Is there a War on Christmas in the US?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Isn’t fight for Christmas, an oxymoron?

pretty much what i've been trying to say.
people allow themselves to get all pissed off at the notion that
others are trying to kill christmas, buying into a right wing fueled farce
and allowing it to put a damper on perhaps their most treasured holiday.

but who's really forbidding christmas?

the government? the only thing forbidden by government is the display of religious icons on public property, for example the nativity scene. baby jesus
does not belong at town hall, simple as that. separation of church and state. live with it.

and then people go on and complain about businesses. well guess what?
businesses make their own decisions. nobody tells them they are forbidden
from christmas displays and carols. they DECIDE, as many do in a free country, to not play it. why? because they feel its economically advantagious to be all-inclusive in their holiday displays. dont like it? dont shop there 😬 personally i dont give a shit.

so, who else is killing christmas? who shall we string up from the highest tree in the name of good tidings?

speaking of the "war"
the great demagog is caught in another lie:

Saginaw Township On The O'Reilly Factor Radio Program

(TV5) -- A Mid-Michigan Township makes national news but there's a problem, local officials say the whole thing was made up.

Bill O'Reilly is making the claim that Saginaw Township officials banned residents from wearing red and green during the holiday season. Local officials say he's dead wrong.

Syndicated controversial talk show host Bill O’Reilly said on his radio show:

“In Saginaw , Michigan , the township opposes red and green clothing…on Anyone, In Saginaw Township they basically said anybody, we don’t want you wearing red or green. I would dress up from head to toe in red to green if I were in Saginaw Michigan .” -- Bill O’Reilly

WNEM TV-5 Talked to Saginaw Township supervisor Tim Braun who says O’Reilly’s comments are flat out not true. Braun goes on to say the township hall has red and green Christmas lights adorning the building at night.

On December 12th the Fox News Channel which broadcasts O’Reilly’s Cable TV show “The O’Reilly Factor” told TV5 it was a radio issue and had nothing to do with the Fox News Channel. TV5 is contacting O’Reilly’s radio producers for their side of the story.__

http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4235657

...and as with all his other blatent lies and inaccuracies, im sure he'll be quick to publically respond and correct himself 🙄

Originally posted by PVS
...and as with all his other blatent lies and inaccuracies, im sure he'll be quick to publically respond and correct himself 🙄

That's something that has always confused me about the really big fans of people like Rush and Bill; they flaunt their idols opinions as absolute, but when their hero gets caught in a lie they never seem to ave issues with them not responding to the issue ever again. If this was Al Franken, there would be a public trial and the threat of a hanging unless he publically apologizes.

I don't celebrate christmas, so I say happy holidays. But if someone who does celebrate christmas says to me "Merry Christmas!" (not realizing I don't celebrate that holiday), no problemo. They're just passing on the festive spirit.

Of course, if they know I don't celebrate christmas, but say to me Merry Christmas anyway, then I forgive them for their small minds and disrespect for other people's traditions.

Originally posted by Wild Cherry
at the publix i work at we arent supposed to say " merry christmas" or " happy hanuka" only " happy holiday" and then someone even called that ethnic segregation so now we have to come up with something totally.... boring....😕 ..*takes a moment to thank publix for hiring young*

This question is for anyone.

Like the person I quoted. what if your boss told you, you can not say "Merry Christmas" in the work place? Would you be ok with that, or would you think it was wrong?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This question is for anyone.

Like the person I quoted. what if your boss told you, you can not say "Merry Christmas" in the work place? Would you be ok with that, or would you think it was wrong?

It'd do it anyway............just me of course

I'm not sure about this (is there a lawyer in the house?), but I don't think "corporate culture" can reach that far into one's Freedom of Speech, that a boss Can tell employees don't say "Merry Christmas."

well, before we all go into a rant about it, we should at least be presented with an article of such an occurance. or else its just another oreilly-style argument, based on lies and half truths.

Originally posted by PVS
well, before we all go into a rant about it, we should at least be presented with an article of such an occurance. or else its just another oreilly-style argument, based on lies and half truths.

Did I misunderstand the post I quoted? That was a person who said their boss told them not to say Marry Christmas. Does that count as “such an occurrence”?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did I misunderstand the post I quoted? That was a person who said their boss told them not to say Marry Christmas. Does that count as “such an occurrence”?

i think it would be wrong to forbid them from saying it.
good enough?

“In Saginaw , Michigan , the township opposes red and green clothing…on Anyone, In Saginaw Township they basically said anybody, we don’t want you wearing red or green. I would dress up from head to toe in red to green if I were in Saginaw Michigan .” -- Bill O’Reilly

In all fairness he did say opposes and not bans.....whatever though.

http://www.pisd.edu/news/archive/2005-06/oreilly.report.shtml

another lie, unchecked. why is it that this man can defame the character of a town or school district with lies and face no consequesnce?

'Red & Green Clothing Ban'
False Rumor

December 12, 2005

On Friday, December 9, on the Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor," with Bill O'Reilly and guest Jim Pinkerton, Fox 4 News analyst, it was falsely reported in a segment entitled "More Victories for Christmas," that ...

....."In Plano, Texas, a school told students they couldn't wear red and green because they are Christmas colors."......

Due to the number of e-mails, inquiries and phone calls to Plano ISD regarding students "wearing red and green," Superintendent of Schools Dr. Doug Otto has posted this communication to assure the school community that this rumor is not true.

"The school district does not restrict students or staff from wearing certain color clothes during holiday times or any other school days," noted Dr. Otto, who said that the school district's attorney has requested that Mr. O'Reilly retract the statement.

Dr. Otto said that attorneys have requested of Mr. O'Reilly that, in the future, he ask his fact checkers to do a more thorough job of confirming the facts before he airs them. "It would be our hope that you would engage in fair and balanced reporting of this nationally recognized school district in the future," wrote PISD's attorney.

Originally posted by soleran30
“In Saginaw , Michigan , the township opposes red and green clothing…on Anyone, In Saginaw Township they basically said anybody, we don’t want you wearing red or green. I would dress up from head to toe in red to green if I were in Saginaw Michigan .” -- Bill O’Reilly

In all fairness he did say opposes and not bans.....whatever though.

Though I've heard you can't have a Christmas tree in schools now.

No green? What if you're a Michigan State fan?

Originally posted by botankus
No green? What if you're a Michigan State fan?

When the Red Wings (red) play the Stars (green) on Dec. 27th, all Hell is gonna break loose!

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm not sure about this (is there a lawyer in the house?), but I don't think "corporate culture" can reach that far into one's Freedom of Speech, that a boss Can tell employees don't say "Merry Christmas."

Well remember how American Flags were banned on campuses after 9\11 because of foreign students pressure to have it removed because it offended them?

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/summer_2002_5.html

So I'm not sure if you can be forbidden from saying Merry Christmas, but if bunch of foreigners can pressurize us to remove our flags and our symbols because it offends "them" then I wonder what other miracles can be pulled off to suit others. Our flag forbidden by foreigners on our own soil.. Can you believe THAT?

I'd like to see someone try this shit over in China or some other Thrid World country. You'd never be seen again..

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Well remember how American Flags were banned on campuses after 9\11 because of foreign students pressure to have it removed because it offended them?

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/summer_2002_5.html

So I'm not sure if you can be forbidden from saying Merry Christmas, but if bunch of foreigners can pressurize us to remove our flags and our symbols because it offends "them" then I wonder what other miracles can be pulled off to suit others. Our flag forbidden by foreigners on our own soil.. Can you believe THAT?

I'd like to see someone try this shit over in China or some other Thrid World country. You'd never be seen again..

congrats 🙂

oh what, im wrong? then post something from a credible news source.
ill be waiting, but i sure wont be holding my breath

Originally posted by PVS
i think it would be wrong to forbid them from saying it.
good enough?

I agree with you. I'm not trying to say that there is a war on Christmas. As a matter of fact, I think it's over blown, by people like O'Rilly (sp?). I think there are some people, out there, that put money over the spirit of the Christmas. But to say that this is something new, is to forget about the classic story of Scrooge. 😄

Originally posted by KidRock
Dirty liberal democrats trying to stomp out more of our freedoms that's all. If O'reilly didnt stand up and say something nobody else would have, because they are pussys.

Yes, Bill O"rielly, fighting for the cause of truth:

WNEW-TV5:

"Syndicated controversial talk show host Bill O'Reilly said on his radio show: "In Saginaw , Michigan , the township opposes red and green clothingon Anyone, In Saginaw Township they basically said anybody, we don't want you wearing red or green. I would dress up from head to toe in red to green if I were in Saginaw Michigan "-Bill O'Reilly. WNEM TV-5 Talked to Saginaw Township supervisor Tim Braun who says O'Reilly's comments are flat out not true. Braun goes on to say the township hall has red and green Christmas lights adorning the building at night.

On December 12th the Fox News Channel which broadcasts O'Reilly's Cable TV show-The O'Reilly Factor told TV5 it was a radio issue and had nothing to do with the Fox News Channel. TV5 is contacting O'Reilly's radio producers for their side of the story.