Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
McCain is almost as blinkered as Bush, and Hilary is a crack-whore...decisions, decisions...
If you're implying that he's as dumb as Bush, then you're wrong. Of all the candidates, he's the most qualified and most experience...which in my book; equals most deserving.
Add to that, McCain is a war hero and a fellow Arizonan. He'll get my vote for the presidency, just as he got my vote for the Arizona Senate this past November.
Originally posted by Alliance
I vote for the Obama - Clinton ticket.
The smart thing would be for Obama to be the V.P.
Then if all goes well for eight years, he can run for president in 2016 and give the Dems another 8 years.
This was attempted and half-way succeeded by Bush 41, being Reagan's VP and then elected to President.
Originally posted by Quiero MotaOrale guey, Mota!
If you're implying that he's as dumb as Bush, then you're wrong. Of all the candidates, he's the most qualified and most experience...which in my book; equals most deserving.Add to that, McCain is a war hero and a fellow Arizonan. He'll get my vote for the presidency, just as he got my vote for the Arizona Senate this past November.
Good points. The only thing that worries me about McCain is his age and I'm afraid of what would happen if he died in office. Is he over 72? Just curious because that would make him 80 years old by the end of his presidency.
Perhaps he should run with Guilianni as his VP.
Y tu. Tu eres un Republican o un Democrat?
I can't figure your positions out.. it seems that you're a fiscal and foriegn relations conservative, and moderate to liberal on social issues.
Si o no?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If you're implying that he's as dumb as Bush, then you're wrong. Of all the candidates, he's the most qualified and most experience...which in my book; equals most deserving.Add to that, McCain is a war hero and a fellow Arizonan. He'll get my vote for the presidency, just as he got my vote for the Arizona Senate this past November.
I'm stating that he's blinkered, as in he's impervious to the fallacy of his convictions despite the factual evidence showing them to be just that; fallacies.
As for him being a 'war hero', woo-hoo! So, he did some things in another unjust war? Wow...that makes him real heroic.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Good points. The only thing that worries me about McCain is his age and I'm afraid of what would happen if he died in office. Is he over 72? Just curious because that would make him 80 years old by the end of his presidency.Perhaps he should run with Guilianni as his VP.
He's 70, and with Rudy as his running mate, they would definitely be a take-action administration.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Y tu. Tu eres un Republican o un Democrat?I can't figure your positions out.. it seems that you're a fiscal and foriegn relations conservative, and moderate to liberal on social issues.
Si o no?
I'm a Democrat, carnal. Pero I'm by no means a lefty; I'm very much in the middle. I'm willing to vote for a Republican if the guy appeals to me, ey. In this case McCain.
And yeah, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially liberal.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I'm stating that he's blinkered, as in he's impervious to the fallacy of his convictions despite the factual evidence showing them to be just that; fallacies.As for him being a 'war hero', woo-hoo! So, he did some things in another unjust war? Wow...that makes him real heroic.
He was a POW at the 'Hanoi Hilton' for five and half years and went through some real shit. That combined with the fact that I like the guy already helps me to side with him.
Originally posted by sithsaber408In general, I like McCain. He's a good guy, politically moderate, but the fact that he's courting the hyperconservative evangelicals that he used to be so critical of is troubling. Like Bush, he should 'stick to his guns,' but in this case, they're good guns.
That's the idea. 😛
Originally posted by Strangelove
In general, I like McCain. He's a good guy, politically moderate, but the fact that he's courting the hyperconservative evangelicals that he used to be so critical of is troubling. Like Bush, he should 'stick to his guns,' but in this case, they're good guns.
Forgive me for being daft, but what did I miss?
I also heard PVS say that McCain drank the Holy Joe juice, so I'm assuming that he made some statements reversing some of his social positions?
What was the switch?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Forgive me for being daft, but what did I miss?I also heard PVS say that McCain drank the Holy Joe juice, so I'm assuming that he made some statements reversing some of his social positions?
What was the switch?
he's basically swiched to full reverse and is now bush 2.0 and will readily bend over at any moment to recieve pat robertson's seed.
Originally posted by PVSTo translate: McCain, who was once critical (really critical) of evangelicals like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, is now speaking at Falwell's Liberty University, and actively courting "the base"
he's basically swiched to full reverse and is now bush 2.0 and will readily bend over at any moment to recieve pat robertson's seed.
Originally posted by Strangelove
To translate: McCain, who was once critical (really critical) of evangelicals like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, is now speaking at Falwell's Liberty University, and actively courting "the base"
Yes, but speaking at a pastor's university to encourage said "base" to vote his way is only politics. Shouldn't be a big deal, as most politicians will speak with those they don't necessarily agree with to broaden apeal and get more votes.
He needs those votes if he's to lead conservative and moderate Republicans to his cause come November 2008.
My question was if he's said anything to reverse or modify a position that he's already taken on any particular issue.
(Obama spoke at Pastor Rick Warren, writer of The Purpose Drive Life's church, though they don't agree on abortion, gay marriage, etc...)
Originally posted by Grimm22
Yeah because god forbid I take advantage of democracy, right? 🙄So 97% of US citizens are idiots?!? 🤨
Its stuff like this that makes me question the sanity of the human race
do some research. its all a con. politcians are there to give you the idea that you have free choice...you dont..you have no fuking choice.
one miniscule example:
..bush and kerry..both cousins, blood related..both part of skull and bones. on the surface they may appear to be oppose each other..buts its all an act to fool the dumb masses. its all a con.
so go ahead to your little polling booths and keep kidding yourself that your vote will change your country for the better when in reality, america is being destroyed by design
**** John McCain, he is a hypocrite.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yes, but speaking at a pastor's university to encourage said "base" to vote his way is only politics. Shouldn't be a big deal, as most politicians will speak with those they don't necessarily agree with to broaden apeal and get more votes.He needs those votes if he's to lead conservative and moderate Republicans to his cause come November 2008.
My question was if he's said anything to reverse or modify a position that he's already taken on any particular issue.
(Obama spoke at Pastor Rick Warren, writer of The Purpose Drive Life's church, though they don't agree on abortion, gay marriage, etc...)
Sen. John McCain said Tuesday he hopes to patch things up with conservative Christian leader James Dobson, who recently said he wouldn't support the Republican's presidential bid under any circumstances.
In a radio interview with KCBI, a Dallas Christian station, Dobson argued that McCain didn't support traditional marriage values and said he has prayed "we won't get stuck with him." Dobson is founder of Focus on the Family.
"I'm obviously disappointed and I'd like to continue and have a dialogue with Dr. Dobson and other members of the community," McCain said Tuesday during a stop in Columbia.
McCain has also reached out to other conservatives he once crossed.
Last May, he spoke at Falwell's Liberty University in Virginia. In 2000, Falwell opposed McCain's campaign for the GOP nomination and supported George W. Bush. At the time, McCain labeled Falwell and others on the right and the left as "agents of intolerance."
During his 2000 presidential bid, McCain also criticized Bob Jones University, a Christian fundamentalist college, for its ban on interracial dating. McCain said last year that he wouldn't turn down an opportunity to speak at Bob Jones.
"I'm happy to say that I've established a dialogue with a number of other leaders," including the Rev. Jerry Falwell, "Purpose Driven Life" author Rick Warren and Dr. Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Originally posted by sithsaber408Obama, however, does not compromise his own beliefs when speaking to those with somewhat contrary ideologies. Pastor Rick Warren himself said (paraphrasing) "I may not agree with all of Obama's beliefs, but I believe he is a true Christian"
(Obama spoke at Pastor Rick Warren, writer of The Purpose Drive Life's church, though they don't agree on abortion, gay marriage, etc...)
McCain, however, is on full reverse.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sen. John McCain said Tuesday he hopes to patch things up with conservative Christian leader James Dobson, who recently said he wouldn't support the Republican's presidential bid under any circumstances.In a radio interview with KCBI, a Dallas Christian station, Dobson argued that McCain didn't support traditional marriage values and said he has prayed "we won't get stuck with him." Dobson is founder of Focus on the Family.
"I'm obviously disappointed and I'd like to continue and have a dialogue with Dr. Dobson and other members of the community," McCain said Tuesday during a stop in Columbia.
McCain has also reached out to other conservatives he once crossed.
Last May, he spoke at Falwell's Liberty University in Virginia. In 2000, Falwell opposed McCain's campaign for the GOP nomination and supported George W. Bush. At the time, McCain labeled Falwell and others on the right and the left as "agents of intolerance."
During his 2000 presidential bid, McCain also criticized Bob Jones University, a Christian fundamentalist college, for its ban on interracial dating. McCain said last year that he wouldn't turn down an opportunity to speak at Bob Jones.
"I'm happy to say that I've established a dialogue with a number of other leaders," including the Rev. Jerry Falwell, "Purpose Driven Life" author Rick Warren and Dr. Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Originally posted by Strangelove
Obama, however, does not compromise his own beliefs when speaking to those with somewhat contrary ideologies. Pastor Rick Warren himself said (paraphrasing) "I may not agree with all of Obama's beliefs, but I believe he is a true Christian"McCain, however, is on full reverse.
Again, other than saying that he'd like to talk to Christian conservative leaders, obviously in attempts to get them and their followers voting support, and saying that he hopes to work with them....
I don't see where he's changed any stance on any particular issue.
Originally posted by sithsaber408He hasn't done anything outright, such as flip-flop oh, but by courting the hyperconservative evangelicals, he's showing the people that he's willing to go against his principles to get the vote. He'll lose some of the independent vote that way.
Again, other than saying that he'd like to talk to Christian conservative leaders, obviously in attempts to get them and their followers voting support, and saying that he hopes to work with them....I don't see where he's changed any stance on any particular issue.
Originally posted by Strangelove
He hasn't done anything outright, such as flip-flop oh, but by courting the hyperconservative evangelicals, he's showing the people that he's willing to go against his principles to get the vote. He'll lose some of the independent vote that way.
I see.
It'll be interesting to see (if that is indeed the case that mere dialouge with evangelicals will lose independant votes) whether or not the independants or the evangelicals end up being the most beneficial to him in the long run.
Out of curiosity....
So for yourself (or PVS if you're reading this) this changes your opinion about him enough that you wouldn't vote for him, when before you liked him?
Even if his stances on issues didn't change (just as Obama won't change certain stances but still speaks at churches), and all he did was extend a welcome to the other type of Republicans that he's been at odds with before in a hope to broaden apeal.....
You now have a problem with McCain?
Originally posted by sithsaber408a) I wouldn't have voted for him in the first place, since he's for the Iraq War
Out of curiosity....So for yourself (or PVS if you're reading this) this changes your opinion about him enough that you wouldn't vote for him, when before you liked him?
Even if his stances on issues didn't change (just as Obama won't change certain stances but still speaks at churches), and all he did was extend a welcome to the other type of Republicans that he's been at odds with before in a hope to broaden apeal.....
You now have a problem with McCain?
b) It's not about 'extending a welcome' to those which he once called (and I quote) 'agents of intolerance.' It's abasing himself to pander to the evangelical base. If he simply ran for president as he is, he might win an election over Hillary Clinton (assuming that he/she gets their respective nominations) simply because he's more likable.
This 'pander to the base' ideology is the brainchild of Karl Rove and President Bush, and considering the public sentiment towards them at the moment, it's not a good thing for McCain.