Classic Juggernaut vs Savage Hulk and Thor

Originally posted by Eternity
Juggernaut has recently been rated class 90 and savage hulk starts at class 100. Juggernauts strength does not increase and he cannot match hulks limitless stength. Juggernaut has only limitless pushing power and the line the juggernaut is unstoppable has been proven wrong by onslaught. During the savage hulk juggernaut fight hulk knocked him aroumd beat him up and threw him into a mountain. This may not have hurt juggs but it still counts as a points victory for hulk. Thor and hulk are both stronger than juggernaut and they would not knock him out they would only hit him hundreds of miles away just like onslaught did and this would count as a victory for them

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even with thor negating a large portion of his power juggernaut was still able to take alot of abuse from him, he wouldnt simply revert back to normal human cain marko, thor couldnt take that much of his power. as far as i know he heals almost instantly when his power is returned and he suffers no exhaustion or fatigue from it. the hulk could eat his heart lungs and whatever other organs he wanted and the juggernaut would heal as soon as his power returned.

the less said about onslaught the better, juggernaut was used to establish him as a major threat, since when has the gem of cytorak been in his chest? unless onslaught was using the equivalent of something far more powerful than thors godforce in his two fingers when he pulled the gem out the idea of it occuring contradicts alot of things the juggernaut has survived prior.

he has a weakness to psychic power, but only to his mind. ill also point out that juggernauts helmet is supposed to shield his mind from any form of telepathy but psylock was able to access his mind with it on.

also as far as i know his strength is beyond class 100, i saw a list somewhere of marvels strongest characters and juggernaut was on it, along with hulk and apocalypse and a few others. it was basically a list of characters whos strength has no real limit, apocalypse can enhance his to a seeminly limitless degree, as can the hulk, and juggernauts is up with the two of them.

i agree that either of these individually would be a handful for the juggernaut, they could throw him around and put up a good fight, but neither of them could beat him. put together they would be a bigger handful but they still cant take him down for an extended time. they can probably achieve a ko win but anything beyond it is out of their power.

Originally posted by Decay

i agree that either of these individually would be a handful for the juggernaut

yes...

Originally posted by Decay

they can probably achieve a ko win but anything beyond it is out of their power.

That's all that is necessary.

I am not saying jugs is not strong but saying he can match hulk in strength is not correct. One of these could handle him so twof them would have no problem.

Originally posted by Decay
even with thor negating a large portion of his power juggernaut was still able to take alot of abuse from him, he wouldnt simply revert back to normal human cain marko, thor couldnt take that much of his power. as far as i know he heals almost instantly when his power is returned and he suffers no exhaustion or fatigue from it. the hulk could eat his heart lungs and whatever other organs he wanted and the juggernaut would heal as soon as his power returned.

the less said about onslaught the better, juggernaut was used to establish him as a major threat, since when has the gem of cytorak been in his chest? unless onslaught was using the equivalent of something far more powerful than thors godforce in his two fingers when he pulled the gem out the idea of it occuring contradicts alot of things the juggernaut has survived prior.

he has a weakness to psychic power, but only to his mind. ill also point out that juggernauts helmet is supposed to shield his mind from any form of telepathy but psylock was able to access his mind with it on.

also as far as i know his strength is beyond class 100, i saw a list somewhere of marvels strongest characters and juggernaut was on it, along with hulk and apocalypse and a few others. it was basically a list of characters whos strength has no real limit, apocalypse can enhance his to a seeminly limitless degree, as can the hulk, and juggernauts is up with the two of them.

i agree that either of these individually would be a handful for the juggernaut, they could throw him around and put up a good fight, but neither of them could beat him. put together they would be a bigger handful but they still cant take him down for an extended time. they can probably achieve a ko win but anything beyond it is out of their power.

I thought Psylocke did that because she managed to stab him with her psychic blade. Not that it mattered much to him.

Anyway, as has been mentioned, when Thor does the magic trick, not all of the Cytorrak power is taken from Juggs. Just a bit. WHen it returns some seconds later, he is fully restored and ready to fight.
Yeah, the two could probably manage a 15 second long KO. Would that be good enough by KMC rules? Yeah. Would it really be a win? No. A hollow victory at best seeing as how the second he returned he'd be just as fine.

Originally posted by Eternity
Where did you see juggernaut has unlimited strength he has only be said to have unlimited invulnerability and pushing power. It was in the 2005 hulk annual that he was rated a class 90. The same onslaught who was a being of pure psionic energy hulk broke his armor. Hulk has overcome juggernaut on his own so saying he cant win with thors help is ridiculous/stupid/unreasonable and completely illogical

By the way when a characters upper limit is unknown does not mean he has limitless strength. Doc samson has said that hulk strength is limitless so has the leader and sooooooooooo has MARVEL

Woah woah woah.

First of all, are you referring to Current Juggernaut? Cuz yes, he has been depowered. Still class 100 mind you, but depowered nonetheless.

Second. This thread is CLASSIC Juggernaut. Enough said.

Third. When have you ever seen anything, sans adamantium, that Juggy couldn't lift/break/destory? You haven't. Because he's always been able to increase his strength to whatever he needed it to do.

Fourth. When has Hulk beaten Juggernaut on his own? Note: I ask when has Hulk done it on his own. As in no Celestial Tech. That would be War Hulk anyway. This is Savage Hulk. Besides, without the help of even his armor, Juggernaut ALMOST KILLED HULK. He would've killed him, too, had not Red Skull told Juggy to stop.

Fifth. I could care less what your handbook says, no offense. But handbooks are about as consistant as Wolverine's healing factor.

In case you didn't get that, extremely inconsistant.

So, again. Classic Juggernaut eventually wins.

Edit: And 15 seconds wouldn't be nearly enough time for them to knock out a BARELY HINDERED Juggernaut. He's still as strong as the Hulk, and is still, for all basic purposes, invulnerable.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Woah woah woah.

, Juggernaut ALMOST KILLED HULK.
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LOL...Really..when???

A KO is a KO. And in those 15 seconds Thor can warp him to the sun.

Originally posted by scotsmn
A KO is a KO. And in those 15 seconds Thor can warp him to the sun.

Though i see him losing a unanimous lost, i can't see him getting k.o. though.

It juggernaut a month to break out of concrete and a decade to crawl out of that mountain. Hulk 172 hulk throws juggernaut around and eventually throws him into a mountain You want to tell me this is not a victory just because it is not a ko. Juggernaut also only beat professor hulk not savage hulk. Saying juggernaut has unlimited strength is preposterous. A person with unlimited strength could not breakout of alittle concrete? Hulk was also trying to find out who juggernaut was and did not put up much resistance to juggernaut as he did not know who he was fighting. This was also prof hulk

Savage hulk alone can do it adding thor is going to make it worse. They would both knock him miles away just like onslaught did and he would just stop fighting knowing there would be know way to win. I have not even considered thors magic. THERE IS NO WAY JUGGERNAUT STANDS A CHANCE IN THIS

This is a difficult one! Things I do know:

-Thor can temporarily negate Juggernaut's magic.
- Savage Hulk is capable of doing MASSIVE damage in a short time.

I'm pretty sure that working together they can hurt Juggernaut. Can Juggernaut be killed during the time space that Thor can cut off his magic if he's hurt enough, or does he regenerate no matter what?

Wait people thinik Juggernaut would beat Savage Hulk and Thor with ease but Superman and Thor or Superman and Captain Marvel (DC) could team up and beat his ass? Well I think Juggernaut loses this fight he might as well run around naked in a Donkey farm so he can get raped.

juggernaut has been incased in a very large amount of steel that was moulded into a cocoon by thor in Thor #411-412, he burst out of it in seconds but he had already been transported from the fight. contrete wouldnt do much. the marvel directory basically says his strength is limitless

"Marko and Cassidy each claimed to have half Marko's previous power, but this is inaccurate, considering that the Juggernaut's previous power level was virtually immeasurable."

"The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known."

the most he could be koed for is 60 seconds, thats how long thor could neutralise his power before his hammer must return to him. juggernaut can still take full strength shots from thor and keep fighting in this state so say hulk and thor take 20 or so seconds to actually put him out that means hes down for about 40. after which hes fully healed and no worse off than when he began.

a 40 second ko might be considered a win, but even so thor and the hulk are going to be the ones clearing the area as soon as hes down because he wont be staying there long. a pretty hollow victory at best. if they had even a mild telepath with them id give it to thor and hulk easy. i dont think putting someone down for a matter of seconds counts as a real victory, but they can ko him and take a cheap win.

its been years since the 60 second hammer thing was taken away.

really? last time i saw them fight it was still around and thor effectivly removed the juggernaut from the fight. well in that case juggernaut and thor can keep him down until 60 seconds after thors magic negation runs out or he stops it. a bit more legitamate but it still needs their constant attention to keep him down.

Originally posted by Decay
really? last time i saw them fight it was still around and thor effectivly removed the juggernaut from the fight. well in that case juggernaut and thor can keep him down until 60 seconds after thors magic negation runs out or he stops it. a bit more legitamate but it still needs their constant attention to keep him down.

Originally posted by Eternity
During the savage hulk juggernaut fight hulk knocked him aroumd beat him up and threw him into a mountain. This may not have hurt juggs but it still counts as a points victory for hulk.

Originally posted by Eternity
Juggernauts strength does not increase

Originally posted by Eternity
Where did you see juggernaut has unlimited strength he has only be said to have unlimited invulnerability and pushing power. It was in the 2005 hulk annual that he was rated a class 90.

The same onslaught who was a being of pure psionic energy hulk broke his armor.

They only Juggernaut that at class90 is the Current one not the Classic one which is on this thread.

speaking of when hulk threw him into that mountain, wasnt the only effect of that to cause the juggernaut to wonder if hulk mind was capable of understanding unstoppable. right before he dove off and landed on hulk with both feet driving him into the ground?

"The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known".

" Until recent times, the Juggernaut possessed a variety of superhuman physical abilities mystical in origin.

The Juggernaut possessed vast superhuman strength, the limits of which were never revealed. The Juggernaut's strength was sufficient for him to battle powerhouses such as Thor and the Incredible Hulk, placing his strength well into the Class 100 level, being able to lift in excess of 100 tons. Truly, only the Hulk was ever observed to be able to match the Juggernaut's nearly limitless physical strength

Aside from his incredible strength, the Juggernaut's body possessed an extraordinary degree of invulnerability to injury, allowing him to trade blows with some of the strongest heroes of the Marvel Universe. The Juggernaut could withstand high powered energy blasts, falls from great heights, exposure to temperatures greater than that of the surface of the Sun, exposure to vaccum environments, etc. without sustaining even the slightest injury The Juggernaut could increase his invulnerability to even higher levels by generating a mystical forcefield around his body. This field was sufficient to enable him to withstand powerful energy blasts from beings as powerful as the Silver Surfer, multiple blows from Thor's hammer, and Wolverine's adamantium claws.

The Juggernaut was, literally, an unstoppable force. Once in motion, whether it be running or walking, no physical force could prevent his forward momentum. His pace could be slowed considerably by powerful energy blasts, many tons of rocks, etc. but nothing completely halted his forward momentum. This is true with the one exception of his battle with the Incredible Hulk as War II where much to Juggernaut's shock he was stopped".

Marvel own Wed Site gives him a 7 Strength level which is Incalcuable Strength on par with Hulk Thanos Thor Abomination and The Destroyer.