Bah! here are the scans now.
Using her light powers on the remnant men
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Using her light to calm mutated Puck
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All can be found in the AF respect thread.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Stalemate at best for Aurora but if Hulk manages to get hsi hand son her its going ot get messy. Hulk's durability combined with his healing factor give him massive sayig power. Also the much vaunted "99% the speed of light" only applies in vacuum.
Doesn't matter, the twins cruising speed was mach 10 no way is Hulk going to touch that. If they wanted to go faster they would cause damage to themselves and the environment.
Now with her speed combined with her calming light, which would make Hulk weaker and the ability to rip apart his molecules...durability doesn't really come into play.
She blinds him then what? His eyse regenerate pretyt quickly.
Calm him down, possible. That is if she treis it at the very begining if she throws so much as one punch it won't work again. Calming down a twisted version of a former freind is one thing, calming down a hoping mad Hulk is quite another. The only times I remeber him being calmed down were when it was someon he wasn;t activley fighting at the time.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Doesn't matter, the twins cruising speed was mach 10 no way is Hulk going to touch that. If they wanted to go faster they would cause damage to themselves and the environment.Now with her speed combined with her calming light, which would make Hulk weaker and the ability to rip apart his molecules...durability doesn't really come into play.
Durability does come into play. When has she ripped apart someone as durable as the Hulk. And two wheter it is a broken bone ore having the flsh flayed off of him the Hulk's crazy healing factor allwo him to bounce right back.
Originally posted by Warmonger
She blinds him then what? His eyse regenerate pretyt quickly.Calm him down, possible. That is if she treis it at the very begining if she throws so much as one punch it won't work again. Calming down a twisted version of a former freind is one thing, calming down a hoping mad Hulk is quite another. The only times I remeber him being calmed down were when it was someon he wasn;t activley fighting at the time.
She doesn't even need to blind him, she can move so fast she could hit him multiple times before he could do anything. Actually not really, Hulk in Marvel fanfare #24 [I believe that's the number] he was ready to kill a Indian but his words calmed his rage down. She can throw more than one punch in one second, she;s insanely fast.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Durability does come into play. When has she ripped apart someone as durable as the Hulk. And two wheter it is a broken bone ore having the flsh flayed off of him the Hulk's crazy healing factor allwo him to bounce right back.
Not really with the light calming Hulk his strength decreases and thus his durability goes down. If that were the case Hulk would never ever have been knocked out in his life. This is his molecules being ripped apart not just blunt force trauma.
Here she is using her concussion blasts
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
She doesn't even need to blind him, she can move so fast she could hit him multiple times before he could do anything. Actually not really, Hulk in Marvel fanfare #24 [I believe that's the number] he was ready to kill a Indian but his words calmed his rage down. She can throw more than one punch in one second, she;s insanely fast.Not really with the light calming Hulk his strength decreases and thus his durability goes down. If that were the case Hulk would never ever have been knocked out in his life. This is his molecules being ripped apart not just blunt force trauma.
She isn't super strong so in order to deliver the amount of punchse within the space of time it would take to over come Hulk's durability combined with his healing abilites mean sshe would subejct herself to being within armshot of the Hulk. So unless she is faster than Gladiator (and I don't think she is) sooner or later Hulk is going to hit/catch her.
also one sonic clap within about 20 feet and he would probably knock her unconcious.
Aslo you are assumign that her punches can knock him out. Look at Northstar he didn't knock him out. Heck he really just seemed surprised that he actually felt it. Hulk cna and has delt with speesters before.
Also while those blasts are pretty I don;t see them puttingdown the Hulk.
Also what difference does it make wheter you lose an arm because of a mlecular attack or simply having itn brunt off its still gone. Yetthe Hulk would heal it bakc the same. Arorua can't deliver enough punishment to the hulk to kill him in the time it would take where as she is well within his reach if she tries to.
Originally posted by Warmonger
She isn't super strong so in order to deliver the amount of punchse within the space of time it would take to over come Hulk's durability combined with his healing abilites mean sshe would subejct herself to being within armshot of the Hulk. So unless she is faster than Gladiator (and I don't think she is) sooner or later Hulk is going to hit/catch her.also one sonic clap within about 20 feet and he would probably knock her unconcious.
Aslo you are assumign that her punches can knock him out. Look at Northstar he didn't knock him out. Heck he really just seemed surprised that he actually felt it. Hulk cna and has delt with speesters before.
Also while those blasts are pretty I don;t see them puttingdown the Hulk.
Once again it's not about strength it's about the abilities. She "speeds" up an object tearing apart the molecules. That's greatly different from blunt force trauma. Also with her light abilities she can calm him down making him more timid and weak leaving him open for mutliple "speed up" attacks. Also with her being fast and heigtned reflexes moving around the Hulk and attacking all angles is quite an easy feat for an experienced speedster.
She's faster than the speed of sound [avoids sonic boom], and if she is caught in the wave her body is capable of withstanding speeds of mach 10 allowing her to breath and not be destroyed from wind resistance. Would it hurt? sure, but she can still keep going.
Reread the first post, the first pic specifically. Her attacks are different from Northstar. She touches and speeds up a object charging up the molecules and "causing them to tear apart". That pic was to show even with her superspeed she can physically hurt him with her punches. Correction he was not just suprized he felt pain. "RARRGH! HULK FELT THAT! PUNY HUMAN HAS HURT HULK."
Neither do I, these were meant to show her abilities
Originally posted by Warmonger
Also what difference does it make wheter you lose an arm because of a mlecular attack or simply having itn brunt off its still gone. Yetthe Hulk would heal it bakc the same. Arorua can't deliver enough punishment to the hulk to kill him in the time it would take where as she is well within his reach if she tries to.
If she attacks the molecules in the chest, head [brain] or specifically the heart she could kill him. Why would she just attack his arm? Also Aurora can deliver as much punishment as she wants with her speed and her light powers making him weaker.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Once again it's not about strength it's about the abilities. She "speeds" up an object tearing apart the molecules. That's greatly different from blunt force trauma. Also with her light abilities she can calm him down making him more timid and weak leaving him open for mutliple "speed up" attacks. Also with her being fast and heigtned reflexes moving around the Hulk and attacking all angles is quite an easy feat for an experienced speedster.She's faster than the speed of sound [avoids sonic boom], and if she is caught in the wave her body is capable of withstanding speeds of mach 10 allowing her to breath and not be destroyed from wind resistance. Would it hurt? sure, but she can still keep going.
Reread the first post, the first pic specifically. Her attacks are different from Northstar. She touches and speeds up a object charging up the molecules and "causing them to tear apart". That pic was to show even with her superspeed she can physically hurt him with her punches. Correction he was not just suprized he felt pain. "RARRGH! HULK FELT THAT! PUNY HUMAN HAS [B]HURT
HULK."Neither do I, these were meant to show her abilities
If she attacks the molecules in the chest, head [brain] or specifically the heart she could kill him. Why would she just attack his arm? Also Aurora can deliver as much punishment as she wants with her speed and her light powers making him weaker. [/B]
Ok two things. First of all she ain't gonna calm Hulk down in the middle of him fighting her. Since this is a vs fight Hulk at least knows who his enemy is. I don't have the comic but several time sHulk has fought a speester (I think his name is whizer or something) basically the was real fst and he had adamantium blades. The other speedster Hulk has fought is Gladiator. Both of these are really fast but were both surprsed at how fast the Hulk is when he is ready. I don't belive that she could stay close enough to dmage him without subjecting herself to retaliation. Also a pic taking out of context tends to lose its meaning. Perhaps you should post the rest of the Northstar/Hulk altercation cause I think there is more to it.
Second there is not telling if her attack will work on the Hulk or how much damage it would do. Gladiaotor burned a hole through the Hulk through to his heart with his heat vision but Hulk still kicked his can. Wolverine's celestial sword bounced off of Hulk's skin. Vector who's powers work like a disintigration beam had to hold his beam on the Hulk for quite some time whie it started withering Hulk down to a charred husk. Yet Hulk still walked through it and punched him.
The reason I said it was a stalemate is because she can stay out of his reach as long as she doesn't try to stay in Hulk's range long enough to allow hulk to retaliate.
Also the Hulk's Thuderclap has kncoked down Super tough guys like Ironman and evne Wonderman. Aurora certainly has some protection but its assumign too mcuh that a near nuklear force thudnerclap will be nothign to her.
Also the Hulk has withstood those disintigration beams from Marvel: The End. The smae ones that killed Namor.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Ok two things. First of all she ain't gonna calm Hulk down in the middle of him fighting her. Since this is a vs fight Hulk at least knows who his enemy is. I don't have the comic but several time sHulk has fought a speester (I think his name is whizer or something) basically the was real fst and he had adamantium blades. The other speedster Hulk has fought is Gladiator. Both of these are really fast but were both surprsed at how fast the Hulk is when he is ready. I don't belive that she could stay close enough to dmage him without subjecting herself to retaliation. Also a pic taking out of context tends to lose its meaning. Perhaps you should post the rest of the Northstar/Hulk altercation cause I think there is more to it.Once again I'm repeating myself yes she can calm the Hulk down. Hell, even in a feral rage in Exiles Alpha Flight's Shaman calmed down the Hulk while he was fighing Thunderbird allowing him to kick the crap out of him. Whizer sucked he could go like 175 mph. Also I know who your talking about and he messed Hulk up pretty good. Yes, once again Whizzer was taking on a enraged Hulk, which Aurora can calm. She couldn't stay close enough? why not she has superspeed, Hulk does not. Calm on now. What are you talking about? read the caption over the Northstar/Hulk pic. Did I say he ko'ed him? no I said even with her superspeed she can hurt him. That was the point. If written correctly Hulk would not be able to touch Aurora or Northstar due to their speed, and superhuman reflexes.
Second there is not telling if her attack will work on the Hulk or how much damage it would do. Gladiaotor burned a hole through the Hulk through to his heart with his heat vision but Hulk still kicked his can. Wolverine's celestial sword bounced off of Hulk's skin. Vector who's powers work like a disintigration beam had to hold his beam on the Hulk for quite some time whie it started withering Hulk down to a charred husk. Yet Hulk still walked through it and punched him.
The reason I said it was a stalemate is because she can stay out of his reach as long as she doesn't try to stay in Hulk's range long enough to allow hulk to retaliate.
Yes, that's a fully enraged Hulk. A weakened Hulk would not be as strong or feral or durable. That's the point of the calming light. If he freaks out she can keep blasting with the light calming down. If the Hulk was in a berserk fury sure his durabiliy is insane, but Aurora's abilities are a bad matchup for him. While physical blows hurt, ripping apart your molecules would do a heck of a lot more damage.
Well she has super reflexes, like she had to be able to cruise at mach 10 and not collide into things.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Also the Hulk's Thuderclap has kncoked down Super tough guys like Ironman and evne Wonderman. Aurora certainly has some protection but its assumign too mcuh that a near nuklear force thudnerclap will be nothign to her.Also the Hulk has withstood those disintigration beams from Marvel: The End. The smae ones that killed Namor.
Did I say it would be nothing to her? no. Why are you making it implying I said things when I didn't?
Marvel the End is not normal contintinuity, never use them in debates. It's the same for the Hulk: The End who had heightened healing from being overexposed by radiation. These are possible futures, not the future. Also GAH! Hulk enraged has insane durability, but once again Aurora can calm the Hulk down, meaning no strength increases. You make it sound like Hulk has never lost a battle.
Hulk's speed
Resisting Mind actual mind control not just pretty lights from the Stranger...
Ringmaster...
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Did I say it would be nothing to her? no. Why are you making it implying I said things when I didn't?Marvel the End is not normal contintinuity, never use them in debates. It's the same for the Hulk: The End who had heightened healing from being overexposed by radiation. These are possible futures, not the future. Also GAH! Hulk enraged has insane durability, but once again Aurora can calm the Hulk down, meaning no strength increases. You make it sound like Hulk has never lost a battle.
Now who is putting words into who's mouth? I never said the Hulkj can't be beat but Aurora isn't the one to do it.
Her calming light won't work on the Hulk. The hulk has resisted many powerful mind control attacks.
A hole in your chest casued by a disintigration attack is no different ta a hole caused by a super strong punch when it comes to healing it.
Marvel: The End is continuity. Why because the Thanos monthly picked up where it left off and the events did happen.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Hulk's speedResisting Mind actual mind control not just pretty lights from the Stranger...
Ringmaster...
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/5848/ringmaster0oi.jpg
haha, and that proves what? Quicksilver back in the day was like 250 mph tops. Hulk's actually damn well near his speed in running.
Man, lights have been shown several times to calm Hulk [Exiles #6]. These are not pretty lights. Read it again Stranger was happy he was being filled with rage, it's like he wasn't even trying or care Hulk moved. Hell, even vocal words such as friend from an Indian has calmed him down. These lights are not hostile or threaten Hulk, so they give him no reason to be mad.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Now who is putting words into who's mouth? I never said the Hulkj can't be beat but Aurora isn't the one to do it.Her calming light won't work on the Hulk. The hulk has resisted many powerful mind control attacks.
A hole in your chest casued by a disintigration attack is no different ta a hole caused by a super strong punch when it comes to healing it.
Marvel: The End is continuity. Why because the Thanos monthly picked up where it left off and the events did happen.
No your making it seem like he can't be knocked out at all due to his healing factor and durability, which can be weakened by Aurora. Her light calms people, Hulk calm is weak.
Wrong, it worked in Exiles.
NOOOO...are you listening to me? Aurora calms the Hulk down meaning Hulk is not as his strongest or fueld with rage
Ok, my mistake. Doesn't change the fact that Aurora can weaken the Hulk and yes her light powers can work. Many things have worked on Hulk to calm him down.
In Exiles the Hulk wasn't fighting anyone and james was just trying to keep the Hulk calm. Unitl deadpool shot him in the back then he flipped out. At no point during the middle of a battle did he calm the Hulk down. It was before when the Hulk wasn't evne trying to fight anyone but just over heard them talking.
