Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I sympathize with him suffering an ordeal, but that doesn't make him a hero.As we have seen from the atrocities committed by Bush, the President of America affects every single person on Earth. So, yeah...It does apply to me.
Atrocities? 🤨
You may disagree with the war in Iraq and some of the tactics that his administration have supported in the war on terror, but that doesn't mean he has committed 'atrocities'
Originally posted by Grimm22
Every man and woman who has the courage to put their lives on the line for the sake of freedom is a hero 😐
What freedom are you talking about? Vietnamese? Iraqi? Ahahahaha...
Originally posted by Grimm22
Atrocities? 🤨You may disagree with the war in Iraq and some of the tactics that his administration have supported in the war on terror, but that doesn't mean he has committed 'atrocities'
Guantanamo Bay, the killing of Iraqi civilians, the erosion of civil liberties, the bullying of other nations to conform, the slowness of his response to Katrina, the dereliction of duty regarding the environment...I could go on, and all of them are atrocious.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
What freedom are you talking about? Vietnamese? Iraqi? Ahahahaha...
Just because you lack the courage or the goodwill to do what they do doesn't mean you have to a jackass 😉
Guantanamo Bay, the killing of Iraqi civilians, the erosion of civil liberties, the bullying of other nations to conform, the slowness of his response to Katrina, the dereliction of duty regarding the environment...I could go on, and all of them are atrocious.
1.Guantanamo Bay: Prisoners are treated better than we treat American prisoners
2. All wars result in the deaths of civilians, its an sad and unfortunate, but true.
3. The federal government is not responsible for the responsibilities of state government. To do the opposite, would give the federal government complete control of over the country, which is exactly the reason we don't allow the federal government to force states to make the decisions of the states
4. wtf?!? Environment?!? I'm not going to bother
Originally posted by Grimm22
Just because you lack the courage or the goodwill to do what they do doesn't mean you have to a jackass 😉
Do you need courage to agree to be a soldier for a country that fights unjust wars? I think not. I think you need to be an idiotic pawn, not courageous.
Originally posted by Grimm22
1.Guantanamo Bay: Prisoners are treated better than we treat American prisoners2. All wars result in the deaths of civilians, its an sad and unfortunate, but true.
3. The federal government is not responsible for the responsibilities of state government. To do the opposite, would give the federal government complete control of over the country, which is exactly the reason we don't allow the federal government to force states to make the decisions of the states
4. wtf?!? Environment?!? I'm not going to bother
Oh, dear. You're another one, aren't you? Yes, you are.
1. The rest of the world agrees that Guantanamo represents the greatest mockery of human-rights in the world today.
2. Haha, so you buy into the propaganda that you've been fed about the loss of human life being acceptably classed as 'collateral damage'? It's funny how this same loss of life is so totally unacceptable when it's Americans who are losing theirs...
3. Do you really believe that? How sad.
4. Haha, that's exactly what Bush says!
Go back to school, kid. You're in need of some edumakashun.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Do you need courage to agree to be a soldier for a country that fights unjust wars? I think not. I think you need to be an idiotic pawn, not courageous.Oh, dear. You're another one, aren't you? Yes, you are.
1. The rest of the world agrees that Guantanamo represents the greatest mockery of human-rights in the world today.
2. Haha, so you buy into the propaganda that you've been fed about the loss of human life being acceptably classed as 'collateral damage'? It's funny how this same loss of life is so totally unacceptable when it's Americans who are losing theirs...
3. Do you really believe that? How sad.
4. Haha, that's exactly what Bush says!
Go back to school, kid. You're in need of some edumakashun.
You sir are a perfect example of what is wrong with the world today.
1. Facts > Propaganda, the prisoners even get a freakin library of American books translated into Arabic for them.
2. You obviously didn't read what I said
3. If anyone needs to go back to school its you. Thomas Jefferson, created the Democratic-Republican party, to oppose the Federalist Party, which wanted the federal government to have power over the states. However, if the federal government had power over the states, than the entire point of representation would be pointless, as the elected officials would have no power to represent the people.
4. I have one word for you 😐.... Manbearpig 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
You sir are a perfect example of what is wrong with the world today.1. Facts > Propaganda, the prisoners even get a freakin library of American books translated into Arabic for them.
2. You obviously didn't read what I said
3. If anyone needs to go back to school its you. Thomas Jefferson, created the Democratic-Republican party, to oppose the Federalist Party, which wanted the federal government to have power over the states. However, if the federal government had power over the states, than the entire point of representation would be pointless, as the elected officials would have no power to represent the people.
4. I have one word for you 😐.... Manbearpig 😉
Haha, you're not even worth my time.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Bush is a decent president at best 😐But he isn't a war criminal like liberals want to believe
Really! Please explain how Bush has not violated International and US war crimes laws. Liberals? Please.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Do you need courage to agree to be a soldier for a country that fights unjust wars? I think not. I think you need to be an idiotic pawn, not courageous.
Who the hell do you think you are? Do you even know anyone in the military? Do you bury your friends and family? Or are you just some stupid kid so wrapped up in propoganda that you have no idea what the military is or its members actually are?
Pathetic. Simply Pathetic. And something personally painful for me.
Originally posted by Strangelove
Bush is not a decent President by any measure. He is a mediocre president at best
If by mediocre you mean pathetic. I can't think of any president in history besides James Buchanan who has put our nation in a more perilous position.
Originally posted by Alliance
Who the hell do you think you are? Do you even know anyone in the military? Do you bury your friends and family? Or are you just some stupid kid so wrapped up in propoganda that you have no idea what the military is or its members actually are?
Eh, I think I'm a guy stating my opinion. Yes, I do. Not yet. No, not that either.
Originally posted by Alliance
Pathetic. Simply Pathetic. And something personally painful for me.
Not really. I just think fighting unjust wars isn't anything to be considered 'heroic'. Especially when the military might of the countries being attacked is almost infinitesimal in comparison to the US' arsenal.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Not really. I just think fighting unjust wars isn't anything to be considered 'heroic'. Especially when the military might of the countries being attacked is almost infinitesimal in comparison to the US' arsenal.
Although the irony exists that despite the US military superiority on paper the end result always seems the same: a lot of good people dying, both soldiers and civilians, who by all rights shouldn't have, for ideals increasingly intangible.
"Christian Conservatives Remain Wary of Rebranded McCain" by The Associated PressWashington
—To forgive is divine. To forget may be asking too much of religious conservatives when it comes to Sen. John McCain.The Republican presidential hopeful is working hard to repair relations with conservative Christian activists, whose support could be critical to winning the GOP nomination. But they remain skeptical that he sincerely shares their values.
While McCain has managed to pry open some of the doors that slammed shut in his rift with the right during his bid for the presidency in 2000, conservatives' list of grievances against the Arizona senator is substantial:
[list][*]They are dubious about his opposition to a federal amendment to ban gay marriage. McCain opposes same-sex marriage, but says it should be regulated by the states.
[*]They still resent passages in the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law, which Christian broadcasters say limit what they can tell voters before elections.
[*]And they question the sincerity of his overtures. McCain condemned evangelist leaders Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "agents of intolerance" during his 2000 run.[/list]
Christian leaders still have "a lot of questions" about McCain, said Paul Weyrich, who founded the Moral Majority with Falwell and pioneered efforts to mobilize evangelical voters.
McCain-Feingold "is a big stumbling block for all of us," Weyrich said. He and others also say McCain, a four-term Arizona senator, largely ignored a measure on the November ballot to ban gay marriage in his home state. Arizona was the only state where the effort failed in the last election.
"It seems to me that if he were really sincere, he would have gone in with both feet and supported that amendment," Weyrich said.
Focus on the Family founder James Dobson was more blunt.
"I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances," Dobson said last month on KCBI, a Dallas Christian radio station. "I pray that we won't get stuck with him."
McCain is trying hard to avoid a repeat of the 2000 GOP presidential primaries in which now-President Bush mobilized Christian conservative activists to ultimately sink McCain's campaign. Prominent Christian leaders, including Robertson and Falwell, opposed McCain in 2000, partly because they didn't feel he was conservative enough on their issues.
"We've continued to reach out to leaders in these very important states and communicate the senator's record of advocacy for conservative causes," said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the McCain campaign. "What we've seen is a strong response and support."
Contributing to McCain's strained relations with religious conservatives was his past criticism of the fundamentalist Christian college Bob Jones University in Greenville, S.C., for its ban on interracial dating. Political activists associated with the university helped defeat McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary.
The school has since lifted the ban. McCain now says he wouldn't turn down an opportunity to speak there.
He also has hired David Rexrode, a veteran campaigner who organized evangelical voters for the Bush/Cheney campaign in 2004, to help repair the damage.
McCain has made amends with Falwell. He spoke at Falwell's Liberty University last spring. On Monday, Falwell and five other religious leaders will host a "meet and greet" for McCain at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Orlando, FL—a big step, although Falwell has been careful to say it does not constitute an endorsement.
But other efforts aren't going as smoothly.
McCain has said he hopes to patch things up with Dobson, but Diaz wouldn't say whether Dobson and McCain have spoken. Dobson declined a request for an interview and a Focus on the Family spokesman said Dobson had nothing more to say about McCain.
Robertson also declined to discuss McCain.
McCain's seeming about-face with the Christian right also has drawn criticism from Democrats and eroded his image that appealed to swing voters in 2000.
In McCain's home state, Rep. Trent Franks—a staunch opponent of abortion and gay marriage—has split with the rest of the Republicans in the Arizona congressional delegation, refusing to back the senator's presidential bid. Instead, he's supporting a long-shot GOP candidate, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, whom he calls an "unequivocal social and fiscal conservative."
But McCain has at least one thing going for him with the religious right: Christian leaders are also wary of the other leading GOP presidential hopefuls, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani supports abortion rights and gay rights. Romney has supported both in the past, although he now opposes abortion and gay marriage.
With no clear social conservative among the top-tier candidates, religious right leaders like the Iowa Christian Alliance's Steve Scheffler say they are now willing to at least give McCain a chance to explain himself.
That's a turnabout from last April, when Scheffler told The Associated Press, "There's no support for McCain in this constituency."
Since then, McCain has "made overtures to talk about his record," Scheffler said in a recent interview. "In many cases, he has a record conservatives would feel comfortable with."
Rexrode, McCain's organizer among Christian conservatives, said that's the kind of sentiment he's working for.
Despite what Dobson and others have said, when McCain explains his conservative record on abortion, the war in Iraq and federal spending, "we're winning people hand over fist," Rexrode said.
"Being able to deliver that message and talk about it is really opening some eyes about who the real Senator McCain is," he said.
John McCain used to have principles. But he's tripping over himself to back Bush now. He folded on the torture issue. He's pandering to social conservatives. Face it. He's a pussy and *gasp* a flip-flopper. We'd be much better off with Clinton. Even on the issue that most people want her to change her position on (the vote to authorize military action in Iraq) she won't.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
[B]Do you need courage to agree to be a soldier for a country that fights unjust wars? I think not. I think you need to be an idiotic pawn, not courageous.
Not really. I just think fighting unjust wars isn't anything to be considered 'heroic'. Especially when the military might of the countries being attacked is almost infinitesimal in comparison to the US' arsenal.
Originally posted by Strangelove
We'd be much better off with Clinton. Even on the issue that most people want her to change her position on (the vote to authorize military action in Iraq) she won't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKt71ykKH7g
Hmm...
Originally posted by sithsaber408That means nothing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKt71ykKH7gHmm...