Originally posted by Blair Wind
but its attacking EVERYTHING, its not a localized or specific target...iceman is just gonna freeze the moiusture ALREADY in wolvies cells....or just slow the moleculer motion of his body...not just "produce" cold, but actually work on his molecules....its called a flash freeze....done deal
Again, healing factor.
What are you trying to say about the molecules? "work" on his molecules? hmm?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
but its attacking EVERYTHING, its not a localized or specific target...iceman is just gonna freeze the moiusture ALREADY in wolvies cells....or just slow the moleculer motion of his body...not just "produce" cold, but actually work on his molecules....its called a flash freeze....done deal
Don't you understand? Healing factor >>> everything. You can throw Wolverine into the sun, and he'll just get grittier! 🙄
yes....work is gonna be easy...its like he just thinks of it and his molecuels have stopped moving....no more kinetic buzz and no more annoying runts...your comparing two very diffrent things...Iceman attacks him from the inside and out and even within the flesh and muscles....the eviromnent just makes wolvie a little uncomfortable, I give you that, but iceman is more than just the evironment, and alot colder....
Originally posted by Blair Wind
yes....work is gonna be easy...its like he just thinks of it and his molecuels have stopped moving....no more kinetic buzz and no more annoying runts...your comparing two very diffrent things...Iceman attacks him from the inside and out and even within the flesh and muscles....the eviromnent just makes wolvie a little uncomfortable, I give you that, but iceman is more than just the evironment, and alot colder....
Healing factor + warmth of Death Valley for the win.
The heat there adds energy/kinetic energy in case you didn't know...
Originally posted by scotsmn
Healing factor + warmth of Death Valley for the win.The heat there adds energy/kinetic energy in case you didn't know...
The scans you put up, is Wolverine sitting in the snow in Canada. The temp there would probably be anywhere from -5 to -10.
1. Hes not encased in a solid block of Ice.
2. That temperature is nowhere near Icemans temperature.
3. Death Vally is warm, however like stated even 10% humidity in the air is all Iceman needs to do anything.
4. Death Valley isnt as dry as you think.
Originally posted by jrodslam
The scans you put up, is Wolverine sitting in the snow in Canada. The temp there would probably be anywhere from -5 to -10.1. Hes not encased in a solid block of Ice.
2. That temperature is nowhere near Icemans temperature.
3. Death Vally is warm, however like stated even 10% humidity in the air is all Iceman needs to do anything.
4. Death Valley isnt as dry as you think.
Keyword: Summer
Wolverine is not gonna be encased in a solid block of ice since normal humidity in Death Valley during summer is LESS than 10%. That's just about nothing. Houston for example has 100% humidity quite often. Combine the almost non-existant humidity with a high temperature and you have yourself a recipe for massive evaporation from Iceman's body, with nowhere to pull moisture from to replenish/heal himself. Throwing blocks of ice at Wolverine is absolutely not possible. Decreasing his body temperature is not effective because I already showed you his healing factor will foul up that attempt. Ex. him being naked in the canadian mountains during winter.
By the way, you are guessing minus5 - minus10 for the location Wolverine is sitting... remember he's in the mountains, and don't forget wind chill factor.
No one's saying that Iceman would freeze Wolverine inside of a block of ice. You keep claiming that Wolverine has a chance because this would be his tactic. We're saying that Iceman would convert every molecule of water inside of Wolverine's soft tisses into ice. He cannot resist that. If it thaws, it won't matter, because all of his cells will be burst and destroyed. Dead cells cannot regenerate.
Thus, even in Death Valley in the middle of Summer, or as this thread says, in Antarctica, or anywhere, Iceman would win.
Originally posted by Melnorme
No one's saying that Iceman would freeze Wolverine inside of a block of ice. You keep claiming that Wolverine has a chance because this would be his tactic. We're saying that Iceman would convert every molecule of water inside of Wolverine's soft tisses into ice. He cannot resist that. If it thaws, it won't matter, because all of his cells will be burst and destroyed. Dead cells cannot regenerate.Thus, even in Death Valley in the middle of Summer, or as this thread says, in Antarctica, or anywhere, Iceman would win.
You are wrong on several points.
1) Someone DID say Iceman would freeze Wolverine in a block of ice.
2) Wolverine's healing factor interferes with his water content being turned into ice as evidenced by my scans. Anti-freeze has this property to a lesser degree.
3) All his cells will not be burst. They have some level of elasticity. On top of that, cells are able to heal... particularly Wolverine's. This is not debatable.
Wolverine wins in any environment where there is a severe lack of humidity. In this particular environment, the massive heat only adds to his dilema.
Originally posted by scotsmn
lol I don't care about spring. Snow in winter? so?Humidity in Summer. That is all.
*sigh*
Can you understand that those pictures are from the spring and summer(March - August)? Thats when its most hot. Yet there is plenty of water/moisture around. I just proved to you that its not as dry as you think it is there.
Theres about 20-25% humidity on average there. About 10% on its hottest day which was 130 degrees when it set its record high.
Iceman CAN operate with no problems with only 10% humidity. And thers water in many places. Plus he can gather water from beneath the earth's surface. Either way you look at it, Wolverine loses.
Originally posted by jrodslam
*sigh*Can you understand that those pictures are from the spring and summer(March - August)? Thats when its most hot. Yet there is plenty of water/moisture around. I just proved to you that its not as dry as you think it is there.
Theres about 20-25% humidity on average there. About 10% on its hottest day which was 130 degrees when it set its record high.
Iceman CAN operate with no problems with only 10% humidity. And thers water in many places. Plus he can gather water from beneath the earth's surface. Either way you look at it, Wolverine loses.
Wrong again.
Do not try to pawn off spring/summer as summer. I'm not going for that.
Summer weather is typically LESS than 10% humidity. Man, I live in LA and frequently make the drive to Las Vegas in the summer. The drive passes through their so I'm very familiar with the humidity as well as the temperatures. I don't know where you're getting your bogus information. Don't try to make up numbers.
Anyway you look at it, Iceman will get stabbed before he can mount any type of sufficient defense or offense. He will NOT be healing, he will NOT be freezing anybody and he will NOT be able to run away. He's basically a human beer cooler in the middle of the desert.
Originally posted by scotsmn
You are wrong on several points.1) Someone DID say Iceman would freeze Wolverine in a block of ice.
2) Wolverine's healing factor interferes with his water content being turned into ice as evidenced by my scans. Anti-freeze has this property to a lesser degree.
3) All his cells will not be burst. They have some level of elasticity. On top of that, cells are able to heal... particularly Wolverine's. This is not debatable.
Wolverine wins in any environment where there is a severe lack of humidity. In this particular environment, the massive heat only adds to his dilema.
Since when does sitting in the cold outside turn your blood into ice? It would take temperatures that Canada wouldn't even dream of in order to do that. Only thing your scans show is that he can handle a source of "moderate" cold affecting him from the outside. That is all.
1. You've been proven wrong. Even during the summer there's plenty of moisture in Death Valley for Iceman to operate fully.
2. You seem to be under the impression that Iceman's only powers consists of making constructs out of ice. That is wrong.
3. Iceman can freeze Wolverine's brain and/or blood using Wolverine's own moisture without even needing any outside moisture. You haven't proven that he can't be frozen, you've only proven he can take an outside source of cold that is much weaker than Iceman's.
4. Iceman can fill Wolverine's lungs with water in the blink of an eye. Water that is coming from Wolverine's own body. Dehydration + instant drowning at the same time. Wolverine cannot heal from that.
5. Long Pig wasn't agreeing with you, he was making fun of you because you're acting like a retard.
