Originally posted by Warmonger
In Exiles the Hulk wasn't fighting anyone and james was just trying to keep the Hulk calm. Unitl deadpool shot him in the back then he flipped out. At no point during the middle of a battle did he calm the Hulk down. It was before when the Hulk wasn't evne trying to fight anyone but just over heard them talking.
No your wrong, notice during the fight after Shaman after he sunk Hulk into the ground. He was using a light calming the Hulk in mid-fight making him weaker. When Deadpool shot Hulk in the back of the head it was Hulk who attacked them. I have the issue.
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Notice when Shaman busts out the light spell, Thunderbird takes control
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No your making it seem like he can't be knocked out at all due to his healing factor and durability, which can be weakened by Aurora. Her light calms people, Hulk calm is weak.Wrong, it worked in Exiles.
NOOOO...are you listening to me? Aurora calms the Hulk down meaning Hulk is not as his strongest or fueld with rage
Ok, my mistake. Doesn't change the fact that Aurora can weaken the Hulk and yes her light powers can work. Many things have worked on Hulk to calm him down.
Aurora can't knock him out because she can't generate enough offense to do it. Where as the Hulk can knock her out because an omni directional Thunderclap isn't wind its concussive force similar in strenthg to the Hulk's punch whihc will probably kill her.
The Hulk has resisted severl attempts at midn control even pleasent ones meant to calm. There is no reason to belive that this one has to work. While ther is evidence to show that Hulk won't be affected by it. If the Hulk were fighting someone else and she hadn't already attacked him and jsut tried to calm him down it MIGHT work, maybe. Other than that the chance of it working is pretty slim to none.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Even pleasent forms of mind control don't work.more
calm him down nope...
1st one-Isn't even Savage Hulk. So how is that even an arguement?
2nd-It was himself that stopped him not an external force, so how is that an arguement?
3rd-Not what the light does, it's not mind control. It's not hostile it's not an attack, so Hulk has no reason to get angry like if his mind is being attacked.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Aurora can't knock him out because she can't generate enough offense to do it. Where as the Hulk can knock her out because an omni directional Thunderclap isn't wind its concussive force similar in strenthg to the Hulk's punch whihc will probably kill her.The Hulk has resisted severl attempts at midn control even pleasent ones meant to calm. There is no reason to belive that this one has to work. While ther is evidence to show that Hulk won't be affected by it. If the Hulk were fighting someone else and she hadn't already attacked him and jsut tried to calm him down it MIGHT work, maybe. Other than that the chance of it working is pretty slim to none.
Yes she can she can speed up the molecules in the Hulk tearing them apart. With him being weakened and yes he would be weakened, he would take more damage. Probally not, since her body can manuver the sound wave and if somehow she is caught in it her body is made to withstand these types of things.
The light isn't mind control, it's a soothing light. There have been evidence to show the light did work in Exiles. I feel like I'm just repeating myself so I'm not going further
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No your wrong, notice during the fight after Shaman after he sunk Hulk into the ground. He was using a light calming the Hulk in mid-fight making him weaker. When Deadpool shot Hulk in the back of the head it was Hulk who attacked them. I have the issue.http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p14.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p17.jpg
Notice when Shaman busts out the light spell, Thunderbird takes control
Man are you kidding?
Shaman didn't even bust out the spell. Warpath just jumeped the gun and started attacking Hulk as soon as he started sinking. So you don't know if it would even work because Shaman never got around to it.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Man are you kidding?Shaman didn't even bust out the spell. Warpath just jumeped the gun and started attacking Hulk as soon as he started sinking. So you don't know if it would even work because Shaman never got around to it.
Are you blind? that light in Shaman's hand is the attack. Also yes it worked, because after he pulled it out Thunderbird destroyed the Hulk. Hulk put up no defence after that, and he has taken more serious blow but he was out.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
1st one-Isn't even Savage Hulk. So how is that even an arguement?2nd-It was himself that stopped him not an external force, so how is that an arguement?
3rd-Not what the light does, it's not mind control. It's not hostile it's not an attack, so Hulk has no reason to get angry like if his mind is being attacked.
1st ok sure.
2nd. Hulk resited the Mindcontrol that is the point.
3rd- comet man wasn't trying to mind control Hulk he was trying to pitch a calming thought to the Hulk in order to calm him down.
Originally posted by Warmonger
1st ok sure.2nd. Hulk resited the Mindcontrol that is the point.
3rd- comet man wasn't trying to mind control Hulk he was trying to pitch a calming thought to the Hulk in order to calm him down.
2nd-Her light attacks are NOT mind control
3rd-He invaded his mind, anyone can take that as hostile. This is a completly different attack and there have been many things that have calmed the Hulk. What was even happening before this incident?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes she can she can speed up the molecules in the Hulk tearing them apart. With him being weakened and yes he would be weakened, he would take more damage. Probally not, since her body can manuver the sound wave and if somehow she is caught in it her body is made to withstand these types of things.The light isn't mind control, it's a soothing light. There have been evidence to show the light did work in Exiles. I feel like I'm just repeating myself so I'm not going further
He wouldn't e weakend by her light cause it wouldn't work you haven't show any evidence to support this.
The massive Hulbuster armors are designed to withstand such forces but were totaled when Hulk did it and Aurora will be too. If an Ionic being like Wonderman can get kncoked out the sky by it so can Aurora.
The light didn't even happen in Exiles.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Are you blind? that light in Shaman's hand is the attack. Also yes it worked, because after he pulled it out Thunderbird destroyed the Hulk. Hulk put up no defence after that, and he has taken more serious blow but he was out.
The glowing rock in his hand looks like the remnants of the first spell he cast. If its a soothing light spell where is it Hulk can't even see the rock in Shaman's hand.
Originally posted by Warmonger
He wouldn't e weakend by her light cause it wouldn't work you haven't show any evidence to support this.The massive Hulbuster armors are designed to withstand such forces but were totaled when Hulk did it and Aurora will be too. If an Ionic being like Wonderman can get kncoked out the sky by it so can Aurora.
The light didn't even happen in Exiles.
Evidence? first pic has Shaman telling him he is about to use the light to calm him. The next he uses it and Hulk gets a beat down.....compelling I know.
Once again, this is full raged Hulk battling them. Aurora can calm him and for the love of god yes she can calm him.
Yes it did.
Originally posted by Warmonger
The glowing rock in his hand looks like the remnants of the first spell he cast. If its a soothing light spell where is it Hulk can't even see the rock in Shaman's hand.
What? no the first time he pulls out dust and throws it on the ground, the next we see the line marks like Shaman just pulled something out of his poutch. Ummmm.....haha, so you have to stare at light to "light" up a room. You don't need to look a light, you feel it it surrounds the entire area. Even when Nortstar and Aurora join hands they blind people who arn't even looking at them directly.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Evidence? first pic has Shaman telling him he is about to use the light to calm him. The next he uses it and Hulk gets a beat down.....compelling I know.Once again, this is full raged Hulk battling them. Aurora can calm him and for the love of god yes she can calm him.
Yes it did.
No what shaman says is that if he can immobalize him THEN he can use a light spell. The first spell blows the hole in the ground at which point Warpath says good work and jumps on him. Shaman wanted to hold him still and calm him down he never intended for Proudstar to jump all over him.
Wait a second I have that comic. My freind has it so I cna't look at it but you are mistaken. You put the two pics right after each other as if one happened right after the other.
In fact after Warpath attacks Hulk and starts to get his ass whupped, it is not until he freaks out and goes into war mode that he begins to beat the Hulk. So even if he had cast the spell as you said it didn't work.
Originally posted by Warmonger
No what shaman says is that if he can immobalize him THEN he can use a light spell. The first spell blows the hole in the ground at which point Warpath says good work and jumps on him. Shaman wanted to hold him still and calm him down he never intended for Proudstar to jump all over him.Wait a second I have that comic. My freind has it so I cna't look at it but you are mistaken. You put the two pics right after each other as if one happened right after the other.
In fact after Warpath attacks Hulk and starts to get his ass whupped, it is not until he freaks out and goes into war mode that he begins to beat the Hulk. So even if he had cast the spell as you said it didn't work.
and that proves what? he wanted to immobilize him so he throws the dust on the ground causing an earthquake giving him time to perform the light spell. Didn't I say that anyways? Also once again so what if THunderbird jumped on him, that has nothing to do with his light plan, which T-bird didn't know anything about.
No I didn't, check the urls. 2 pages are missing [1st is Hulk pounding on T-Bird, then t-bird grabs him and lifts him in the air, next is the scan I posted]. T-bird attacks a calm Hulk thanks to Shaman's spell, and that's why he easily ko'ed him when others have done the same thing failed.
Yeah, and Hulk has taken much more punishment before and kepted fighting even you yourself said that. Shaman's spell was going on when he is pounding his head in, tell me when a spell of Shaman's has never worked. When even before he clearly says what he is going to do and how he is going to use it. Stop denying the facts.
Hulk has resisted many forms of mind control and a thunderclap would probably kill her If hulk was really angry she would not be able to calm him down. Hulk has defeated many people that are faster than him such as speed freak and her speed would not be a factor. Her attacks would not even affect because of his healing factor and durability one hit from hulk would hurt her bad if not kill her. there is no way she can beat hulk.
Originally posted by Eternity
Hulk has resisted many forms of mind control and a thunderclap would probably kill her If hulk was really angry she would not be able to calm him down. Hulk has defeated many people that are faster than him such as speed freak and her speed would not be a factor. Her attacks would not even affect because of his healing factor and durability one hit from hulk would hurt her bad if not kill her. there is no way she can beat hulk.
GAH! She and ALpha FLight have dealt with Hulk before. She knows to calm him to surive. Meaning she would blast him with her light attacks first. Also even berserk rage Hulk can be calmed, why do people keep saying he can't be.
Speedfreak
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/speedfreek.htm
" Speedfreek fought with the Hulk, momentarily incapacitating him by impaling him on one of his adamantium blades. Speedfreek then went to find Larry again, but was again opposed by the Hulk. Hulk, realizing he could not get near Speedfreek without being slashed again, threw a car battery at Speedfreek. Speedfreek slashed the car battery in two and the acid poured all over his face, causing Speedfreek immeasurable pain, and causing him to retreat. "
Aurora is faster and has super human reflexes.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and that proves what? he wanted to immobilize him so he throws the dust on the ground causing an earthquake giving him time to perform the light spell. Didn't I say that anyways? Also once again so what if THunderbird jumped on him, that has nothing to do with his light plan, which T-bird didn't know anything about.No I didn't, check the urls. 2 pages are missing [1st is Hulk pounding on T-Bird, then t-bird grabs him and lifts him in the air, next is the scan I posted]. T-bird attacks a calm Hulk thanks to Shaman's spell, and that's why he easily ko'ed him when others have done the same thing failed.
Yeah, and Hulk has taken much more punishment before and kepted fighting even you yourself said that. Shaman's spell was going on when he is pounding his head in, tell me when a spell of Shaman's has never worked. When even before he clearly says what he is going to do and how he is going to use it. Stop denying the facts.
Man you are totally spinning this thing.
First of all you put the two pages together as if one happened right after the other. Then you said that as soon as Shaman cast his light spell Warpath dominated Hulk.
THe problem with this is that those two pages are important to wee wheter Shaman did cast any sor of spell at all or ven if it had any effect.
Whter or not he cast any such spell Warpath didn't beat Hulk until he went into war mode. So evne if he cast a spell it wasn't working cause James was getting his head kicked in unitl he went berserk.
Also Warptaht in a a later issue told Nocturne that the Hulk was severly weakened from being sperated with Banner.
You should post the other pages between the spell and when Warpath actually knocks him out cause aother wise it looks like your trying to spin something.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Man you are totally spinning this thing.First of all you put the two pages together as if one happened right after the other. Then you said that as soon as Shaman cast his light spell Warpath dominated Hulk.
THe problem with this is that those two pages are important to wee wheter Shaman did cast any sor of spell at all or ven if it had any effect.
Whter or not he cast any such spell Warpath didn't beat Hulk until he went into war mode. So evne if he cast a spell it wasn't working cause James was getting his head kicked in unitl he went berserk.
Also Warptaht in a a later issue told Nocturne that the Hulk was severly weakened from being sperated with Banner.
You should post the other pages between the spell and when Warpath actually knocks him out cause aother wise it looks like your trying to spin something.
No I didn't, what I posted was the explanation of the light attack and then him doing the light attack. Since my point was light can calm him. If I wanted to post the fight I would have posted scans from start to finish. Below I posted the scans from the earthquake to spell cast.
How does that prove it was not working? T-Bird got a strength increase, while Hulk got a decrease due to being calmed down. Man he even said he was going to cast the spell and it shows he did it.
Correction, he said "The Hulk who was at diminished strength, because he was seperated from Bruce Banner". Not severly weakened.
Alright here, they are. See I wasn't spinning anything
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p14.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p15.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p16.jpg
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Prior to the light spell, all he did was grab him.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I didn't, what I posted was the explanation of the light attack and then him doing the light attack. Since my point was light can calm him. If I wanted to post the fight I would have posted scans from start to finish. Below I posted the scans from the earthquake to spell cast.How does that prove it was not working? T-Bird got a strength increase, while Hulk got a decrease due to being calmed down. Man he even said he was going to cast the spell and it shows he did it.
Correction, he said "The Hulk who was at diminished strength, because he was seperated from Bruce Banner". Not severly weakened.
Alright here, they are. See I wasn't spinning anything
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p14.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p15.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p16.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Exiles_6_p17.jpgPrior to the light spell, all he did was grab him.
Dude you don't know wheter or not it is a light spell and you don't know whether or not it worked. What we can tell is that the Hulk is already getting his ass hammered before that panel. And it didn't happen until Warptath went nuts, which has nothing to do with shaman as he does it everytime he gets really angry.
You nver proved that the light calmed him. First he starts beating Warpth's ass, then Warpath goes balistic and returns the favor. Heck you can't even prove that Shamn evencast the spell its is just a glowing rock held in his and. For all you know Shaman didn't evne finish with his first spell.
T-Brid got a strentgh in crease that is for sure. But you don't know whether the Hulk got a strentgh decrese. As Warpath pointed out he was able to K.O the hulk cause he was weaker than normal because he was seperated from banner those are the facts. Hulk getting weaker from the spell is just supposition on your part.
