Originally posted by ODG
"Classic Yellow Tights Avengers" Wolverine helped beat Ultron months ago relative to the present as he was always there per Avengers vol.4 #12.1. AoU Logan returns himself to the present before the timeline distortion wave hits across history. He may or may not remember all the events that occurred in this abortion of a comic story.
But AoU never happened, so Avengers Wolverine never goes back in time, which should leave two different Wolverine's active in the present.
Doubt it will ever be explained or even brought up again, this brief conversation is already more time then Bendis spent thinking AoU.
Originally posted by ODG
I cannot believe how good Uncanny Avengers, New Avengers and Avengers are. It's unreal.
Yeah, they've been pretty damn good so far. I also like the portrayal of Thor's character. He was the level headed voice of reason in this issue.
Also, Wolverine being chewed out by Steve was hilarious. All this drama, X-men are just angst ridden drama machines, no wonder X-men fans are the way they are.
^ My favorite part is the argument between Wanda and Rogue. It just sounded so intelligent. And I don't even know which one of the two was right. I'm leaning towards Wanda. But Remender seemed to react to the backlash he received by writing a scene that took the best of criticisms (most were terrible) that lashed out at him and turned it into a voice within the comic.
I can't remember the last time that has ever happened. I wonder if he wrote that scene before or after the internet tried to lynch him.
Originally posted by srankmissingninLet me try to be more clear. The fight where Ultron is eventually destroyed by Hank's programming was a fight that had already taken place two years ago back in Avengers #12.1. They even re-used a whole bunch of the original pages. And Wolverine was there back then. He had participated in that fight. Originally, Ultron escaped after being whacked by Thor. This time, he didn't... and a longer fight played out. So that Wolverine is actually a "past" Wolverine.
But AoU never happened, so Avengers Wolverine never goes back in time, which should leave two different Wolverine's active in the present.Doubt it will ever be explained or even brought up again, this brief conversation is already more time then Bendis spent thinking AoU.
The Wolverine that returned with Sue is the "present" one who suffered through Age of Ultron but not Age of Morgana. He returned to the "present," to a repaired present timeline where Ultron never took over and then a time distortion wave struck.
The Age of Morgana Wolverine is technically a "future" Wolverine who died off-panel in some cave.
Originally posted by 753
sup srank, I still havent gotten around to reading the whole thing. can you break the logan time travesty down for me?
Wolverine goes back in time to kill Hank Pym, which creates a divergent timeline where Pym never existed. That timeline sucks almost as bad, because of some Morgana nonsense. The Wolverine from that timeline decides to go back in time and stop AoU Wolverine from killing Pym and gives him a fail safe that Tony Stark from the AoM universe came up with. AoU Wolverine kills AoM Wolverine and returns to the present, where logically there would still be a 616 Wolverine who would have never needed to travel into the past to kill Pym. Then the space time continuum shattered, Angela entered the 616 Marvel U and 616 Galactus was sent to Ultimate Marvel.
If AoU results as Karen Gillan being a half naked Angela in Guardians of the Galaxy movie... I guess it was all worth it though.
Originally posted by ODG
The Wolverine that returned with Sue is the "present" one who suffered through Age of Ultron but not Age of Morgana. He returned to the "present," to a repaired present timeline where Ultron never took over and then a time distortion wave struck.The Age of Morgana Wolverine is technically a "future" Wolverine who died off-panel in some cave.
I'm aware, but that still creates a timeline where "past" Wolverine has no reason to go back in time to stop Pym from creating Ultron because there was no Ultron Apocalypse in the first place. Logically there should be two different Wolverine in 616, just like there was two different Wolverines in the Age of Morgana.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThat theory only holds true if you stick to strict Back to the Future rules. In other time travel stories, when a time-traveler returns to the present, there are two other options: 1) he merges with his "present self" walking about; or 2) that "present self" isn't actually there and the adjusted timeline is waiting for the time-traveler to return, i.e., the timeline warped itself around him personally.
Wolverine goes back in time to kill Hank Pym, which creates a divergent timeline where Pym never existed. That timeline sucks almost as bad, because of some Morgana nonsense. The Wolverine from that timeline decides to go back in time and stop AoU Wolverine from killing Pym and gives him a fail safe that Tony Stark from the AoM universe came up with. AoU Wolverine kills AoM Wolverine and returns to the present, where logically there would still be a 616 Wolverine who would have never needed to travel into the past to kill Pym. Then the space time continuum shattered, Angela entered the 616 Marvel U and 616 Galactus was sent to Ultimate Marvel.If AoU results as Karen Gillan being a half naked Angela in Guardians of the Galaxy movie... I guess it was all worth it though.
Originally posted by srankmissingninClearly there aren't two Sues and Wolverines running about.
I'm aware, but that still creates a timeline where "past" Wolverine has no reason to go back in time to stop Pym from creating Ultron because there was no Ultron Apocalypse in the first place. Logically there should be two different Wolverine in 616, just like there was two different Wolverines in the Age of Morgana.
Originally posted by ODG
That theory only holds true if you stick to strict Back to the Future rules. In other time travel stories, when a time-traveler returns to the present, there are two other options: 1) he merges with his "present self" walking about; or 2) that "present self" isn't actually there and the adjusted timeline is waiting for the time-traveler to return, i.e., the timeline warped itself around him personally.
I think we've seen enough time travel in Marvel to know that doesn't happen.
Originally posted by ODG
That theory only holds true if you stick to strict Back to the Future rules. In other time travel stories, when a time-traveler returns to the present, there are two other options: 1) he merges with his "present self" walking about; or 2) that "present self" isn't actually there and the adjusted timeline is waiting for the time-traveler to return, i.e., the timeline warped itself around him personally.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think we've seen enough time travel in Marvel to know that doesn't happen.
I am not sure how this applies to what Bendis did in AoU, but it appears that time travel in Marvel is as of now, going the traditional route wherein new timelines end up getting created because the current one has split.
Originally posted by ODG
I've read enough comics to know that both happen.There aren't two Susan Storms and Wolverines running around.
When has either of those things happened in Marvel?
When AoU Wolverine killed Pym and returned to his present, there was two separate Wolverines. They didn't merge into one being, and the second Wolverine didn't disappear from existence when AoU Wolverine popped up in his timeline. When AoM Wolverine shows up and intervenes, and Wolverine goes back to the present again, the very same thing should happen, only with 616 Wolverine instead of AoM Wolverine.
I never said that their were, I said logically based on how Marvel has handled things in the passed and how things were already handled in this very story, there should be.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
According to the latest Uncanny Avengers, the current prime 616-timeline has split into 7 divergent futures, all of which are, oddly speaking, also prime timelines.I am not sure how this applies to what Bendis did in AoU, but it appears that time travel in Marvel is as of now, going the traditional route wherein new timelines end up getting created because the current one has split.
holy shit, that is some convulted cluster **** mess.... I love it.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
According to the latest Uncanny Avengers, the current prime 616-timeline has split into 7 divergent futures, all of which are, oddly speaking, also prime timelines.I am not sure how this applies to what Bendis did in AoU, but it appears that time travel in Marvel is as of now, going the traditional route wherein new timelines end up getting created because the current one has split.
The prime 616 timeline is splitting and creating alternate universe all the time. These seven divergent paths are all "prime" for Kang and of equal importance, but to the reader 616 is what we fallow and really the only thing that matters.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The prime 616 timeline is splitting and creating alternate universe all the time. These seven divergent paths are all "prime" for Kang and of equal importance, but to the reader 616 is what we fallow and really the only thing that matters.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
holy shit, that is some convulted cluster **** mess.... I love it.
