Character Ownage

Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, Marvel really needs to use a bit of comic book 'science' to give us a new/better explanation for Hulk's powerset. This whole "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" thing is just stupid when you look at some of the retardedly haxxed feats he's preformed over the years.

I've long thought they should develop some sort of "Strength-Force" that Hulk's been tapping all these years, in order to make some of the dues ex feats seem a little more logical(by comic book/fictional standards, of course)-- not unlike DC did with Flash and the Speed-Force.

The Smash Force g_hulk

It really doesent even matter how they explain it. The stuff they have had Hulk do over the years makes him boring and unintersting. No matter what challege he is faced with he just "gets madder" and punches it. This is probably even a new low for Hulk . Ive bought the last 5 issues of Hulk but I wont be buying anymore now.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
It really doesent even matter how they explain it. The stuff they have had Hulk do over the years makes him boring and unintersting. No matter what challege he is faced with he just "gets madder" and punches it. This is probably even a new low for Hulk . Ive bought the last 5 issues of Hulk but I wont be buying anymore now.

Next issue, Hulk smash Cosmic Hierarchy! Written by Jonathan Hickman and edited by Brian Michael Bendis! 😘

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
It really doesent even matter how they explain it. The stuff they have had Hulk do over the years makes him boring and unintersting. No matter what challege he is faced with he just "gets madder" and punches it. This is probably even a new low for Hulk . Ive bought the last 5 issues of Hulk but I wont be buying anymore now.

The best stories are long past, Planet Hulk, WWH (not as good, but still very much readable and engaging), FOTH, most of the comics during the period when Banner was no longer Hulk...

And further back, there are stories that stand out as being both engrossing and illustrating an on-going development in the character, such as Tempus Fugit or even the Hulk stories from House of M.

Plus much of the Fixit era was really good, decent characterisation, really nice plots and the dialogue was quite pleasing too.

Right now, I personally am not a fan of what's going on. Feats aren't all that, in my opinion, the blur-speed thing is weak. Either have the balls to quantify it and place him amongst the speedsters or refrain from beating about the bush all together.

The best Hulk nowadays, seems to me, the Hulk that occasionally partakes of Avengers stories. Where Banner gets to have some decent interactions and Hulk faces decent (well, semi-decent) opposition.

The biggest turn off for me is the loss of over a decade's evolution of the Banner - Hulk dynamic. From hostility to necessity to understanding and honesty and even harmony. It all just went out the window, because writers couldn't think of anything to say.

Originally posted by zopzop
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Next issue, Hulk smash Cosmic Hierarchy! Written by Jonathan Hickman and edited by Brian Michael Bendis! 😘

Nah, he'll have to work his way up to that. Maybe kill LT first (maybe that's what he did?)...

Originally posted by Bentley
Personally I'd rather have a magical explanation, Hulk is but a Banner's dream.

Hulk as the true physical manifestation of Cyttorak in this dimension lol...

Originally posted by dmills
Hulk as the true physical manifestation of Cyttorak in this dimension lol...

That would downgrade the Hulk. And I'm only half kidding.

Why can't Hulk be a mystery? There have been hints that he absorbs the ambient gamma radiation of the Universe or that he taps into an alternate dimension of power but I wouldn't want a definitive explanation anymore then I'd want one for Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That would downgrade the Hulk. And I'm only half kidding.

Why can't Hulk be a mystery? There have been hints that he absorbs the ambient gamma radiation of the Universe or that he taps into an alternate dimension of power but I wouldn't want a definitive explanation anymore then I'd want one for Thor.

Seriously, Thor is of a race of beings of enhanced strength and magical powers, tapping into a force that his father controls and bestows.

Hulk taps into all forms of nuclear energy, ambient gamma radiation primarily and also channels energies from another universe.

There's nothing about that universe, nothing about others tapping into it or exploring it, nothing about how Hulk takes in radiation and outputs energy exponentially greater than he absorbed ...

And then there's the "anomalous powers", the attributes that have been there from day one, but are unknown to most who class Hulk a mere "brick", the magic smashing, the unerring accuracy, the astral interactions, the energy manipulation and warping abilities and the adaptation abilities ...

He could do with less angst and more exploration, imo.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=19126

Pants will be jizzed

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=19126

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=19126

Geezus...

So is that what the Avengers are supposed to look like after the war with the Builders? They didnt bring a change of clothes with them?

Ugh. Terrible.

How did Doom overcome the hammer's enchantment? Even if someone lifts it using an external mechanical unit or some kind of gravity manipulation, it wouldn't grant you its power. Only the Worth can wield it. He didn't use ANY of it's mystical powers I guess but Mjolnir as a blunt force being enough to stomp the Avengers, X-men and all of Earth's heroes? Well, I'm a Thor fan so I'm not going to complain but whatever.

And regarding the Silver Surfer. Taking his board doesn't grant you the Power Cosmic (Unless it's a recent occurrence) so why would ramming Doom with it, even with a massive cheap shot, make a difference?

So much bad, it feels like a What If. See people, ANYTHING can happen in a comic.

Well apparently Mjolnir overcame The Hulks ability to stand upright. Or get back up for that matter.

Well, obviously Mjolnir looked ridiculously powerful but I still think it's stupid. I'm just curious how Doom took out Thor originally. Although it's Doom, so anything from special gas to an Infinity Gem is fair game.

It was just so terribly written and for the sole purpose of making Nova look important and someone who can contribute. I have no problem with making characters look relevant but don't attempt it unless you can't make it not stupid.

Originally posted by Damborgson
With the way Hulk's going these days, yeah probably lol.

But Thor's always been able to control the winds and that's what lets him "fly". It's like what storm does, only better. 😛 Of course flying with Mjolnir in front of him has always been his trademark and all that.

I guess if you think about it, why would he fly without his weapon in the first place. it only makes sense that mjolnir's velocity helps him travel faster via the wind?

see. i'm not a troll 24/7

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ugh. Terrible.

How did Doom overcome the hammer's enchantment? Even if someone lifts it using an external mechanical unit or some kind of gravity manipulation, it wouldn't grant you its power. Only the Worth can wield it. He didn't use ANY of it's mystical powers I guess but Mjolnir as a blunt force being enough to stomp the Avengers, X-men and all of Earth's heroes? Well, I'm a Thor fan so I'm not going to complain but whatever.

And regarding the Silver Surfer. Taking his board doesn't grant you the Power Cosmic (Unless it's a recent occurrence) so why would ramming Doom with it, even with a massive cheap shot, make a difference?

So much bad, it feels like a What If. See people, ANYTHING can happen in a comic.

Spoken like a guy who's favorite character has been jettisoned away to a dead universe, replaced with an inferior, bumbling juvenile "Peter Parker in space" teenager featured in a book rife with a thus far hackneyed storyline. Oh,wait... lol.

Originally posted by dmills
Spoken like a guy who's favorite character has been jettisoned away to a dead universe, replaced with an inferior, bumbling juvenile "Peter Parker in space" teenager featured in a book rife with a thus far hackneyed storyline. Oh,wait... lol.

Yeah, that must be rough man. Especially after how big Nova became in the last decade.

What an absolutely pointless new Nova. He was supposed to be Loeb's new baby but he went nowhere with it and now it might as well be a Jubilee book.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, obviously Mjolnir looked ridiculously powerful but I still think it's stupid. I'm just curious how Doom took out Thor originally. Although it's Doom, so anything from special gas to an Infinity Gem is fair game.

It was just so terribly written and for the sole purpose of making NINO look important and someone who can contribute. I have no problem with making characters look relevant but don't attempt it unless you can't make it not stupid.

Corrected for accuracy. Please don't call that dude Nova.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, that must be rough man. Especially after how big Nova became in the last decade.

What an absolutely pointless new Nova. He was supposed to be Loeb's new baby but he went nowhere with it and now it might as well be a Jubilee book.

As a fan it's disappointing to have to sit through "kid gets mysterious powers and bumbles his way through various challenges until he becomes competent, "coming of age" superhero story, which was pretty much Nova for the first two decades of his existence. With Annihilation he had finally grown into the role of respected, powerful hero and responsible leader of men etc.

That said, business is business. Joe Q mentioned that Rider's book wasn't canceled because of sales, so for reasons that we'll probably never fathom they made the decision to go in this direction.