Character Ownage

Started by janus775,121 pages

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's what I thought but then I realized the Hulks hand that Emma is attacking mid-air is red.

And his other hand is green AND he is the only Hulk shown attacking her and just a few panels before, he has her on the floor.

You may speculate as much as you like (and you will, no doubt) but that was regular Hulk and he was perfectly alright during his confrontation with her. In fact he later fastballs Wolverine into Phoeclops so he definitely wasn't "swatted away".

The tie-in shows Phoerost being slammed down by Hulk, then cuts to the dinner and then cuts back to show her blasting Rulk and Wolverine, then it cuts back to the dinner again and then returns to another point in the fight, which is when Phoeclops nails her with the OB from behind.

The whole thing is a series of "jump cuts", so it doesn't affect the scene in the main comic where Hulk just powers through her unleashed PF attack.

Also, if you want to pursue the whole "Rulk waded through the attack" thing, you might note that UXM18 shows him getting smacked on the chin, far far too close up for the scene you're trying to confuse it with.

Originally posted by janus77
And his other hand is green AND he is the only Hulk shown attacking her and just a few panels before, he has her on the floor.

You may speculate as much as you like (and you will, no doubt) but that was regular Hulk and he was perfectly alright during his confrontation with her. In fact he later fastballs Wolverine into Phoeclops so he definitely wasn't "swatted away".

The tie-in shows Phoerost being slammed down by Hulk, then cuts to the dinner and then cuts back to show her blasting Rulk and Wolverine, then it cuts back to the dinner again and then returns to another point in the fight, which is when Phoeclops nails her with the OB from behind.

The whole thing is a series of "jump cuts", so it doesn't affect the scene in the main comic where Hulk just powers through her [b]unleashed PF attack.

Also, if you want to pursue the whole "Rulk waded through the attack" thing, you might note that UXM18 shows him getting smacked on the chin, far far too close up for the scene you're trying to confuse it with. [/B]

No his other hand is yellow, lit up. So you can't tell the colour.

He was swatted away because he wasn't shown when Emma was fighting Rulk and Wolverine. And keep in mind that Cyclops was preocuppied with Xavier the entire time and as soon as he escaped he went after Emma. So that, was indeed Rulk.

Keep in mind Wolverine was also fine after she swatted him too with TK.

Rulk didn't power through he jumped at her in mid-air and was blasted away, and stood next to Spider-Woman afterwards.

Also either way you want to look at it Green Hulk was swatted away after the sneak attack because he's no where in site when she's fighting Rulk and Wolverine.

Edit.
Hulk was in the vicinity, just not from the angle depicted in UXM. By your logic Rulk wasn't in the vicinity, since we don't see him from the angles depicted in AvX.

Look at the blast scene again (without the desperate desire to undermine Hulk). His arm and body was green, just with the light of her energy reflecting from the outer part of his hand and arm. Look at the colour of his arms, when he's slamming Phoerost to the ground - they're that same colour.

Basically Hulk was brought in to smash them - Captain America begs him to save The Avengers - and that's why he went after Phoenix Emma.

Hulk smashes her down, the others crowd in, she gets back up and begins to fly away, in-the process she smacks away Rulk and Wolverine and then, after she's got some distance, blasts Hulk (she's in mid air at that point) and is in-turn blasted by Phoeclops and then falls to the ground.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's what I thought but then I realized the Hulks hand that Emma is attacking mid-air is red.

Hmm I think thats a pretty tough call to make given that the whole panel is pretty much yellow, orange and red.

But similarly going off art miuntiae I think the depiction of the Hulks pants in that panel is more consistent with that of the Hulk. When we first see the green Hulk he has pants with torn knees while the Red Hulk has what seem to be shorts. Then again on the page after Rulk seems to be wearing full length pants (the art is very sketchy though) which dont really fit with the Hulk from that panel either.


She was attacking Wolverine from distance too so it's just a different angle.

Cant agree with this at all. Perspective can be tricky but it looks like shes a couple of feet away from both Rulk and Wolverine in the Uncanny issue. In the main series we can see verything in front of her for about 20 meters and Wolverine just isn't there.


Also, the battle was only going terribly because they weren't going to kill and it was testing their restraint, the more they were attacked the more both of them were forgetting why they didn't burn the world to ash in the first place. Which is something Rulk says in the Avengers tie-in. You're going to lose if you're not willing to kill. (Bendis wrote that too)

They seemed willing to open up with plenty of force - the blast that Cyclops sent at Xavier that was only blocked by Caps shield hurt even Cyclops himself when it reflected back and hit him.

More to the point what Emma said wasnt that they were just playing around and fighting with restraint but that the "only way to win" was to unleash their powers in full as would destroy the world. Which in other words means unleash the full Phoenix force IMO.

The Phoenix were fighting two fronts, keeping their restraint while the Avengers kept aggravating it. Like ants attacking a human and the human not trying to swat them (Again Bendis wrote that in the Illumanti issue). Like they said they are bigger then that.

From everything that was said they were going to lose without fully unleashing the Phoenix and that seems to have been what triggered Scotts decision to take Emmas power in the main series also.


It means Hulk was swatted some place off panel. Then Rulk and Wolverine came to help and Emma was in the process of dealing with them when Cyclops attacked her from behind. It's like completely different.

Also keep in mind Green Hulk is shown hitting Emma in human form in UXM 18 too.

This kind of makes the point though - that scene is completely different in UXM18 with Hulk hitting her from the front.

And that when Emma blasts Rulk they're in mid-air as Cyclops has to fly upward. So if anything that looks like Rulk was falling towards her and Emma blasted backwards while being hit in the back by Scott.

Again - the scene is completely different in UXM18 so im not sure we can draw any conclusions about the Hulk from that panels identity from this scene. The depiction of Cyclops taking her power is different in UXM 18 where its all him standing behind Emma and eyeblasting her while in the main series he just eyeblasts her out of the sky and then chokes it out of her on the ground. This sort of disconnect from one depiction of the same events to another is practically the rule rather than the exception in most events like this as these issues are all written/drawn concurrently from broad outlines rather than being tightly coordinated interpretations of precisely choreographed fights.

Unless there is further info revealed elsewhere I'll grant you that I cant definitively say that it was the Green Hulk and not Rulk. But at this stage I dont see much compelling evidence that it was Rulk either.

Furthermore, different hair styles. Rulk is depicted wearing long black trousers, in AvX (just the one scene), whereas Hulk is wearing the Hulk Pants...

Basically, there's no sense in your speculation, best to go with what AvX depicts - a fight between Hulk and Phoerost, where neither is damaged at all.

That Cyclops scene at the end looks familiar. By the end of next issue he'll probably scream "kill me!" and get oneshotted by Thor. Or somebody else this time seeing how Thor is a high meta these days.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
From everything that was said they were going to lose without fully unleashing the Phoenix and that seems to have been what triggered Scotts decision to take Emmas power in the main series also.

Incorrect.
No way they were going to lose. Even without unleashing their full power. Everybody present (with the exception of Hulk) had been dealt with easily in prior instances with Scott and Emma having less power than they had in AvX 11.

Scotts decision to take Emmas portion of the power has to do with him being outmatched by Hope at the end of AvX 10. It was stated on panel.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Incorrect.
No way they were going to lose.

Exactly. As much as this event has me weeping for the PF, Emma and Scott were having a freaking psychic dinner while the whole thing was going down.

In fact, the "fight" wasn't even their first priority it seems; Their relationship was, after Emma admitted to cheating on him with Namor.

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. As much as this event has me weeping for the PF, Emma and Scott were having a freaking psychic dinner while the whole thing was going down.

In fact, the "fight" wasn't even their first priority it seems; Their relationship was, after Emma admitted to cheating on him with Namor.

Yeah, that was insane. The crazy thing about this is, Cyclops was also having a psychic battle with Xavier as well during all of this. He was mentally ging against Xavier on a psychic level while having a convo in Emma mind as well.

Originally posted by janus77
Look at the blast scene again (without the desperate desire to undermine Hulk). His arm and body was green, just with the light of her energy reflecting from the outer part of his hand and arm. Look at the colour of his arms, when he's slamming Phoerost to the ground - they're that same colour.

Undermine Hulk ?

Anyways , if this is the blast scene in question :

Then , with the exception of the color of his left hand , the rest of his body is orangish-yellow . Ember-like , to be clearer .

As far as the scene in which he floors Emma goes , his arms aren't even visible at all , since they are completely engulfed in the bright golden phoenix flames :

^^Edit : With the exception of his shoulders and upper biceps of course .

lol @ "undermining Hulk"

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. As much as this event has me weeping for the PF, Emma and Scott were having a freaking psychic dinner while the whole thing was going down.

In fact, the "fight" wasn't even their first priority it seems; Their relationship was, after Emma admitted to cheating on him with Namor.

...she did what? facepalm

Originally posted by -Pr-
...she did what? facepalm

Oh crap, forgot the spoilers tag 🙁 Sorry dude.

Yeah...then Scott pawned her.

Originally posted by zopzop
Oh crap, forgot the spoilers tag 🙁 Sorry dude.

np. im just sad marvel is ruining a great couple. scans?

Originally posted by -Pr-
np. im just sad marvel is ruining a great couple. scans?

Originally posted by guy222
Originally posted by zopzop

...the ****.

It's sad that death is literally the only way to salvage some of the characters which have been butchered character wise because of this event.

And after this atrocity is completed, what's left of the X-Franchise goes to Bendis, which is a fate worse than death.

It was pretty obvious that Emma was going to cheat on Scott with Namor .

Who can blame her though ? Namor is like a narcotic drug to the blondies(Sue Storm can attest to that) .

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's sad that death is literally the only way to salvage some of the characters which have been butchered character wise because of this event.

And after this atrocity is completed, what's left of the X-Franchise goes to Bendis, which is a fate worse than death.


Bendis !?

👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇

PS : Although , on a positive note , at least we might get to see some naked Emma action in Bendis' X-Men . It'll be considerably less disturbing than the horrendous script he wrote for "The Avengers # 12.1" .