Character Ownage

Started by Philosophía5,121 pages
Originally posted by Newjak
The entire previous page you posted before the flick showed Flash basically toying with Superman, yeah Superman can push his speed to compete but there is a difference between Superman 'being too fast for' Flash and Superman 'throwing everything he has then managing to get one finger flick against' Flash. Something tells me that 9 times out of ten if Flash was serious that attack wouldn't hit him.

That is the first time they met. Up until the point where he hits him, you can see that Superman was only trying to grab him without harming him - once Superman became more aggressive and pushed it (even as far as hitting him - though even then he only did a finger flick), his speed shocked even Flash.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense - as far as what's being discussed - the hit Superman landed on Flash. He saw the punch coming towards him and couldn't react fast enough to move out of the way - his face with the "what the--" says everything. The only thing that would have mattered if Flash was serious from the start was how the fight would have progressed - but that attack was valid as far as Superman delivering something Flash was not fast enough to react or move, no matter the mindset beforehand.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That is the first time they met. Up until the point where he hits him, you can see that Superman was only trying to grab him without harming him - once Superman became more aggressive and pushed it (even as far as hitting him - though even then he only did a finger flick), his speed shocked even Flash.

What you're saying doesn't make any sense - as far as what's being discussed - the hit Superman landed on Flash. He saw the punch coming towards him and couldn't react fast enough to move out of the way - his face with the "what the--" says everything. The only thing that would have mattered if Flash was serious from the start was how the fight would have progressed - but that attack was valid as far as Superman delivering something Flash was not fast enough to react or move, no matter the mindset beforehand.

Except your logic is flawed because he clearly had already dodged the punch.

And mindset does play because odds are I'm betting if Flash wanted to play keep away Superman would be harder pressed to get close enough to even lay a finger.

And yeah there is a difference between Superman being fast enough to lay a finger on Flash vs Superman being as fast as Flash.

Can he touch Flash yes and thanks to his Superstrength any thing he can land will obviously hurt Flash.

Can he do it consistently I would still have my doubts based on the previous page.

Would Superman win in a fight yes.

But that doesn't change the fact you seem to be upplaying this feat more than it should be.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except your logic is flawed because he clearly had already dodged the punch.

No, he didn't. You're actually suggesting that Superman wanted to throw a backhand punch at Flash's head (?!) but conveniently stopped his attack right in front of Flash's face after the latter dodged and did a finger flick (?!)

Originally posted by Newjak
And mindset does play because odds are I'm betting if Flash wanted to play keep away Superman would be harder pressed to get close enough to even lay a finger.

I don't care how you think the fight would have went if Flash was serious from the start.

Aren't you smart enough to understand that it's irrelevant to what is actual in discussion?

Superman was fast enough to send an attack that, eventough the Flash saw coming, couldn't react fast enough to dodge - and expressed his shock afterwards on how he got hit.

Whether or not beforehand Flash was toying with him is irrelevant - at that moment, and what's being discussed, Superman pushed it and hit Flash.

Originally posted by Newjak
And yeah there is a difference between Superman being fast enough to lay a finger on Flash vs Superman being as fast as Flash.

You don't say?

Shocking.

Next thing you're going to say boxers can land punches on one another, even if one of them is faster?

You're rocking the world of dumb people everywhere.

Originally posted by Philosophía
No, he didn't. You're actually suggesting that Superman wanted to throw a backhand punch at Flash's head (?!) but conveniently stopped his attack right in front of Flash's face after the latter dodged and did a finger flick (?!)

I don't care how you think the fight would have went if Flash was serious from the start.

Aren't you smart enough to understand that it's irrelevant to what is actual in discussion?

Superman was fast enough to send an attack that, eventough the Flash saw coming, couldn't react fast enough to dodge - and expressed his shock afterwards on how he got hit.

Whether or not beforehand Flash was toying with him is irrelevant - at that moment, and what's being discussed, Superman pushed it and hit Flash.

You don't say?

Shocking.

Next thing you're going to say boxers can land punches on one another, even if one of them is faster?

You're rocking the world of dumb people everywhere.

You know I do find this whole scenario funny coming from the guy who posted a scan not even a couple pages ago of Flash being hit by a bullet because he was what not in the proper mind set.

And he you know got cut by the bullet because he was being lackadaisical.

I guess the bullet was too fast for Flash to react to.

Let me ask you this, are you trying to say that anytime Superman 'pushed it' he would be too fast for Flash to react to?

Originally posted by Newjak
You know I do find this whole scenario funny coming from the guy who posted a scan not even a couple pages ago of Flash being hit by a bullet because he was what not in the proper mind set.

And he you know got cut by the bullet because he was being lackadaisical.

I guess the bullet was too fast for Flash to react to.

😂

Did you just compare the situation when Flash sees Superman's attack coming, can't react to move out of the way fast enough and is shocked that he was actually hit - to an ability Flash just developed that made him unable to make the difference between what he had done and what he was about to do effectively freezing his body until the attack had already landed, by calling them "hey, he wasn't in the proper mindset"?

In all these years, have you seriously not advanced at all mentally?

Originally posted by Newjak

Let me ask you this, are you trying to say that anytime Superman 'pushed it' he would be too fast for Flash to react to?

Superman pushing it means he's able to go into Flash's category of speed, which means he can land attacks without Flash dancing around them, not unlike - the example I already pointed out - boxers being able to hit eachother even if one is faster.

Personally I'd like to see where this new superman rates and if it's him just being that good or Flash getting a bit of a speed nerf. If it's the latter I'll be quite pleased that they aren't going to have him off the bat be completely invalid as a reasonable foe because none of his opponents can touch him. Especially this early on.

Honestly, there's nothing to fuss over.

Keep in mind that this is Flash early on in his career, so fans of Barry or the Flash mythos shouldn't be offended that Superman did that. Secondly, DCnU Superman is being portrayed as nothing short of impressive.

It's not PIS or jobbing or anything like that.

agreed just post scans nimcompoops and merry new year to yall

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Originally posted by Philosophía
😂

Did you just compare the situation when Flash sees Superman's attack coming, can't react to move out of the way fast enough and is shocked that he was actually hit - to an ability Flash just developed that made him unable to make the difference between what he had done and what he was about to do effectively freezing his body until the attack had already landed, by calling them "hey, he wasn't in the proper mindset"?

In all these years, have you seriously not advanced at all mentally?

Superman pushing it means he's able to go into Flash's category of speed, which means he can land attacks without Flash dancing around them, not unlike - the example I already pointed out - boxers being able to hit eachother even if one is faster.

First off I did not know at that moment he gained his powers, if that is the case then I'm wrong on that.

As for having advanced mentally. Yeah let's get something clear I'm not stupid, I'm actually fairly intelligent, and you saying such a statement is in fact idiotic as it shows the kind of person you are. Had I not been wrong about the background of the scan then my point would have been valid. You corrected it and I'm willing to say its not anymore.

As to the rest of it. I still find it funny that you equate Superman tagging Flash by flicking his finger as be all proof that Superman is somehow in Flash's league. When in the previous panels Flash effortlessly avoided him, and saw a punch coming his way and was avoiding it.

Also to sit and think that Superman pushing it somehow makes him in him Flashes league when the entire time Flash was basically playing around with him, well I find it a little crazy.

Yes you can catch someone off guard does not mean you can do it if that someone is prepared.

Also FYI most boxers aren't so much slower than their opponents that they swing and only barely connect because they flick their fingers. At least not if they want to stay in boxing for long.

As for Superman Flash I could care less what level of speed they are. All I know is your statements and your answer to the above question show that you are trying to hint at if not flat out say Superman is Flash's equal or greater in speed or close enough.

The scan doesn't support that at all. What was shown is that Superman trying to grab Flash was useless as he couldn't even touch him. When he tried to hit him, Flash was still able to avoid it as shown in the panel that the fist was not going to connect.

He flicks him which surprised Flash yes.

Could you be right maybe, could it be shown in the future that Superman can push it and connect with Flash that easily again maybe. But to take it as fact from those two pages, I think you are looking with Rose Colored glasses at that feat. Cause at the end of it Superman is fast and maybe took Flash by surprise yes, but to sit here and act like that means he can do it on a regular basis against a Flash who won't take Supes' speed lightly... yeah I think you can switch Flash and Supes names with character x and character y and you would find a multitude of posters who wouldn't be willing to commit to that idea with other characters yourself included.

I even said if there was somewhere else in the book that said or added more to those pages I would be willing to concede. I'm willing to concede that I was wrong about your previous scan of Flash. As it stands though you have an idea that could be proved true in the future but to say that those two pages are definitive proof of your stance, I think you need to mature mentally.

Originally posted by Philosophía
They went out of their way to show a panel of Flash seeing the hit coming, while they were both engaging at superspeed, not being able to dodge in time and being flicked away - and then express shock that he had been hit, eventough he had just seen Superman trying to speedblitz him initially.

Superman pushing himself is able to reach a level where he can compete with Flash's ridiculous reaction/battle speed, and this just went to show that.

The whole issue was quite awesome, as Superman was taking turns at trashing Batman, Hal and Barry.

to be honest that looks like superspeed coupled with superior fight tactics, like superman basically knew where flash would end up and he is fast enough to land it

Superman has always been just a step below flash's league of speed. Even pre-reboot he caught an out of control flash. I don't know why it's a surprise that he tagged flash?

but i'd surmise that his battle smarts were more important in that situation.

Pretty much.

Kal's fast enough to be able to compete with a typical Flash's speed and he just so managed to be able to figure out where Barry would be. It was a combination of speed, skill, and luck. It's really nothing to debate, tbh.

all of superman's attacks prior to that flick were reactive to flash's position, and when he moved superman looked stupid, unfortunately for flash his big mouth made superman think and it looks like he switched up trying to catch him for herding him into a trap

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Originally posted by guy222
agreed just post scans nimcompoops and merry new year to yall


Is this canon?
I mean is Creed back for good?

Still awesome. Reboot Superman should stay this way. I better not see him jobbing anytime soon...well unless it is to put Darkseid over like he should always do.