Originally posted by Metalmanx
As someone already mentioned, even the very first Iceman from the very first issue of "X-men" could take out Wolverine.It's just not a contest. Any form of Iceman dominates and decimates Wolverine. Wolvie just has no chance against this opponent.
Iceman 15/10.
Very situational. Outside, Iceman wins. In a cage match, Wolverine wins. In a very hot environment... say death valley in the summer, Wolverine wins.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Very situational. Outside, Iceman wins. In a cage match, Wolverine wins. In a very hot environment... say death valley in the summer, Wolverine wins.
Outside, Cage, Death Valley. I doesnt matter, Wolverine still loses.
Its not like a hot environment is gonna melt Iceman. Unless hes in a volcano, near the sun or in 200 degree weather. Maybe the 60's snowman version of Iceman would melt, but not the 90's version.
There is nothing Wolverine can do to him.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Very situational. Outside, Iceman wins. In a cage match, Wolverine wins. In a very hot environment... say death valley in the summer, Wolverine wins.
My God. I HAVE to hear this.
Please, in detail, tell me how Wolverine will win in a cage match. I'd love to hear this. Seriously.
And Death Valley in the Summer? Wolverine still goes down. Iceman absorbs all moisture around him, even if there isn't much. Actually, he'd have a pretty good reserve of moisture from Wolverine's body. So not only would that literally dry Wolverine like a prune, but it also gives Iceman more power.
So please, try again. I'm curious to see how you think Wolverine can win.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
My God. I HAVE to hear this.Please, in detail, tell me how Wolverine will win in a cage match. I'd love to hear this. Seriously.
And Death Valley in the Summer? Wolverine still goes down. Iceman absorbs all moisture around him, even if there isn't much. Actually, he'd have a pretty good reserve of moisture from Wolverine's body. So not only would that literally dry Wolverine like a prune, but it also gives Iceman more power.
So please, try again. I'm curious to see how you think Wolverine can win.
Well, it's just like you said. Moisture, Death Valley... they don't go hand in hand. Check out some weather reading for moisture in Death Valley during the summer 😄 I live in CA. Good look forming ice anywhere around there. Take away iceman's ice and... dead man. By the way, it can reach 130 in Death Valley. Don't think this will affect Iceman? 😉
Originally posted by scotsmn
Well, it's just like you said. Moisture, Death Valley... they don't go hand in hand. Check out some weather reading for moisture in Death Valley during the summer 😄 I live in CA. Good look forming ice anywhere around there. Take away iceman's ice and... dead man. By the way, it can reach 130 in Death Valley. Don't think this will affect Iceman? 😉
Iceman creates ice at sub zero temperatures. If it is 100 degres outside, even 150 degrees, it wouldnt affect Bobby at all.
Iceman can increase his coldness which also increases the temperature around him. Even if Wolverine is close to him, hed be able to feel the extreme drop in temperature.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Well, it's just like you said. Moisture, Death Valley... they don't go hand in hand. Check out some weather reading for moisture in Death Valley during the summer 😄 I live in CA. Good look forming ice anywhere around there. Take away iceman's ice and... dead man. By the way, it can reach 130 in Death Valley. Don't think this will affect Iceman? 😉
not when Ice is just a mask for his real power....moleculer shutdown....he can just stop all molecular motion, down goes wolvie....or as metalman said just take out all of Wolvies moisture, insta runt prune.... 😉 brush up on iceman....
Originally posted by scotsmn
Well, it's just like you said. Moisture, Death Valley... they don't go hand in hand. Check out some weather reading for moisture in Death Valley during the summer 😄 I live in CA. Good look forming ice anywhere around there. Take away iceman's ice and... dead man. By the way, it can reach 130 in Death Valley. Don't think this will affect Iceman? 😉
Did you even read what I wrote? Little moisture or not, there is moisture in Death Valley. I know plenty about DV, thanks. I know it's one of the hottest, if not the hottest region in the country. But, there is still moisture there or absolutely nothing would be able to survive.
Besies, Wolverine is there, too, right? Plenty of moisture right there.
Hell, there's the moisture inside of Bobby, too. He has plenty of moisture to work with. Not that it will even take much at all to destroy Wolverine.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Did you even read what I wrote? Little moisture or not, there is moisture in Death Valley. I know plenty about DV, thanks. I know it's one of the hottest, if not the hottest region in the country. But, there is still moisture there or absolutely nothing would be able to survive.Besies, Wolverine is there, too, right? Plenty of moisture right there.
Hell, there's the moisture inside of Bobby, too. He has plenty of moisture to work with. Not that it will even take much at all to destroy Wolverine.
Moisture in Death Valley? yes... enough? NO. It would take A LOT of moisture to finish the fight and there's just not enough at that location.
And Blaire... 😆 No.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Moisture in Death Valley? yes... enough? NO. It would take A LOT of moisture to finish the fight and there's just not enough at that location.And Blair... 😆 No.
whats no?? are you saying that iceman DOESNT have control over molecules??? seroislly I can pull my info if it will help....it really amazes me how much people underestimate iceman....lemme go find it Ill be back...
here it is....
Bobby Drake could be, potentially, one of the most powerful mutants on the planet. Look at his power. People say “Ooh! He makes ice.” Or
now, “Ooh, he can turn himself into ice!
But let’s step back. Basic physics says that there is no such thing
as “cold”, as a quantative energy form. Only degrees of heat. “Cold” is
a relative term, requiring a difference between the observerd target and
the temperature of the observer. Example:
I’m standing in my office, at a nice 73 degrees. The cabbie outside is
standing on the street, shivering in 40 degrees. To me, he is cold.
Whereas if I were buried in snow at around 20 degrees, I’d consider him
pretty warm.
Right then, we’ve established that there is no such energy form
as “cold”. So, Bobby doesn’t generate cold to form ice, and he doesn’t
generate the moisture himself (imagine how quickly he’d be dehydrated). Therefore, he forms his ice structures from the ambient
moisture in the enviroment around him. To do this he causes the
moisture to freeze.
But how? We know he doesn’t “project cold”, so then he must absorb or
dissipate the heat. By the laws of thermodynamics, energy is constant,
it cannot be created or destroyed. However, let’s go to another scientific
principle. Heat is a measurement of the internal kinetic energy of an
object. The more those atoms and molecules are buzzing
around, the hotter it is.
What Bobby Drake does, as I see it, is project a field that inhibits the
motion of those particles (herein referred to as Brownian Motion) thus
dropping the temperature and freezing the moisture.
However, the amount of water vapor in any given area is not consistent
with the large stunts he regularly pulls of ( Ice slides, ice walls, ect). If
he wer to coalesce that much water vapor in one place and freeze it, the
humidity all along the Eastern Seaboard would drop dramatically, we’d
have wildcat lightning storms all over the place, cats and dogs
living together, it would be anarchy, you see my point.
So that extra frozen mass has to come from somewere. Remember water vapor isn’t the only thing in the air. You have a mixture of all
sorts of gases. One of the most prominent of these is carbon dioxide.
Compared to the other prominent gases in our atmosphere
(nitrogen, the most common, and oxygen), carbon dioxide has a
relatively high temperature (although still incredibly low) at which it
becomes solid. It is my theory that the most part of Bobby’s ice
structures are composed of frozen carbon dioxide, or “dry ice”. This
would explain why Manhattan isn’t flooded everytime his ice slides melt,
since most of it sumblimes into gaseous carbon dioxide.
So, what Bobby does is inhibit the Brownian Motion of objects. He can
do this so quickly that there is no expansion of the target’s water
content, as was seen when he flash-froze Legion completely. Had he
merely frozen all the moisture in Legion’s body, well....put an unopened
can of soda in the freezer sometime. Wait a few days. Watch the results.
Legion would be a messy red chunck when he thawed.
Bobby is an incredibly powerful cryokinetic. But thats not the only extent
to his powers. Since Mikhail’s fiddling, he can transform his entire body
into a water-based organism. In his form of homogenous ice, his
thought processes go on, even though water is a MUCH less efficient
conductor than neurons in the human brain. Basically, Bobby converts
all the molecules of his body into water, and freezes it and molds it as
he moves. He has the capability to assume a completely liquid form (as
Emma did when in control of his body) as well has the ability
to “teleport” by zapping his consciousness through water vapor in the
atmosphere, reforming at his desired location. In AoA, this was referred
to “moisture inversion”. He has also shown the ability to “levitate”
himself though he rarely uses this ability.
Through time and practice Bobby could one day realize his potiental.
Here are somethings that could do through realization and training:
Create a “giant” ice form with corresponding strength and stability
Create and animate multiple ice forms
Coalese all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping
the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical
storms, ect
Inhibiting the moisture in other peoples bodies causing havok on them, or hitching a ride.
As well as many other stunts. In closing, Bobby is a rightful Omega
class powered mutant he just hasnt realized his full potiental as of yet.
and scotsmn 😆 yes ✅
"What Bobby Drake does, ::::::::as I see it::::::::, is project a field that inhibits the motion of those particles (herein referred to as Brownian Motion) thus dropping the temperature and freezing the moisture."
I skimmed it since it was so long but I saw this. All speculation. Real life physics don't always work in comics and this is one of those cases.
Wolverine is not very affected by cold at all. He frequently runs through icey forests without even a shirt... completely naked many times. ::::as I see it:::: his healing factor is causes his body to be extremely resistant against cold.
In an evironment such as Death Valley there's just not enough moisture to defeat Wolverine. Ice man would tire very quickly.
thats only one source (and if you dont read all of it then whats the point in debating with you....it all comes together)....dude its generally accepted truth that iceman can control moleculer motion...get over over it wolvie goes down.....
hes another senerio...he turns into the water vapor in wovies body...and then just absorbs it all his mouisture then leaves....dude too many options.....