Rachel Grey vs. White Queen

Originally posted by LordKaos
i thought that her diamond form gave her extra resistence to telepathy. If the
assumption that all quasi-oragnic beings mentally exist on the astral plane is true then her not being able to use telepathy is... well stupid. When she got her secondary mutation there were just too many powerful telepaths in the mansion, Xaiver, Grey, Quire and the 5 in 1, maybe they just wanted to cut down on all the telepathic speech bubbles.

Nah her tp sensitivity is reduced. Shes a first order telepath, one of the strongest on the planet. If she could use such abilities as normal in her diamond form she'd be too powerful. I think it creates a nice balance.

Oh ok.
So you know the holempathic cyrstal Rachel has, it contains all Jeans feelings and memories, why can't Rachel (who can now psionically recreate the past through some new kind of psychometry, which is probably due to her chronoskimming abilities) just tap it and get all Jeans know how on telepathy thus making her far more skilled then Emma? and please no Emma is more skilled than Jean in telepathy because it's just not true.

Why isn't Rachel's tp up to scale with Emma's?

Originally posted by eternitygoddess
Why isn't Rachel's tp up to scale with Emma's?

Rachels more powerful shes just has less know how so as seen recently Emma would win in a tp battle. With time of course Rachel will surpass her. As we know with time Rachel will become a fully fledged Phoenix like her mother.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Oh ok.
So you know the holempathic cyrstal Rachel has, it contains all Jeans feelings and memories, why can't Rachel (who can now psionically recreate the past through some new kind of psychometry, which is probably due to her chronoskimming abilities) just tap it and get all Jeans know how on telepathy thus making her far more skilled then Emma? and please no Emma is more skilled than Jean in telepathy because it's just not true.

The holempathic crystal doesnt contain all of Jeans memories just the essence of who she is. When you hold it it makes you feel that shes with you in person.

As far as raw power Rachel is the sun and Emma is a fire sustained by a fart, but Emma is more skilled because she is older and telepathy being her primary power for so long, it stands to reason she didn't have her other two powers of telekinesis and time travel (which she does not have of course) needing attention.

which would make it easier for her to recreate Jeans memories.

Originally posted by LordKaos
which would make it easier for her to recreate Jeans memories.

What would?

Rachels more powerful shes just has less know how so as seen recently Emma would win in a tp battle. With time of course Rachel will surpass her. As we know with time Rachel will become a fully fledged Phoenix like her mother.

Oh alright. Thanks for the explanation! 🙂

Originally posted by eternitygoddess
Oh alright. Thanks for the explanation! 🙂

Youre welcome. 🙂

the crystal holding Jeans essence should make it easier, remember it was through one of these crystals that Rachel was able to fianally claime the power of Phoenix. If she has the same kind of telepathy her mother does then she has total recall of any thought she has ever read. 🍺

Originally posted by LordKaos
the crystal holding Jeans essence should make it easier, remember it was through one of these crystals that Rachel was able to fianally claime the power of Phoenix. If she has the same kind of telepathy her mother does then she has total recall of any thought she has ever read. 🍺

Where have you ever seen a mutant telepath ever pull off such a feat or is this speculation of yours based on what you think her powers should be able to do?

No offence im just puzzled as to where this is coming from cos it seems so random to me lol.

Originally posted by eternitygoddess
Oh alright. Thanks for the explanation! 🙂

also with that, I think its cuz tp was her primary power for so long, and she didnt have to exert more concentration on her part as rachel does w/ tp and teke. even now, emma just has to change form, she doesnt really hav to concentrate to utilize its power. Rachel has to split her concentration. I think it sed somewhere that thats why Betsy is more powerful w/ her teke cuz thats her only power

are you talking about her ability to recreate the past pisonically, she has done it in Uncanny Xmen #464 when she and Princess Psylocke visited some old ruins she and Jamie used to play at, she also used it in the issue when she first found the crystal Jean infused her essence with, that's why she was able to conjure up images of the Dark Phoenix the night she visited the Grey household. She was even able to hear the thoughts that John Grey had about Dark Phoenix.

Originally posted by LordKaos
are you talking about her ability to recreate the past pisonically, she has done it in Uncanny Xmen #464 when she and Princess Psylocke visited some old ruins she and Jamie used to play at, she also used it in the issue when she first found the crystal Jean infused her essence with, that's why she was able to conjure up images of the Dark Phoenix the night she visited the Grey household. She was even able to hear the thoughts that John Grey had about Dark Phoenix.

In both circumstances you mention Rachel never recreated the past at all. With the recent lighthouse incident she says that theres a strong resonance in the stones and she shows Betsy the images the stones are resonating. So basically there was psionic residue in the area and Rachel showed Betsy what was there. Thats not recreating the past.

With the time at the Greys place Rachel was just fantasising about what she thought had happened during the DP Saga based on what she had read about it in the X-mens files:

So with these scans in mind Rachel cant psionically recreate the past. If an event was emotionally charged enough to leave residue then she can project an image of said events but then most half decent tps can and have done that.

Also the holempathic crystal contains the core of Jeans personality. It doesnt contain all of her thoughts up until she died. Its just a device which captures the essence of someones personality so that people can feel comfort after a loved ones passing by using the device. Rachel could not suddenly gain all of Jeans TP training from said device.

PSYCHOMETRICALLY she was able to use the residual energy (which i think is just a side affect of her temporal powers), what telepaths other than the quasi-telepath Moonstar was able to do that (other than the elder Frost sister)? Nobody but Jean would know what John was thinking, it was not a fantasy because every image she saw actually happened. By the way i enjoy debating with you i don't know why everybody else gives you sh!t! Being a powerful telepath myself I simply use total recall to debate with others 💃 😆 📖 your mind.

Originally posted by LordKaos
PSYCHOMETRICALLY she was able to use the residual energy (which i think is just a side affect of her temporal powers), what telepaths other than the quasi-telepath Moonstar was able to do that (other than the elder Frost sister)? Nobody but Jean would know what John was thinking, it was not a fantasy because every image she saw actually happened. By the way i enjoy debating with you i don't know why everybody else gives you sh!t! Being a powerful telepath myself I simply use total recall to debate with others 💃 😆 📖 your mind.

If u look at the second scan and read the captions it basically tells you what i just said. That the previous DP Saga scenes were Rachels fantasies on what happened based upon her reading about what happened. It was just fantasy. Read the captions.

Youre one crazy boy!! 😂

Oh yeah and eternitygoddess thank you for this thread, i would worship you but I am LORDKAOS!! 🙂

I don't need to read captions or even click your scan i have that issue, if it is a fantasy then explain why it actually happened! Those are Dark Phoenix memories, everything in those "fantasies" really happened. So you explain how Rachel was able to see them, oh wait I already did she can psionically recreate the past visually.

How can there be an Xmen file about things that Jean was not around to file?! She was dead and had been for quite some time when Rachel emerged.