Originally posted by scotsmn
Wrong again.Do not try to pawn off spring/summer as summer. I'm not going for that.
Summer weather is typically LESS than 10% humidity. Man, I live in LA and frequently make the drive to Las Vegas in the summer. The drive passes through their so I'm very familiar with the humidity as well as the temperatures. I don't know where you're getting your bogus information. Don't try to make up numbers.
Make up numbers? First off. Below are AVERAGE HIGHS in temperature for the summer months. Secondly, AVERAGE humidity levels for those months follows as....
TEMPERATURE RELATIVE HUMIDITY
June 109 F 7% - 15%
July 115 F 7% - 15%
August 113 F 7% - 15%
The numbers dont lie, and noone is making them up. Try doing some research.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Since when does sitting in the cold outside turn your blood into ice? It would take temperatures that Canada wouldn't even dream of in order to do that. Only thing your scans show is that he can handle a source of "moderate" cold affecting him from the outside. That is all.1. You've been proven wrong. Even during the summer there's plenty of moisture in Death Valley for Iceman to operate fully.
2. You seem to be under the impression that Iceman's only powers consists of making constructs out of ice. That is wrong.
3. Iceman can freeze Wolverine's brain and/or blood using Wolverine's own moisture without even needing any outside moisture. You haven't proven that he can't be frozen, you've only proven he can take an outside source of cold that is much weaker than Iceman's.
4. Iceman can fill Wolverine's lungs with water in the blink of an eye. Water that is coming from Wolverine's own body. Dehydration + instant drowning at the same time. Wolverine cannot heal from that.
5. Long Pig wasn't agreeing with you, he was making fun of you because you're acting like a retard.
Ima take the liberty to cosign that 😆
7% seems lower than 10% to me.
Again, Wolverine shows resistance to cold. Sitting in the snow like that in the dead of winter WOULD cause his body to freeze to death. It doesn't though does it? Wonder why? Go lay down naked in the Canadian mountains for a while and then tell me how it's not going to freeze the water in your body.
Fill Wolverine's lungs with water? So now he can manipulate plain old water? I thought his power was tied to the cold. Doesn't matter anyway. Again, healing factor likes his water where it is. His body isn't just going to "release it" through his membranes because iceman wants it to.
How about before iceman can accomplish any of this Wolverine charges and rips his head off? How about that scenareo?
Originally posted by scotsmn
7% seems lower than 10% to me.Again, Wolverine shows resistance to cold. Sitting in the snow like that in the dead of winter WOULD cause his body to freeze to death. It doesn't though does it? Wonder why? Go lay down naked in the Canadian mountains for a while and then tell me how it's not going to freeze the water in your body.
Fill Wolverine's lungs with water? So now he can manipulate plain old water? I thought his power was tied to the cold. Doesn't matter anyway. Again, healing factor likes his water where it is. His body isn't just going to "release it" through his membranes because iceman wants it to.
How about before iceman can accomplish any of this Wolverine charges and rips his head off? How about that scenareo?
7% being the MINIMUM.
Sitting in the snow in the dead of winter in the Canadian mountains would cause a normal person to die of hypothermia. It would NOT cause a person to be frozen. With hypothermia, the heart simply stops pumping blood, therefore the blood doesn't move. The blood doesn't FREEZE because of the cold outside.
Also, the cold outside in the Canadian mountains in the middle of winter as you say, is an external source of cold. Iceman's cold is INTERNAL and is FAR more powerful than that.
He can manipulate the vapors in his lungs. Wolverine breathes air does he not? That air can be turned to ice/water. You yourself were talking about his ice constructs. How do you think he makes those?
"before iceman can accomplish any of this" ???? 😆
1. Wolverine does not move faster than Bobby can blink, since thats about the time it would take him to do any of these.
2. Even if somehow he manages to physically hurt Iceman, he can reform without even breaking a sweat (pun). Wolverine can't hurt Iceman. iceman can kill wolverine in the time it takes you or me to blink.
Originally posted by scotsmn
7% seems lower than 10% to me.
Like was stated if you can read. The summer humidity AVERAGE is FROM 7% - 10%. Iceman CAN use even 7% humidity in the air. Either way Wolverine is screwed.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Again, Wolverine shows resistance to cold. Sitting in the snow like that in the dead of winter WOULD cause his body to freeze to death. It doesn't though does it? Wonder why? Go lay down naked in the Canadian mountains for a while and then tell me how it's not going to freeze the water in your body.
Answer this. Do the mountains and forests of snow in Canada reach colder temperatures than -100?🙄
Originally posted by scotsmn
Fill Wolverine's lungs with water? So now he can manipulate plain old water? I thought his power was tied to the cold. Doesn't matter anyway. Again, healing factor likes his water where it is. His body isn't just going to "release it" through his membranes because iceman wants it to.
Iceman can make water through humidity if you didnt know, which causes rain. He can also transmute the ice he makes into water. Yes his power is tied to the cold, but he can still make water, mist, ice.
Originally posted by scotsmn
How about before iceman can accomplish any of this Wolverine charges and rips his head off? How about that scenareo?
How about before Wolverine takes a step, all of his blood is in his feet? Iceman wins.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Sitting in the snow in the dead of winter in the Canadian mountains would cause a normal person to die of hypothermia. It would NOT cause a person to be frozen.
Yes it would. A person would indeed become frozen, inside and out.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
With hypothermia, the heart simply stops pumping blood, therefore the blood doesn't move. The blood doesn't FREEZE because of the cold outside.
Yes, the cold outside pulls the heat from you skin, then your muscles and then your organs. They freeze along with your blood. (human)
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Also, the cold outside in the Canadian mountains in the middle of winter as you say, is an external source of cold. Iceman's cold is INTERNAL and is FAR more powerful than that.
What does it matter if it is internal or external? Does heat not transfer throughout a person? Would not the heat being sucked away from the outside cause the inside to go cold as well in a person?
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
He can manipulate the vapors in his lungs. Wolverine breathes air does he not? That air can be turned to ice/water. You yourself were talking about his ice constructs. How do you think he makes those?
No.. you are wrong 🙁
To create ice in Wolverine's lungs he needs moisture to be in there. We have discussed the humidity in Death Valley during summer already. Perhaps he could form a pebble the size of a bb?
Wolverine can move fast enough to reach iceman because Iceman needs a lot of time to gather moisture as it slowly drifts by in miniscule quantities. It only takes Wolverine a couple seconds to reach iceman.
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
2. Even if somehow he manages to physically hurt Iceman, he can reform without even breaking a sweat (pun). Wolverine can't hurt Iceman. iceman can kill wolverine in the time it takes you or me to blink.
Originally posted by Blair WindThat's why I don't like Wolverine threads.... sheer idiocy...
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1. Thermoregulation. Environmental temperature does not = core body temperature.
Normal mammalian body temp = 37 degrees Celsius
Normal room temperature = 21-23 degrees Celsius
2. There is always moisture in the lungs, air is humidified when it is inspired. Add to that the large quantities of water in the body itself.
3. Yes, the most recent powered incarnation of Iceman has survived as nothing more than a consciousness inhabiting water.
Originally posted by scotsmn
No.. you are wrong 🙁
To create ice in Wolverine's lungs he needs moisture to be in there. We have discussed the humidity in Death Valley during summer already. Perhaps he could form a pebble the size of a bb?
Do you know that the human body is about 90% water? Iceman can control all that moisture in Wolverines body. Bobby doing that has nothing to do with the temperature outside.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Wolverine can move fast enough to reach iceman because Iceman needs a lot of time to gather moisture as it slowly drifts by in miniscule quantities. It only takes Wolverine a couple seconds to reach iceman.
Iceman can manipulate the blood in Wolverines body INSTANTLY. Wolverine cant teleport, so hes not moving fast enough to stop Iceman. A couple of seconds would be to late for the Canadian.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Are you telling me Iceman is invulnerable/immortal? 🙄
Yes he is, if he were to stay in Ice form. If he reverts back to human, then he can be harmed physically, but not in ice form.
It can be 70 degrees outside but my internal body will remain 98.6, true.
It can be 60 outside and my internal body will remain around 98.6, true.
It can be 30 outside and my internal body will remain 98.6 :::FALSE:::
It can be 30 outside and Wolverine's internal body will remain 98.6, true
It can be 0 outside any my internal body will remain 98.6, :::FALSE:::
It can be -20 outside and Wolverine can be butt ass naked sitting on snow, after having been in water, eating a fish with no problem.
That would KILL me.
Wolverine obviously has something you guys are missing. He has the ability to keep his cells from freezing. I don't know how much simpler I can make it.
By the way, it's not pure water Wolverine has in his sytem or in yours and there's nothing to say that Iceman can cause the fluid in Wolverine's body to freeze, especially after I've shown you that cold does not cause this to happen in his body.
NOW IT'S YOUR TURN DUDES! Prove to ME that Wolverine WOULD be frozen by the cold. I gave you scans... do the same for me.