Originally posted by Dark Urizen
The OP didn't mention 😉
Prof Hulk isn't as bad and isn't all that powerful
He whould loose most fights ( ie Jugs etc)
And your scan is indeed quite old 😉
Doesn’t prove anything tho lol
Originally posted by kgkg
Well most assume it is Savage Hulk because that's the original and the "normal Hulk"Prof Hulk isn't as bad and isn't all that powerful
He whould loose most fights ( ie Jugs etc)
Looks old was Published in: July 1999
Doesn’t prove anything tho lol
Actually i always thought Mindless Hulk was the original and "normal Hulk".
No he isn't. But it only took a punch to take him out.
Which "most fights" are you refering to? 😕
I agree. It doesn't prove anything.
<<Compare his feats to his powers. Ask yourself if they match in any way>>
not saying it makes sense. it doesn't HAVE to make sense. it IS. it has been SHOWN with CONSISTENCY. therefore, much as i don't like it and disagree, it needs to be accepted. it's why i stopped buying wolverine long before i quit comics altogether.
and you're right, i am missing you're point about hulk. give me an example of someone who you claim had a chance and didn't ko hulk by physical means because of pis/cis. and i never claimed it CAN'T happen. long ago in this thread i said it doesn't happen often. i even allowed that sym might do it. i said i doubt he could and backed it up by saying it hasn't happened often. since it hasn't happened often, i say the chance is in hulk's favor. since it HAS happened, sym HAS a chance.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Compare his feats to his powers. Ask yourself if they match in any way>>not saying it makes sense. it doesn't HAVE to make sense. it IS. it has been SHOWN with CONSISTENCY. therefore, much as i don't like it and disagree, it needs to be accepted. it's why i stopped buying wolverine long before i quit comics altogether.
and you're right, i am missing you're point about hulk. give me an example of someone who you claim had a chance and didn't ko hulk by physical means because of pis/cis. and i never claimed it CAN'T happen. long ago in this thread i said it doesn't happen often. i even allowed that sym might do it. i said i doubt he could and backed it up by saying it hasn't happened often. since it hasn't happened often, i say the chance is in hulk's favor. since it HAS happened, sym HAS a chance.
Thor and Juggs could have concievably done it. Hercules as well, the Super-Humanoid, and more.
As for wolverine, consistently used PIS is still PIS. The fact that he does it so often does not mean that when he acts within his given capabilities, THAT's PIS. It means that's the only decent writing.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Namor, Juggernaut, Abomination, Black Bolt, Iron Man. I belive all of these guys have kncoed the Hulk out there are probably more but I don't know them all.
BB didn't do it with brute force. He used either his voice, or several lightnings.
But yeah, and seeing as how they were able to do it, it's very damn well in S'ym's power to do it himself IMO.
Originally posted by LordKaos
does anybody remember that S'ym is now a techno-organic demon, aside from shapeshifting, he is virtually immortal and indestructible. The only things that seem to slow him down or hurt him are magic (of a high order) and powerful electro-magnetic fields (as generated by magneto).
I think Long Pig didnt mean current one, but rather the one from The Ballad of Belasco, in order to emphasize on the fact that he broke grade A adamantium like it was nothing.
<<Namor, Juggernaut, Abomination, Black Bolt, Iron Man. I belive all of these guys have kncoed the Hulk out there are probably more but I don't know them all.>>
namor did it underwater. bb didn't use force, im did do it after maxing his armor, nearly killing himself AND striking a completely STUNNED hulk. abom did it about 35 years ago in his first appearance. juggs never ko'd savage hulk.
I SAID IT HAS BEEN DONE. I SAID SYM COULD CONCEIVEABLY DO IT. I SAID IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN. IT DOES NOT.
hulk has been and always will be the hallmark for strength in the marvel universe. to say someone SHOULD beat him (which is what is implied in calling down cis/pis -- you are saying this 'other character' would have won a straight up fist fight with hulk except pis/cis intervened) you are also implying that character is stronger than hulk. unless you think that person will outwrestle him or something . . . no one has been proven to be CONSISTENTLY stronger than hulk. juggs? no. herc? no. he and a GAGGLE of avengers fought and BARELY subdued a mindless hulk. thor? got trounced without his hammer. thor also without his hammer appeared stronger than juggs and has stalemated herc everytime. what does THAT imply?
is it possible given the right conditions that they could win a FIST fight against hulk? sure. with surprise or if hulk is stunned. straight up? i doubt it -- at least none of them ever has. hulk's strength doesn't increase with any set timeframe, nor does it stop growing. nor is his base strength much below these others so it's doubtful they ko him with a single shot.
can sym do it? potentially.
do i think it likely? no.
straight up with savage hulk: i say hulk 8/10
other hulks, other results.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Namor, Juggernaut, Abomination, Black Bolt, Iron Man. I belive all of these guys have kncoed the Hulk out there are probably more but I don't know them all.>>namor did it underwater. bb didn't use force, im did do it after maxing his armor, nearly killing himself AND striking a completely STUNNED hulk. abom did it about 35 years ago in his first appearance. juggs never ko'd savage hulk.
I SAID IT HAS BEEN DONE. I SAID SYM COULD CONCEIVEABLY DO IT. I SAID IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN. IT DOES NOT.
hulk has been and always will be the hallmark for strength in the marvel universe. to say someone SHOULD beat him (which is what is implied in calling down cis/pis -- you are saying this 'other character' would have won a straight up fist fight with hulk except pis/cis intervened) you are also implying that character is stronger than hulk. unless you think that person will outwrestle him or something . . . no one has been proven to be CONSISTENTLY stronger than hulk. juggs? no. herc? no. he and a GAGGLE of avengers fought and BARELY subdued a mindless hulk. thor? got trounced without his hammer. thor also without his hammer appeared stronger than juggs and has stalemated herc everytime. what does THAT imply?
is it possible given the right conditions that they could win a FIST fight against hulk? sure. with surprise or if hulk is stunned. straight up? i doubt it -- at least none of them ever has. hulk's strength doesn't increase with any set timeframe, nor does it stop growing. nor is his base strength much below these others so it's doubtful they ko him with a single shot.
can sym do it? potentially.
do i think it likely? no.straight up with savage hulk: i say hulk 8/10
other hulks, other results.
Originally posted by leonidas
and you never did give an example of a character who WOULD have beaten hulk but for pis/cis interference.
You just quoted the examples. What i said was that a Hulk that would be hit via full force by a character as strong as Hercules, Thor, Namor underwater, Abomination, Super Humanoid and others at the beginning of a fight should go down. Why? Because if his durability and strength don't get a chance to increase, or if he's simply overpowered too quickly, he loses. That has been shown in the occurences where he HAS been knocked out by some of these characters at the beginning of the fight.
And seeing as how he HAS been knocked out by some of these characters at the beginning of the fight, it only implies that they could have done it every single time they fought Hulk, simply by attacking forcefully and quickly, at the beginning of the fight.
So why didn't each and every one of these characters knock Hulk out like that even though they're capable of it? That's what i mean by CIS/PIS.
It's like a ten year old kid vs. an 8 year old kid. Only the 8 year old kid can get stronger and more durable than the 10 year old kid, given enough time and annoyance. But technically, the 10 year old kid should be able to knock the 8 year old kid out at the beginning of every fight. So why doesn't he? PIS/CIS.
that's the thing -- NONE of those fights ended 'early' with single knock out shots. hulk's base is underrated in this forum. full force, blind shot by thor probably would ko hulk if he wasn't looking or if he was stunned. hulk merely has to LOOK at an opponent to start to get angry though so his strength already starts to increase BEFORE the fight.,
no one has ever walked up to hulk and ko'd him -- except that recent scene where that guy ko'd hulk in 3 shots. which is why i claimed THAT scene was pis/cis. another character with the same powers (gamma rays, increasing strength) also beat hulk recently, but hulk totalled him in the rematch -- again, not CONSISTENTLY stronger. which is what my point is.
oh, and that sym is CAPABLE of doing it, just not very often imo as this type of fight is exactly up hulk's alley. 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
that's the thing -- NONE of those fights ended 'early' with single knock out shots. hulk's base is underrated in this forum. full force, blind shot by thor probably would ko hulk if he wasn't looking or if he was stunned. hulk merely has to LOOK at an opponent to start to get angry though so his strength already starts to increase BEFORE the fight.,no one has ever walked up to hulk and ko'd him -- except that recent scene where that guy ko'd hulk in 3 shots. which is why i claimed THAT scene was pis/cis. another character with the same powers (gamma rays, increasing strength) also beat hulk recently, but hulk totalled him in the rematch -- again, not CONSISTENTLY stronger. which is what my point is.
oh, and that sym is CAPABLE of doing it, just not very often imo as this type of fight is exactly up hulk's alley. 😉
You're relentless did ya know that? Instead of a cookie i'm gonna reward your relentlesness with a PM with somethin 😄
And i suppose we're just going to have to "agree to disagree". I see this as a match S'ym is more than capable of winning more often than not.
Originally posted by long pigPIS?
He didn't have a hard time at all. He toyed with him, Colossus admitted inferiority and then Wolverine tried to cut him. He couldn't even pierce his skin, but S'ym turned to smash him and Colossus kicked him in a teleporter.PIS
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ColossusandSym.jpg
