Character Ownage

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Logan was fighting really smart though. Him getting rid of the grip on the shield was a smart move that cost Cap the fight IMO. Besides he does have a few advantages over Cap.

I'm glad. Sick of Cap just beating everyone with da power of Justice.

*sigh* So Wolverine was fighting smarter than Cap was...FFS. Wow thats not OOC is it? facepalm Think I'm gonna kill myself, Wolverine fanboys are gonna go crazy.

Cap doesn't job people.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, somehow I doubt that's what Captain America was going for. There wasn't any obvious intent to mock Thor or placate him and as far as I know (At least based on his interactions with Thor), he isn't one to offer false praise or maneuver people that way.

I'm not taking this as conclusive evidence or anything, but Carver is a huge hypocrite if he doesn't accept this based on his previous claims based on a Banner comment.

Hulk said he had reached an all time anger high fighting Iron Man. Hulk was winning near the end but Iron Man held his own and essentially stalemated him (There's a scan missing where he blasts him in the face downing him) although he would have lost eventually.

It's not like Thor was significantly weakened in that issue, he beat the Executionar handily after trying to talk down failed and this is DeFalco we're talking about. We know his Thor is pretty formidable.

This is just another case of a team trying to reason with a single individual but failing, in part due to reverse ninja law. Hulk's not special, it's happened to other characters. And unless DeFalco thinks Iron Man > Avengers (Lol), the only logical explanation is the one obviously given to us by the writer to justify the situation.

*sigh* I guess I don't want to believe that Cap actually said that on panel.

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Originally posted by Deadline
*sigh* So Wolverine was fighting smarter than Cap was...FFS. Wow thats not OOC is it? facepalm Think I'm gonna kill myself, Wolverine fanboys are gonna go crazy.

Cap doesn't job people.

LoL What? I'm far from a Wolverine fanboy. Where did I go wrong? It was smart of Logan to cut the grip, was it not? I also didn't say he fought smarter than Cap, did I? Relax. Its okay for Cap to resort to friends and BFR every once in a while. It is not the end of the world.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Hulk can also easily defeat thor if he choses to. Its vice versa

Originally posted by Zack Fair
LoL What? I'm far from a Wolverine fanboy. Where did I go wrong? It was smart of Logan to cut the grip, was it not? I also didn't say he fought smarter than Cap, did I? I also never mentioned anything about them fighting out of character.

Sorry part of it wasn't aimed at you, or maybe it was but no you're not a Wolverine fanboy.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
At least they acknowledge that a BFR is the only option Cap has against Logan. I thought it was funny that Wolverine no sells a 10,000 foot drop like it's nothing... and meanwhile Pym is nannying around Cap who can barely walk on his own after Wolverine tagged him three times (two of which were glancing blows).

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Um I'n not so sure thats the only way. Cap had already planned that the Avengers would be there he didn't need to go all out because he knew the other Avengers were there. When Cap said he believed that Cap could beat him mostly likely wasn't delusional it just that fight his fight included using the Avengers (that is what he said). Considering the fact that Wolverine actually had to pause for a little bit because of Caps punched, I dont think so.

Of course we would could assume that Wolverine is more likely to win but again we can clearly see that Cap was the more skilled opponent.

EDIT: LOL reading the scans again we can clearly see the fight was already set up before hand. It's just like Cap said he didn't need to beat Wolverine or try his best when he had the other Avengers there, but clearly Cap thought he could beat him and hes probably right.

Originally posted by Deadline
Excuse me where did it state they were glancing blows you liar? Not to mention that Wolverine was actually stunned by Caps punches and actually stopped fighting briefly.

If they weren't glancing blows, Cap would get cut in half (or at least his insides would end on the floor) and he'd lose an arm.

The Shield Bash of Justice and the Right Hook of Self Righteousness
anyone have the scans of Cap when he beats on Punisher while he is tied up cause Punisher cause Cap out on his naivete?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If they weren't glancing blows, Cap would get cut in half (or at least his insides would end on the floor) and he'd lose an arm.

Yea yea forget I said that, just lost my shit for a moment...lol. Were gonna assume thats was because of Caps skill right?

Originally posted by Nietzschean
The Shield Bash of Justice and the Right Hook of Self Righteousness
anyone have the scans of Cap when he beats on Punisher while he is tied up cause Punisher cause Cap out on his naivete?

By the way y'know Punisher let Cap beat on him?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
AVX Thing vs. Namor was the worst written fight I've seen since BP armbar'd Silver Surfer

Hater 😈

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea yea forget I said that, just lost my shit for a moment...lol. Were gonna assume thats was because of Caps skill right?

By the way y'know Punisher let Cap beat on him?

Originally posted by Deadline
Um I'n not so sure thats the only way. Cap had already planned that the Avengers would be there he didn't need to go all out because he knew the other Avengers were there. When Cap said he believed that Cap could beat him mostly likely wasn't delusional it just that fight his fight included using the Avengers (that is what he said). Considering the fact that Wolverine actually had to pause for a little bit because of Caps punched, I dont think so.

Of course we would could assume that Wolverine is more likely to win but again we can clearly see that Cap was the more skilled opponent.

EDIT: LOL reading the scans again we can clearly see the fight was already set up before hand. It's just like Cap said he didn't need to beat Wolverine or try his best when he had the other Avengers there, but clearly Cap thought he could beat him and hes probably right.

I think you are selling Captain America short with the assumption that he came at Wolverine half cocked because he knew he would have back up coming. That's not how Cap rolls, he gives 110% at all times. Wolverine out classes him physical so Captain America planed accordingly and came up with a strategy to take him out with some light prep and team work. There is little their to suggest that he would have been more successful on his own in a street melee with Wolverine, or even that his dialogue would still hold true outside of the context of the issue where Cap know that he had back up and was going to vent Wolverine out the side of a plane.

Wolverine's gut rack, shield disarm, fallowed by gut kick combo was the most impressive display of skill in the issue. I would say if anything he came off as the more skilled of the two, even with his OOC attempt to kill Cap which resulted in his claws getting stuck in the wall.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's not how Cap rolls, he gives 110% at all times.

Stating lies as if they were facts, fake debate tactic # 4 😉

Cap beat the shit out of Wolverine

Originally posted by guy222

Also, Surfer + Fist team up = sex

Originally posted by guy222

Another speed ft for Hulk.

Originally posted by Bentley
Stating lies as if they were facts, fake debate tactic # 4 😉

That's a rhetorical quest FYI, I already know the answer is no. 😎

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Cap beat the shit out of Wolverine

Why the Skrulls lost. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/972963341_cec1a234ef_o.jpg

Originally posted by FlyingAces
Wow, surprised Cap didn't do better in the AvX fight. In the end it looks like Wolvie is in better shape and would have taken it in the long run.

Strikes Landed-
Most Strikes Landed, Captain America.

- Captain America: 3 (4, if you count the "Shield-tox" facial work Cap gave Logan while he was still groggy from being hit by Giant Man)

- Wolverine: 2 (3, if you count Logan attempting to cut off Cap's arm. He did not try "slashing the shield grips".)

Conviction-Level of Combatants-

- Captain America- Strategic/Non-Lethal, 80% Serious, only going for the BFR: Never intended to harm Wolverine. As usual, Cap had it all planned out from the start, just to temporarily get rid of Logan. Cap played with him.

- Wolverine- Lethal, 100% Serious, Non-Berserker: Was totally serious, with 2 attempted "kill strikes" and a slash attempted to cut off Cap's shield-arm. (see below).

[Kill Strikes-
For future reference, it cannot be said that Wolverine was not serious.- 2 of Wolverine's strikes were attempted "kill strikes".
- 1 Disembowling Slash (landed, but shallow)
- 1 Claw Lunge to chest/throat (missed)
- 1 Non-Lethal, Maiming strike to Cap's Shield-Arm, (glancing)

Speed Performance-
Faster Combatant, Captain America.

Captain America:
1. Catches Logan with first strike.
2. Able to bring his shield up for defense.
3. Able to immediately strike Logan again.
4. With a Slashed Abdomen, is able to easily dodge Claw Lunge, retrieve Shield and throw, for a strike to the back of Logan's neck. (That's pretty quick)

Wolverine:
1. Able to slash at Cap's shield-arm during mid-swing.
2. Immediately able to connect with sidekick after shield-slash melee.

Damage-
[b]Slight edge to Captain America.[]
1. Both faces are bloody.
2. Cap has slashed abdomen and arm.
3. Logan is shown to be shaky as he stands, hunched over in the panel where he asks Cap, "You seriously think you can take me?".
4. Cap must have done some serious damage to Wolverine if Giant man was able to easily sneak up on him from behind and pound him.

So, I see Captain America, not only as the winner, but out of the two of them, he clearly was not intent on even harming Logan.

Captain America- Victorious.
Wolverine- Disgruntled.

Oh, I almost forgot...

CA- "Hey, Logan! What's that on your face?!"

W- "Wha?"

CA- " You Hairy, Little Ba$tard!"

Owned.