Character Ownage

Originally posted by carver9
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They didn't fight them the way Thor and Captain Universe did. This is one of the only times they fought against them.

the scans you posted is about heroes fighting Alephs, not builders though

I know. That's the only highlight Hulk had in that war...same with Hyperion. He really didn't do much either.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How powerful was the builder that Thor took down supposed to be?

That wasn't power, that was knowledge and tools to program the mindless wave.

Infinity and Hunger both turned to shit.

Infinity with the "mother" ****ing it up and Hunger with an amped Jones teleporting Galactus (who can casually teleport solar systems across the universe) into an alt universe.

And Hulk is not so much "Indestructible" as Indescribably crap, nowadays.

Originally posted by janus77
Infinity and Hunger both turned to shit.

Infinity with the "mother" ****ing it up and Hunger with an amped Jones teleporting Galactus (who can casually teleport solar systems GALAXIES across the universe) into an alt universe.

Originally posted by janus77
That wasn't power, that was knowledge and tools to program the mindless wave.

Infinity and Hunger both turned to shit.

Infinity with the "mother" ****ing it up and Hunger with an amped Jones teleporting Galactus (who can casually teleport solar systems across the universe) into an alt universe.

And Hulk is not so much "Indestructible" as Indescribably crap, nowadays.

what's wrong with Infinity exactly?

Originally posted by Warlord
what's wrong with Infinity exactly?

B) Builders - who the **** are they and why does no one (pre-Thor) actually try and kill one, one-on-one. Hand Ninja tactics fail all the time. It's just shitty contrivance that no one powerful (who isn't inherently compromised to them in someway) went to challenge them.

C) "Mother" ... suddenly she's powerful enough to end this, because the Ex Nihilo (who were previously brutally aligned to the builders and engineers) danced around her slumbering body, singing cumbayah?

D) What's the point of the universe's biggest empires getting together to fight THE BUILDERS, if they don't use any of their biggest weapons against them? Every empire has far better tech than The Builder's _FEEBLE_ "WORLD KILLER".

It was alright reading, going along with the _literally_ cosmic-scale PIS, of it all. As long as the universe's forces were losing and The Builders and Engineers were being presented as some universal correction, but it should have required COSMIC scale forces to resolve this, not The Avengers. And certainly not mallet man with a mjolnir-to-the-back (imitation is the sincerest form of flattery they say, Surfer must be pleased indeed).

ok so you don't like the event because the story isn't fully explained yet?
I am puzled as you but I will wait to express my criticism only when the event is over.
see how everything connects.
As for Thor instance it hardly made a difference in a physical matter rather than in a moral one regaining the Kree as allies.
I'd say overall it's better than the average Marvel event in the last years

Regarding D)... these empires have to actually use those weapons on the Builder's, Pretty sure the Builder's can predict moves couple of steps ahead and or are well prepared from what was shown earlier in the event.

Originally posted by ODG
Unclear. But it took just one Builder to turn the entire Annihilation Wave on itself. Literally.

The art on the Hulk scans is ... not great to say the least.

Originally posted by Warlord
I am puzled as you but I will wait to express my criticism only when the event is over.

Marvel events don't merit the benefit of doubt, unless they start really strong and keep momentum for several issues, they end up being tame.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
IIRC didn't it briefly show Hulk and Hyperion along with some other Avengers and Sh'iar soldiers stopping the Builders from invading a planet in that issue?

They stalemated their forces (Alephs etc.) but they didn't fight the actual Builders.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How powerful was the builder that Thor took down supposed to be?

I don't know, the Builders haven't really done much in terms of conventional power. That being said, they are obviously supposed to be ridiculously powerful. One of the reasons they sent Thor was because no one had any idea if the Builders could even be hurt or beaten. And the Supreme Intelligence seems to be in denial that one could actually be taken down.

Also, as pointed out, a single Builder defeated the entire Annihilation Wave:

Originally posted by ODG
Unclear. But it took just one Builder to turn the entire Annihilation Wave on itself. Literally.

Which is....ridiculous, to say the least.

Originally posted by ODG
Unclear. But it took just one Builder to turn the entire Annihilation Wave on itself. Literally.

So basically they took Nova's strategy from when he and the WM hacked Annihilus and programmed the bugs to destroy themselves and ramped it up a bit? Cool...

On another note, this event vs Annihilation thus far. What say you ODG?

Infinity has been amazing so far...don't know why people don't like it, but whatever.

How many tie-ins are there? If it's the dozens Marvel normally has, I'm far less interested.

Originally posted by Digi
How many tie-ins are there? If it's the dozens Marvel normally has, I'm far less interested.

This... I'd like to know as well because as of now I haven't read a single issue. One of the things that made Annihilation stand out was that it was basically 4 minis, then the main series. Simple.

Originally posted by Digi
How many tie-ins are there? If it's the dozens Marvel normally has, I'm far less interested.

Cool, thanks. I actually miss when events were 12 issues minimum. Everything feels so rushed with the 6-issue events they've had for at least the last decade. Tie-ins I can do without, but the arc itself should be longer.