Character Ownage

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Always had? It was very clear that Surfer was more comfort on a noticeably lower level in the past but could amp himself by channeling the Power Cosmic.

In the last 2 decades or so, I think his just been considered -top tier- strong, without any of that amping complications. Although further augmentation is still possible with charged fists etc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he's always shown up the Hulk and really hasn't been fazed by his strength in the ancient past. Recently, he's shown it off more but just because he usually fights by other means doesn't mean he isn't one of the big boys. If he went all out more often top tiers would be a lot more wary of him.

Yeeeaaa, this isn't something that's really debatable unless you wish to completely ignore some scenes.

In his battles against the Hulk, he illustrates impressive blunt force durability more than anything. Probably better examples out there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeeeaaa, this isn't something that's really debatable unless you wish to completely ignore some scenes.

In his battles against the Hulk, he illustrates impressive blunt force durability more than anything. Probably better examples out there.

The guy used to laugh off the hulk like he was a minor annoyance. With comics due to the amount of writers with this many appearances you will always find inconsistent showings here and there outside his norm. If any character truly has such a thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't completely immune to top tier strength but the guy is clearly in the same tier as the elites in terms of strength.

The guy used to laugh off the hulk like he was a minor annoyance. With comics due to the amount of writers with this many appearances you will always find inconsistent showings here and there outside his norm. If any character truly has such a thing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeeeaaa, this isn't something that's really debatable unless you wish to completely ignore some scenes.

In his battles against the Hulk, he illustrates impressive blunt force durability more than anything. Probably better examples out there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I literally have nothing else relevant to say. Sure, I can word it differently (A common task on forums) but the main point would be the same.

Either you agree with it or not. Doubt we'll find any middle ground. I'll sum it up for you one more time though since I like you so much:

Surfer has clearly been more comfortable at below Top Tier strength in the past and amps up by infusing his limbs with the Power Comics; his battles with the Hulk illustrate excellent durability more than any pure strength showings from what I remember (He gets knocked around but isn't really that hurt).

Classic surfer had to amp himself against thing and has been outbrawled by thing in h2h. That scene of surfer shrugging off hulk's blows is a very low showing for hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I literally have nothing else relevant to say. Sure, I can word it differently (A common task on forums) but the main point would be the same.

Either you agree with it or not. Doubt we'll find any middle ground. I'll sum it up for you one more time though since I like you so much:

Surfer has clearly been more comfortable at below Top Tier strength in the past and amps up by infusing his limbs with the Power Comics; his battles with the Hulk illustrate excellent durability more than any pure strength showings from what I remember.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Classic surfer had to amp himself against thing and has been outbrawled by thing in h2h. That scene of surfer shrugging off hulk's blows is a very low showing for hulk.

Classic Thor thought a fall off a sky scrapper would kill him (and it did ko him). Classic interpretations of the characters have very little importance when considering their current incarnations.

Silver Surfer explained in his original appearance that he allowed himself to lose to Thing b/c it was the easiest way to get away from him and off the roof..

he let himself be punched off a roof. 😬

he told this to Alicia when he landed on her building.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Classic Thor thought a fall off a sky scrapper would kill him (and it did ko him). Classic interpretations of the characters have very little importance when considering their current incarnations.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Classic Thor thought a fall off a sky scrapper would kill him (and it did ko him). Classic interpretations of the characters have very little importance when considering their current incarnations.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just agree with me and I will cease being as relentless.

I am an unmovable rock that you crash helplessly into. I stand unmoved while you fall still around me.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Classic Thor thought a fall off a sky scrapper would kill him (and it did ko him). Classic interpretations of the characters have very little importance when considering their current incarnations.

Out of curiosity, what are you referring to?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I am an unmovable rock that you crash helplessly into. I stand unmoved while you fall still around me.

Out of curiosity, what are you referring to?

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you didn't notice, I was talking about classic surfer shrugging off hulk's blows. Well classic surfer was koed by hammers and laser rifles, so another point for thor.

My point remains the same, classic incarnations of characters are of little relevance. Hulk wasn't anywhere in the same vicinity of strength then as he is now and virtually every character with powers has been amp exponentially.

Thor was koed by a bullet, the falling mast of a ship and Vietcong artillery shell. Another point for Surfer. 😎

Originally posted by quanchi112
I like when it when other posters seek to emulate me.

I apologize Mr. Aurelius.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor was koed by a bullet, the falling mast of a ship and Vietcong artillery shell.

The falling ship mast was a low showing I always found skeptical. It was made clear that Umar was responsible and in the very same issue he withstands the weight of a score of planets. Which falls in line with Claremont considering Thor to be incredibly powerful (Unless it's Rogue's touch apparently).

Not that much of an outlier when you think about it. Thor had a weakness to artillery (The smaller the calliber, the more the damage apparently as backwards as that sounds). Unfortunately Busiek can't let go of it as he grew up in the Silver Age.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My point remains the same, classic incarnations of characters are of little relevance. Hulk wasn't anywhere in the same vicinity of strength then as he is now and virtually every character with powers has been amp exponentially.

Thor was koed by a bullet, the falling mast of a ship and Vietcong artillery shell. Another point for Surfer. 😎

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I apologize Mr. Aurelius.

The falling ship mast was a low showing I always found skeptical. It was made clear that Umar was responsible and in the very same issue he withstands the weight of a score of planets. Which falls in line with Claremont considering Thor to be incredibly powerful (Unless it's Rogue's touch apparently).

Not that much of an outlier when you think about it. Thor had a weakness to artillery (The smaller the calliber, the more the damage apparently as backwards as that sounds). Unfortunately Busiek can't let go of it as he grew up in the Silver Age.

I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of any of these examples, the opposite in fact, I brought them up because they don't matter. Every character - especially one who has Silver Age appearances - has illogical low showings to accompany the high ones. We can't hold Silver Surfer accountable for his and ignore Thor's.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I agree about that, that was my point all along.
Surfer was koed by poisoned cofee or soup IIRC and put in an armbar by T'challa. Another point for thor. 😛

Gotcha, then we all agree! Hurray!

It warms my heart to see Surfer fans drooling over feats that Superman has taken to the corner, beaten and taken the lunch money of, two upgrades ago.

Throws a ship the size of a small moon from Earth’s solar system to another – noticing his increased capabilities.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SpaceshipSmallMoon.jpg

Slowly, but surely, Surfer is coming close to being pre-Loeb Superman's little, paraplegic brother.

Stop being such a f*g and let Surfer enjoy his showing.

Edit: Just read Deviants #4. I know Rob Rodi is more of a Conan sword and sorcery type writer but his Thor either needs to be written a lot more powerfully or stop holding back so much (I'm assuming it's the latter, as in the previous mini Thor topped out at planet atomizing in general energy projection which isn't that bad).