Originally posted by PVS
i'm way ahead of you KD.
scroll up 😛also check the brave and fierce oreilly attacking
yet more imaginary liberal demons at a local school board
in the second article i posted.
Yes, saw that, sorry for the redundancy. My excuse was a very late night at a very 'spirited' christmas party.
Originally posted by BackFire
I say Merry Christmas. I don't bullshit myself into thinking that this time of year would be anything similar to what it is if it weren't for Christmas.I think people who get pissed off over someone saying "Merry Christmas" to them is a dipshit, on the same token, I think anyone who gets mad over someone saying "Happy Holidays" is stupid. It's just someones way of trying to be pleasant to you if they say either one of those phrases, you should be happy that they took the time to wish you a happy anything.
From CHARLIE REINA, former Fox News Channel producer:
As with many conflicts, particularly the manufactured kind, dishonesty, greed and ignorance are the culprits behind Fox News Channel's so-called “War on Christmas.” But their enabler, as Dr. Phil might call it, is that well-intended but wholly misguided scourge of society -- political correctness. Rather than promoting tolerance, inclusion and understanding, as advertised, p/c has had the opposite effect. It has made us not a freer society, but one of timid, tongue-tied slaves to convention who substitute glib code words for the more difficult task of actually treating each other with respect. It’s the kind of shortcut that sooner or later circles back to bite you.
But first let’s look at what political correctness is, and is not, in this context. Wishing your customers or co-workers, “Happy holidays,” isn’t p/c; it’s common sense. Try saying, “Merry Christmas, happy Hannukah, a joyous Kwanzaa and a prosperous New Year” every time you leave the office, and before long they won’t let you back in. But taking something that’s recognized everywhere – by people of all religious beliefs -- as a Christmas tree and renaming it a “holiday tree” is political correctness, pure and simple. It adds nothing, reaches out to no one. It’s as offensive as it would be to call a Menorah a “festive candelabra,” or Santa Claus “Jolly old Good-guy Nick.” Granted, as a cause for war, this holiday p/c is no Pearl Harbor. But in its own naïve way, it provides the warmongers with just the ammunition they want.
It’s no surprise, of course, that this phony call to arms, this “Christmas (ergo, Christians) Under Attack” hysteria, emanates from the bowels of Fox News Channel. The network is, after all, ground zero in the culture wars that polarize so much of America these days. Make no mistake about it: Fox is on a mission. Its slogans say, “Fair and Balanced” and “We Report, You Decide.” But in the six years that I worked there, what I heard most from Fox management were mission statements – about turning things around, taking news back from the liberals, and giving “middle America” a voice long denied it by the “east coast media elite.” In other words, using its news report to bring about change -- in the media and, ultimately, in the direction of American culture.
As FNC’s man at the top, Roger Ailes, knows well from his years as a political operative, there is no more effective wartime strategy than to divide and conquer. That’s why so much of his network’s programming is confrontational. The “us against them” gambit animates not only FNC’s night-time entertainment shows, like “The O’Reilly Factor” and “Hannity & Colmes,” but the network’s daytime “news” report, where anchors regularly browbeat guests who are on the wrong (Democrat or liberal) side of issues.
But what really separates Fox from the competition is its unabashed use of religion as a divisive weapon. Common sense -- and common courtesy -- have long dictated that personal religious beliefs be kept out of news reporting unless the story at hand involves religion. But on Fox, it’s not uncommon for an anchor to raise the issue of a guest’s religion, or lack thereof, a’ propos of nothing. The most glaring example I can recall is a 2002 interview with a guest who had been cited for his charitable acts. At the end of the discussion the anchor said (paraphrasing here), “So I understand you’re an atheist.” The guest acknowledged that this was so. “Well,” said he anchor, “we’re out of time now, but I’d be glad to debate you anytime on the existence of God,” and, with that, ended the segment.
This past July, during FNC’s hurricane coverage, another anchor asked a guest: “Do you think God was looking over the people of the Gulf Coast,” by sparing them from a new storm on the heels of Hurricane Ivan? A loaded question if there ever was one. Not only does it presume that the guest believes in God (which, anyone at Fox will hasten to tell you, 95% of Americans do); it puts anyone who might answer, “No,” for whatever reason (including, simply, a deference to hurricane science) on the spot. Now that guest has to decide: Do I answer honestly and be seen on national television as a heathen, or do I take the easy way out and just say, “Yes”? Not much of a choice, as any fair and balanced newscaster should realize.
Fox anchors will tell you that no one in management dictates that they bring up religion. But my experience at FNC is that, once management makes its views known, the anchors have a clear blueprint of what’s expected of them. In this case, the point man is network vice president John Moody. A scholar and biographer of Pope John Paul II, John is a devout Catholic who seldom holds back on matters of the church, or in framing his views in “good guy, bad guy” terms. For example, during the 2001 Senate hearings on John Ashcroft’s appointment as Attorney General, Moody’s daily memos to the staff repeatedly touted Ashcroft as “deeply religious” and the victim of Democrats’ intolerance. One memo suggested a question of the day: “Can a man of deep Christian faith be appointed to a federal job, or will his views be equated with racism, intolerance and mean-spiritedness?” He added: “(K)eep pounding at the question: should Ashcroft’s detractors try to be as tolerant as they would have him be?”
Then there’s Fox management’s view on the separation of church and state, and on those who support it. One not-so-subtle hint came in March, 2004, after a Baghdad bombing gave reporters at a hotel in the Iraqi capital a scare. Moody’s memo that day advised FNC staffers to “offer a prayer of thanks for their safety to whatever God you revere (and let the ACLU stick it where the sun don’t shine).”
So, again, it’s no wonder this “War on Christmas” (now in its second successful year) is a production of Fox News Channel -- the very network that has made accusation, recrimination and confrontation the gold standards of cable “news,” and whose personalities have fashioned a self-serving “war” out of whole cloth, thanks to a scattered handful of p/c dupes and a shameless management willing to use even Christmas for its own political ends.
Originally posted by PVS
http://www.academia.org/ is an anti-university right wing agenda site,
which loves to put forth lies and half truths dressed up as news. thank
you for offering up yet another example of right wing outrage fueled by lies.congrats 🙂
oh what, im wrong? then post something from a credible news source.
ill be waiting, but i sure wont be holding my breath
Do you have proof they're an anti-university right wing site? You
leftists always clamor for proof, so to be fair, how about turning around and showing US proof that what YOU say is right? Show us YOUR proof for once.
I'LL be waiting too.
Oh yes I know, the ONLY ones under attack in this country are you poor, POOR liberals...you spend all your time hiding under the robes of the ACLU with your campaigns for religious tolerance in the fairness of everyone, while you show no quarter for Christians.
You ***** about atrocities in Iraq, yet say nothing everytime Al Qaeda captures and beheads someone and traumatizes their families with videos of the event.
And you shit yourselves about the use of the words "Under God" on our money and somehow find a way to forgive the phrase when it buys you what you want on payday??? Moore hypocrisy (oh sorry, MORE hypocrisy)
Oh not to mention the nice little way the Democrats used leftists billionaire foreigners like George Soros to fuel their coffers with soft corporate money in direct violation of the Campaign Finance Reform Act in the last election. (foriegn money cannot be used for influence in American elections)
And, you weren't above using their bullyboy lawyers to enforce the removal of 1st Amendment rights of the NRA and similar Republican groups because they knew what was happening..criminalizing Free Speech to hide your activities? You almost got away with it too..
Funny, people like Michael Moore, Hollywood's elite, the media elite and their buddies weren't subject to the little gag order as they engaged in their little one-sided abuse fests? I wonder WHY?
Using your own campaigns to spread your OWN half truths and lies? And tirning around and silencing the opposition to try to hide it?
Yeah, YOU guys are complete angels too... 🙄
You want to explain to me how Criminalizing Free Speech and threatening Pro-Republican groups with federal felony charges if they opened their mouths 60 days before the 04' election is any great token of fairness and equality esp. since the Democratis, the media and societal bighsots were exempt from it?
Free Speech is for everyone, but as we can see from the 04' facts, you Democrats and your leftie allies bent it to your will to spread "half truths fueled by left wing outrage, feueled by lies." Work on that one the next time oyu accuse anyoe of spreading half truths and lies, esp. since you had to make Free Speech a felony to do it with..
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Do you have proof they're an anti-university right wing site? You
leftists always clamor for proof, so to be fair, how about turning around and showing US proof that what YOU say is right? Show us YOUR proof for once.I'LL be waiting too.
Oh yes I know, the ONLY ones under attack in this country are you poor, POOR liberals...you spend all your time hiding under the robes of the ACLU with your campaigns for religious tolerance in the fairness of everyone, while you show no quarter for Christians.
You ***** about atrocities in Iraq, yet say nothing everytime Al Qaeda captures and beheads someone and traumatizes their families with videos of the event.
And you shit yourselves about the use of the words "Under God" on our money and somehow find a way to forgive the phrase when it buys you what you want on payday??? Moore hypocrisy (oh sorry, MORE hypocrisy)
Oh not to mention the nice little way the Democrats used leftists billionaire foreigners like George Soros to fuel their coffers with soft corporate money in direct violation of the Campaign Finance Reform Act in the last election. (foriegn money cannot be used for influence in American elections)
And, you weren't above using their bullyboy lawyers to enforce the removal of 1st Amendment rights of the NRA and similar Republican groups because they knew what was happening..criminalizing Free Speech to hide your activities? You almost got away with it too..
Funny, people like Michael Moore, Hollywood's elite, the media elite and their buddies weren't subject to the little gag order as they engaged in their little one-sided abuse fests? I wonder WHY?
Using your own campaigns to spread your OWN half truths and lies? And tirning around and silencing the opposition to try to hide it?
Yeah, YOU guys are complete angels too... 🙄
the classic attack of those who cannot debate is to place labels on their opponent, and argue against said labels, when the opponent never claimed nor proved to live up(down) to those lables.
this is known as "straw man" tactics, and is absolutely useless and only manages to prove your own irrationality.
thus the assumption that:
1-i have no support for christians [although i am catholic]
2-i tolerant of the murders done by al qaeda [very low of you, i guess you will call me a nazi next, or satan...etc good job]
3-i am outraged by a meaningless phrase on a dollar bill [i really dont give half a shit]
4-i am supportive of every cheap trick and act of corruption, so long as its a democrat [bravo]
5-i am against the first ammendment [impressive. so although i have always argued against restrictions of our first ammendment, i am actually all for such restrictions...why? no reason really...just because you said so]
6-i am against our constitutional right to bear arms [wow, you read so deeply into my words regarding a farse pertaining to some christmas war that you pulled that out....or did you just pull it out of your ass as was the case with 1,2,3,4,5, and the proceeding?]
7-i am worshipping of michael moore [when really you cant get more irrelevant. moore does not have a seat of influential power in a major news network. rather than oreilly, moore is the left equivalent of ann coulter or fred savage, who are also full of shit and also are free to do say whatever irresponsible crap they wish. again, they are not sponsored by a news organisation. kthx]
***and my favorite which you appropriately put last:
8-i am running for office 😱
"Using your own campaigns to spread your OWN half truths and lies? And tirning around and silencing the opposition to try to hide it?"
[no comment needed on that one]
so now who's going to clean this thread of the meaningless off topic childish ranting bullshit you spewed all over in your post?
care for a mop and bucket? 😬
Its a little difficult to consider this christmas of ours, christian, or even a religious holiday... this whole thing about chirstmas tree, santa claus,... is not a religious thing, and thats the first thing that comes to me when I think about xmas, not that it was the date when Jesus hipotethically born . That makes this war looks even more senseless !
Originally posted by PVS
the classic attack of those who cannot debate is to place labels on their opponent, and argue against said labels, when the opponent never claimed nor proved to live up(down) to those lables.
this is known as "straw man" tactics, and is absolutely useless and only manages to prove your own irrationality.
You just said it all for me. Although guys like Moore and Kerry and all the others helped prove it along the way. Your earlier post said that there is "right wing half truths fueled by Right wing outrage." Truth be told, you guys do it too. That's my point.
Gee sounds like I hit a nerve..you pointed out anti college-anti-left antics fueled by moral outrage and Right winfg stuff in general, and I balanced the menu with some great serving suggestions from the left past and present.
Straw man tactics? Perhaps in the relevancy of the thread, yes. But it seems that any chance to point out "right wing anti *THIS* anti *THAT* should be complemented by some great boners the left pulled in the past.
You know what it all comes down to, from the attack on gun rights and Christmas rights and everything in between? It comes to people LIKE YOU, trying to initially alter, and establish a beachhead for, the removal of things from our culture that YOU don't agree with. It's not good enough that you have your personal right to disagree with and exempt yourself from tradition, but you make it so everyone else can't have it either.
So in THAT light, yes.What I said has everything to do with it and it IS relevant because you and others like you feel the need to tell us what YOU want for everyone because YOU disagree with it. You're just too busy aiming the Straw Man at me because you either can't disprove the claims, or you agree with the tactic used to undermine our traditions.
Originally posted by PVS
Care for a mop and bucket
Clean your own shit up before you start trying to clean mine up, will you?
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
]You just said it all for me. Although guys like Moore and Kerry and all the others helped prove it along the way. Your earlier post said that there is "right wing half truths fueled by Right wing outrage." Truth be told, you guys do it too. That's my point.
Gee sounds like I hit a nerve..you pointed out anti college-anti-left antics fueled by moral outrage and Right winfg stuff in general, and I balanced the menu with some great serving suggestions from the left past and present.
Straw man tactics? Perhaps in the relevancy of the thread, yes. But it seems that any chance to point out "right wing anti *THIS* anti *THAT* should be complemented by some great boners the left pulled in the past.
You know what it all comes down to, from the attack on gun rights and Christmas rights and everything in between? It comes to people LIKE you, trying to initially alter, and establish a beachhead for, the removal of things from our culture that YOU don't agree with. It's not good enough that you have your personal right to disagree with and exempt yourself from tradition, but you make it so everyone else can't have it either.
So in THAT light, yes. It has everything to do with it and it IS relevant because you and others like you feel the need to tell us what YOU want for everyone because YOU disagree with it. You're just too busy aiming the Straw Man at me because you either can't disprove the claims, or you agree with the tactic used to undermine our traditions.
[QUOTE=5566654]Originally posted by PVS
[B]Care for a mop and bucket?[/i]Clean your own shit up before you start trying to clean mine up, will you?
you once again argue an imaginary phantom liberal demon.
good luck with that. 🙂
and thank you for serving as a caricature of the scared angry neo-con convinced that everyone is trying to destroy christmas *evil laugh*
and while you're feeling bitter and outraged by the damn liberals, everyone else will be enjoying their christmas without a care for this nonesense.
happy HOLIDAYS 🙂
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Its a little difficult to consider this christmas of ours, christian, or even a religious holiday... this whole thing about chirstmas tree, santa claus,... is not a religious thing, and thats the first thing that comes to me when I think about xmas, not that it was the date when Jesus hipotethically born . That makes this war looks even more senseless !
Yes it does make it senseless. But if it's a tradition that everyone enjoys, why try to alter it because a few disagree with it? As far as I'm concerned, you wanna call it Christmas, fine.Kwanzaa, fine. Just don't tell ME that I can't call it what I want to. Whenever I meet someone who isn't of the faith, I simply say "I know this isn't a recognized day of yours, but I would like to wish you a Happy Holidays nonetheless."
And to this day noone has singled me out for it yet 🙂
Halloween isn't an American religious holiday either and it's original meaning is very supernatural and under attack by many right wingers who see it as satanic. But hey, we added our own mark on it, and ANY holiday that lets me go around and collect sweets, and all the free candy I can get, is a GOOD one... Pass the Mike and Ikes!
that what everyone's been saying.
nobody...NOBODY is telling anyone that they cant say "merry christmas".
ITS FABRICATED BULLSHIT.
and all you can come up with to prove a point is a fabricated article with no sources from an agenda based anti-university site. i love in the same article how they say that universities had pro-al qaeda rallies right after 9-11. nice touch. though you might have smelled the bullshit there.
but i guess college can seem alien if'n you don't take too kindly to liberal college folk and their damn ejumucation *spit*
What people refuse, time and time, again to admit is that the vast majority of this nation celebrates Christmas one way or another. Why should the small minority who doesn't alter the majority's wishes just because they disagree with it?
Example: The vast majority of us speak English. We have a significant portion of Chinese immigrants in this country. Do the rest of us have to make lingual accomadations for them?
Originally posted by PVS
that what everyone's been saying.
nobody...NOBODY is telling anyone that they cant say "merry christmas".ITS FABRICATED BULLSHIT.
and all you can come up with to prove a point is a fabricated article with no sources from an agenda based anti-university site. i love in the same article how they say that universities had pro-al qaeda rallies right after 9-11. nice touch. though you might have smelled the bullshit there.
but i guess college can seem alien if'n you don't take too kindly to liberal college folk and their damn ejumucation *spit*
Read Draco69's reply and there's your answer to everything. I don't have to prove that our rights are under attack. The minority who disagrees is making their case every day.
We can't say Merry Christmas> Well maybe you should have been at my local mall a few weeks ago when the mall manager told a woman to take down a store sign that said Merry Christmas,threatening her with fines if she didn't adhere to the holiday protocol. There's a Happy Hannukah sign at the other end, and THAT one is still up but the Christmas one is removed.....real fair.
And the fact that the store is run by the biggest and highest grossing store in the mall, and the nationality of the person who owns it' might have somehting to do with it.
Wanna prove me wrong?