Is anyone else getting nervous that...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Missing the point.

If it's a war just within those countries, regardless of what arms are used, why should EVERYONE worry? Yes, it's shit, I'm openly saying that...but surely so is any other war. Why not freak out over every war anywhere then? If people dying is your concern.

Nobody loses major sleep over the wars that have been going on there for years.

-AC

WHY? I'll tell you why...Palestinian Arabs and the ones around them suffer from the inability to distinguish between people and politicians.

How many times have we been ALL labelled as "Zionist pigs" for supporting Israel? And you forget the Islamic and Judaistic people who live in America...if a war breaks out over there, how can you guarantee the stability of the ones over HERE?

Remember the race war that nearly broke out from the Crown Heights deal? You seem to forget that Arabs and Jews also exist in America. And any war that starts over there, could easily boil over HERE as nationalistic tensions start to rise in our own backyard.

Arabs and Jews have been a stone throw away (no pun w\regard to Palestinians) to a civil war. And you don't want Jihad in America.

Israel's ties with its allies (the united states and britain) run so deep that whatever happens to Israel, Britain and the U.S. can't help but be involved.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
WHY? I'll tell you why...Palestinian Arabs and the ones around them suffer from the inability to distinguish between people and politicians.

How many times have we been ALL labelled as "Zionist pigs" for supporting Israel? And you forget the Islamic and Judaistic people who live in America...if a war breaks out over there, how can you guarantee the stability of the ones over HERE?

Remember the race war that nearly broke out from the Crown Heights deal? You seem to forget that Arabs and Jews also exist in America. And any war that starts over there, could easily boil over HERE as nationalistic tensions start to rise in our own backyard.

Arabs and Jews have been a stone throw away (no pun w\regard to Palestinians) to a civil war. And you don't want Jihad in America.

You seem to be under the belief that I am an America, I think.

There isn't some boiling pot of arab/jewish tension in England that could result in a possible war. I don't speak for Americans, so I can't say why you shouldn't be worried.

Apparantly you have reason to as your nationalistic tension is obviously a lot greater as a result of the situation, than ours.

Over here, things aren't exactly at breaking point as far as "civilians" go. Not to the degree that anyone here has to worry about an internal war.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You seem to be under the belief that I am an America, I think.

There isn't some boiling pot of arab/jewish tension in England that could result in a possible war. I don't speak for Americans, so I can't say why you shouldn't be worried.

Apparantly you have reason to as your nationalistic tension is obviously a lot greater as a result of the situation, than ours.

-AC

And if nationalists start their shit on your soil or someone else's? How do you know there won't be an explosion of previously unrequited racial tensions in your own backyard? Remember France not long ago?

Just the fact that Arabs\Jews would be at war in their own backyard, would surely affect the ones living in someone else's backyard. You think that Arabs\Jews stop being Arabs and Jews just because they live somewhere else? No they don't. And being there are certified nationalists who are among any population, old habits die hard.

I HOPE nothing will happen, but you don't know, esp. with such a volatile situation as the Arab\Jew deal. Let's hope for the best and hope that common sense will rule the day.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
And if nationalists start their shit on your soil or someone else's? How do you know there won't be an explosion of previously unrequited racial tensions in your own backyard? Remember France not long ago?

Just the fact that Arabs\Jews would be at war in their own backyard, would surely affect the ones living in someone else's backyard. You think that Arabs\Jews stop being Arabs and Jews just because they live somewhere else? No they don't. And being there are certified nationalists who are among any population, old habits die hard.

I HOPE nothing will happen, but you don't know, esp. with such a volatile situation as the Arab\Jew deal. Let's hope for the best and hope that common sense will rule the day.

If it happens here, then I am obviously in danger.

My whole point was that with regards to actual war, I am not. I am in danger of fall out in the event of a nuclear strike as close to home as Israel is. I should have clarified that I meant actual war, but that was my original point.

Point being that not everyone has to worry about full scale war breaking out, purely because in some countries it's not at the level.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If it happens here, then I am obviously in danger.

My whole point was that with regards to actual war, I am not. I am in danger of fall out in the event of a nuclear strike as close to home as Israel is. I should have clarified that I meant actual war, but that was my original point.

Point being that not everyone has to worry about full scale war breaking out, purely because in some countries it's not at the level.

-AC

Thank God it's not at "that" level. Let's hope this is only a nightmare from one of Tom Clancy's upcoming novels..

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Is anyone else getting nervouse that:

-Iran's top politician has again made public statements against Isreal

-Isreal is calling for a halt on Iran's nuclear facilities

-Russia is selling Iran missles capable of delivering nuclear warheads to Isreal.

-That Isreal is testing anti missle defense systems in fear of a future attack?

Concerned? Yes. Worrying about it? No.

If Israel and Iran, or the rest of the Middle East for that matter, decide to fight each other, there is nothing I or anyone else in this world can do about it. The Jews hate the Muslims and the Muslims hate the Jews, our support of Israel getting us the same treatment from the Muslim community by association.

I'm not upset with Israel demanding Iran stop its nuclear activities, and I don't blame them when the truth of the matter is, Iran does indeed have Israel in its sights. Nuclear weapons shouldn't exist and no one should have them (including us).

Originally posted by Capt Fantastic
My point is that Israel needs to be it's own country, not the 51st American state. Alliances are a natural part of the new global reality. They aren't going to go away. But, the WW2 Allies created the nation, without taking into consideration the people who were there at the time. The Palestinians possesed the land before that, and history has given them the right to be there. The Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims. This is where much of the terrorist zeal comes from, in regards to the way they view America and it's allies.

You seem to be jumping around the board with your opinion. Is it wrong to support Israel because a nation should be able to support itself militarily to be considered a valid nation-state, or is it wrong to support Israel because it was 'unjustly placed' by evicting the Palestinians (who evicted the Jews first, if I recall correctly)?

Originally posted by Wanderer259
You seem to be jumping around the board with your opinion. Is it wrong to support Israel because a nation should be able to support itself militarily to be considered a valid nation-state, or is it wrong to support Israel because it was 'unjustly placed' by evicting the Palestinians (who evicted the Jews first, if I recall correctly)?

Around the board?

What are you on? that sounds deep...but is not.

FeceMan fears no such thing.

Then again, FeceMan lacks appropriate levels of fear for many things.

^Like your avatar pic....

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Is anyone else getting nervouse that:

-Iran's top politician has again made public statements against Isreal

-Isreal is calling for a halt on Iran's nuclear facilities

-Russia is selling Iran missles capable of delivering nuclear warheads to Isreal.

-That Isreal is testing anti missle defense systems in fear of a future attack?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Around the board?

What are you on? that sounds deep...but is not.

It wasn't meant to be 'deep' or anything other than asking for clarification. When you say Israel shouldn't be the 51st American state and then talk about the immorality of creating it in the first place, seemingly all in the same point, it just seems odd.

Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong this early in the morning. Don't take it so personally.

Although I don't want Iran to have nuclear capability - and they will imo there's no doubt about that, it's only a matter of time - one should be able to understand the Iranian desire to be a nuclear power and the perception of Western hypocrisy. It is sandwiched between other nuclear powers, Russia is to the north, China to the east and Pakistan and India to the south-east, and most significantly Israel is to the west.
Being labelled as part of an "Axis of Evil." by the world's only hyperpower probably doesn't lessen nuclear ambitions.
N. Korea has nuclear arms, Iraq doesn't.... N. Korea got the carrot, while Iraq got the stick.... Israel manages to have it's cake and eat it too...

step 1 to solve any conflict in that region. Get rid of the Saudi royal family

It's interesting though that there is a prophecy that states that 1/3 of the world would be destroyed......Just thought it was interesting with all that could but hope won't happen over there and escalate.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
step 1 to solve any conflict in that region. Get rid of the Saudi royal family

Man you got THAT one right. These SOB'S pay just about EVERY terror and militia group in the region, and since the majority of 9\11 hijackers were Egyptian, well we can probabaly guess who gave them THAT money too.
I
know Al Qaeda and similar groups hate them for their pro-Western slant, but I think that one hand has been washing the other for years..as long as Al Qaeda gets money and funding, the Saudis stay alive.

Al Qaeda probably could have gotten them YEARS before if they wanted, as they practically run the Middle Eastern backyard, buy why eliminate a good source of money?

And now like most groups with a common enemy, Al Qaeda and the Saudis are benefitting from a mutual, if very uneasy, under the table alliance where one gets money and the other gets their lives in return. I wouldn't put it past them.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
step 1 to solve any conflict in that region. Get rid of the Saudi royal family

they don't support us, they use us, everyone hates them, and they manipulate everything. I still think that Al Qaida may have plannd 9/11, but the saudis financed it and the hijackers were probably well trained Saudi soldiers, not al qaida mujahadeen.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Is anyone else getting nervouse that:

-Iran's top politician has again made public statements against Isreal

-Isreal is calling for a halt on Iran's nuclear facilities

-Russia is selling Iran missles capable of delivering nuclear warheads to Isreal.

-That Isreal is testing anti missle defense systems in fear of a future attack?

No

Iran's top politician is f*****g moron.