Originally posted by psycho gundam
why are pretty much all marvel comics so horribly penciled?
Because DC and Image have the better sketch artists, and that's due to the fact that marvel often takes a hatchet to the original designers plans of the very character that the artist themselves created. Cable is a prime example. Marvel is a great company but they tend to mistreat their employees from what i have both heard and read.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Eh, Thanos' freakish durability kept him conscious and whatnot, but Odin looked decisively superior through out the entire thing and seemed ready to continue the ass kicking.
that's just not true.
i broke down the entire fight panel for panel in another thread, and it was back and forth for the entire middle segment. And within the panels, Odin even explicitly says Thanos' power potential/reserve is similar to his own.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
that's just not true.i broke down the entire fight panel for panel in another thread, and it was back and forth for the entire middle segment. And within the panels, Odin even explicitly says Thanos' power potential/reserve is similar to his own.
Odin had taken virtually no damage by the end of the fight. Conversely, Thanos was charred and obviously looked like hell. The fact that he was able to stand up to his feet and refuse to lie down is a testament to his durability/damage soak to be sure, but it's incredibly obvious that Odin was his superior through out that entire fight. Odin praising him is all well and good, but Odin dealt with Thanos' attacks with greater ease than vice versa. Even a Thanosi with his memories (published at the time as the real deal) acknowledged that Odin beat him.
I really can't see it as a stalemate at all, tbh.
I'll just quote my entire post from here:
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No.He did not 'dominate' Thanos by any stretch of the imagination. Nor was there anything indicating that he was somehow going easy on him power output wise--especially not when you take the dialogue of Odin lauding Thanos as a very worthy opponent and bringing out Gugnir to demonstrate how serious he was about it.
This is how the point by point break down went:
1. Odin blasts Thanos first one-handed. Thanos stands there unphased. (don't care if someone argues a force field, irrelevant. though it was neither mentioned nor outright displayed)
2. Thanos and Surfer blasts Odin together, Odin quickly eliminates Surfer, showing his influence in the fight was minor.
3. Odin blasts thanos again with two hands, this blast is slightly more effective as Thanos is somewhat unbalanced, still standing easily but one foot above the ground.
4. Thanos charges at Odin, can't tell if he missed with the punch or Odin blocked with his charged up wrist or what, as there is nothing to indicate exactly in the scan but anyway Odin blasts Thanos away from close quarters.
5. Thanos is up standing immediately and casually, suit and himself completely undamaged. Odin is surprised that Thanos is alive. Thanos blasts Odin two handed and this blast is felt clearly by the skyfather as he is forced to put his arms up to block it, but the impact is still clearly pushing his upperbody back. --More or less this blast and its subsequent effect is on par with the two handed blast Odin shot at Thanos at number 3.
6. Odin sends some asteroids at Thanos, while telling the titan that Thanos taps into a nearly limitless source of power, and notes that he himself is connected to a 'similar reserve' of power. Thanos easily busts up those asteroids while they are verbally jousting. This statement outright admits that he and Thanos both have a power source/reserves of similar power. I don't care how anyone else tries to finagle a different interpretation out of it, its right there on the page.
7. Some more talking, Thanos traps Odin in a block of pure force. Odin uses eye beams to weaken it enough to break out.
8. Odin gets serious and brings out Gugnir. Blasts Thanos with it. Thanos goes flying into some buildings in Asgard. Thanos gets up immediately, not a scratch on him or his suit, and he isn't talking as if he was taxed by the blast at all.
9. Thanos trudges through a second, more continuous blast. Odin has both of his hands on Gugnir's shaft, about two-thirds up it. Thanos grabs Gugnir with one hand, just below the blade.
10. Odin and Thanos have a bit of a struggle over the spear and then he sends them flying while they are both holding on to it and they land with an explosion, finally Thanos' grip is off it and can be considered the 'loser' after this point.
For the last point, the important thing to note here is that Odin was not able to simply rip Gugnir out of Thanos' grasp despite Odin using both hands and having better leverage since he's holding it past the middle of the shaft, and while Thanos used only one hand the whole time, had inferior leverage, and was weakened by the blast itself.
How was it a 'domination' if Odin did no actual damage whatsoever prior to bringing out Gugnir, and prior to its usage was engaged in trading a few moves with Thanos in which neither were able to actually affect the other? Furthermore, he basically outright states that they have access to similar power levels, and he praises Thanos as a warrior. It was not casual nor one-sided nor a domination in the least.
It's a faulty interpretation. It was a good fight. And a fight in which Thanos showed great physical strength against a skyfather as well.
People have been twisting the portrayal of that fight for years, all seemingly to spite Thanos. What's more, Thanos is far more powerful now too.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'll just quote my entire post from here:People have been twisting the portrayal of that fight for years, all seemingly to spite Thanos. What's more, Thanos is far more powerful now too.
It's not really twisting it when that's what happened. By the end of said fight, Odin looked fresh and ready for more even though he begrudgingly praised Thanos and his capabilities. Thanos, on the other hand, didn't succeed in damaging Odin and looked like hell in comparison. Just because Thanos wasn't KO'd or killed or incapacitated doesn't mean he "stalemated" Odin. As far as Gungnir is concerned, considering said weapon doesn't amp Odin's blasts but rather just focuses his internal, Odin summoning it isn't a testament of his own power being insufficient to battle Thanos. I'll also chalk up Thanos possessing powers as potentially limitless as Odin's own as hyperbole considering Thanos power displays under his own powers fall significantly short to Odin's.
And then there's the Thanosi' POV in which he felt that Odin clearly defeated him.
This fight is a great feat for Thanos in that he's able to endure a great deal of punishment from Odin, but we shouldn't make it anymore than it was.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin had taken virtually no damage by the end of the fight. Conversely, Thanos was charred and obviously looked like hell. The fact that he was able to stand up to his feet and refuse to lie down is a testament to his durability/damage soak to be sure, but it's incredibly obvious that Odin was his superior through out that entire fight. Odin praising him is all well and good, but Odin dealt with Thanos' attacks with greater ease than vice versa. Even a Thanosi with his memories (published at the time as the real deal) acknowledged that Odin beat him.I really can't see it as a stalemate at all, tbh.
How do you think the fight would have went if Odin didn't pull out his weapon.?
I don't think it was a stalemate, Odin was superior, but I think CC's analyses disputes the idea that Thanos was "stomped hard", which I've heard people describe the fight as. Mr.Master did a similar panel-by-panel analyses, and came to the same conclusion. Odin won of course, but was it a stomp? I don't think so.
