance to the title of this sotry so far, I have come to the conclusion that The Other... is infact The Spider.
There are two sides to Spiderman.... obviously The Spider, and The Man. The Man just died, but The Spider remains, leaving one to assume that the other is the spider. The Spider will weave the cuccoon or something like that in Mk#21 to everyones surprise.
