^ But see, that was in Afghanistan. As any religious doctrine, the tenants are susceptible to interpretation and then the enforcement of the society of the people (laws and such). The same religion is in Dubai but the society is far less strict as Afganistan's are. you're not discussing the Hijab more so than you are discussing the treatment of women in that country
Originally posted by JayDaDon
It's two reasons, mainly:a). They're the loudest
b). Many writers [you'd be surprised] aren't pandering - that's just them, writing their own agendas.__________________
@ Phil(why can't I quote what you say lol) you're right. Some of the shit being spewed in these comics cannot be faked, you have to truly believe it to put it in print. My question then becomes why are these writers being seeked out and why is editorial deciding this is the best way to represent the company as a whole?
Entertainment lives in its own bubble [i.e. see Hollywood lately], which is filled with SJWs. I don't think most of the people in the business disagree with this being the face of the company [I mean, these are the same people who replaced all of their wihte male characters with female/non-white male minority leads - Thor, Iron Man, Cap, Hulk].
These are the same people who portray Modok as Trump abusing mexicans:
These are the same people who portray refugee concerns as being literally Red Skull:
So yeah, comics are no longer metaphorical. They're politicized quite radically.
Entertainment lives in its own bubble [i.e. see Hollywood lately], which is filled with SJWs. I don't think most of the people in the business disagree with this being the face of the company [I mean, these are the same people who replaced all of their wihte male characters with female/non-white male minority leads - Thor, Iron Man, Cap, Hulk].These are the same people who portray Modok as Trump abusing mexicans:
These are the same people who portray refugee concerns as being literally Red Skull:
So yeah, comics are no longer metaphorical. They're politicized quite radically.
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
This is a bit cringy as far as dialog is concerned but WW does sort of explain why she's dressed that way and the issues with her usual dress.
It's a weak explanation, imo, a way for the writer to badly justify their position. And it doesn't affect the underlying feeling I had when I first saw it.
Eh, this whole thing is very much based on personal feelings about political/social stuff and what exactly it is you're reading.
I mean, Frank Miller's pretty dodgy ideas about women have come up more and more in his work over the years. Morrison's very 90's anarchist ideas inform the entirety of Invisibles (among with a ton of other weird stuff). Moore has explicitly condemned the people who see Rorschach's right-wing absolutionist morality as 'correct'.
Hell, the original appearance of the Sons of the Serpent that Stan Lee wrote they were doing the exact same stuff as in the Cap-Sam Wilson issues- attacking people who they thought shouldn't be Americans.
And then, Superman literally started in the golden age by taking down slum lords and Captain America's first cover was punching Hitler, which US Nazi's threatened Kirby over etc.
Basically, comics have always been political in some way, people should just get over it and not read stuff that might offend their delicate sensibilities.
Originally posted by -Pr-But see, that's how some women feel about it and without going into a whole diatribe of how some people feel about cultural dress right or wrong, as an individual (under a pen) WW felt that being covered up had personal benefits and that is a commonality some women hold as well.
It's a weak explanation, imo, a way for the writer to badly justify their position. And it doesn't affect the underlying feeling I had when I first saw it.
The second uniform she had on virtually covered her body as much as a burqa would and she explained why she wanted to wear it, the only difference is the connotation of the actual burqa some people have
I'll drop it cause this isn't a debate thread
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish👆
Eh, this whole thing is very much based on personal feelings about political/social stuff and what exactly it is you're reading.I mean, Frank Miller's pretty dodgy ideas about women have come up more and more in his work over the years. Morrison's very 90's anarchist ideas inform the entirety of Invisibles (among with a ton of other weird stuff). Moore has explicitly condemned the people who see Rorschach's right-wing absolutionist morality as 'correct'.
Hell, the original appearance of the Sons of the Serpent that Stan Lee wrote they were doing the exact same stuff as in the Cap-Sam Wilson issues- attacking people who they thought shouldn't be Americans.
And then, Superman literally started in the golden age by taking down slum lords and Captain America's first cover was punching Hitler, which US Nazi's threatened Kirby over etc.
Basically, comics have always been political in some way, people should just get over it and not read stuff that might offend their delicate sensibilities.
Eh, not to continue too much but I'll just say, the stuff with Dust in the mid-to-late 2000's X-men is a good explanation of the abaya/niquab veil stuff without it feeling 'pushed' b/c it's WW.
Basically, modesty as a religous choice (like nun robes etc) rather than oppression.
Idk, I can see why people might make more of an issue with WW but still, hardly the end of the world.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
But see, that's how some women feel about it and without going into a whole diatribe of how some people feel about cultural dress right or wrong, as an individual (under a pen) WW felt that being covered up had personal benefits and that is a commonality some women hold as well.The second uniform she had on virtually covered her body as much as a burqa would and she explained why she wanted to wear it, the only difference is the connotation of the actual burqa some people have
I'll drop it cause this isn't a debate thread 👆
I completely disagree with your reasoning, but okay. Non-debate, etc.
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Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, this whole thing is very much based on personal feelings about political/social stuff and what exactly it is you're reading.I mean, Frank Miller's pretty dodgy ideas about women have come up more and more in his work over the years. Morrison's very 90's anarchist ideas inform the entirety of Invisibles (among with a ton of other weird stuff). Moore has explicitly condemned the people who see Rorschach's right-wing absolutionist morality as 'correct'.
Hell, the original appearance of the Sons of the Serpent that Stan Lee wrote they were doing the exact same stuff as in the Cap-Sam Wilson issues- attacking people who they thought shouldn't be Americans.
And then, Superman literally started in the golden age by taking down slum lords and Captain America's first cover was punching Hitler, which US Nazi's threatened Kirby over etc.
Basically, comics have always been political in some way, people should just get over it and not read stuff that might offend their delicate sensibilities.
Not sure it's particularly the same thing, but again, not a debate thread.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, this whole thing is very much based on personal feelings about political/social stuff and what exactly it is you're reading.I mean, Frank Miller's pretty dodgy ideas about women have come up more and more in his work over the years. Morrison's very 90's anarchist ideas inform the entirety of Invisibles (among with a ton of other weird stuff). Moore has explicitly condemned the people who see Rorschach's right-wing absolutionist morality as 'correct'.
Hell, the original appearance of the Sons of the Serpent that Stan Lee wrote they were doing the exact same stuff as in the Cap-Sam Wilson issues- attacking people who they thought shouldn't be Americans.
And then, Superman literally started in the golden age by taking down slum lords and Captain America's first cover was punching Hitler, which US Nazi's threatened Kirby over etc.
Basically, comics have always been political in some way, people should just get over it and not read stuff that might offend their delicate sensibilities.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, this whole thing is very much based on personal feelings about political/social stuff and what exactly it is you're reading.I mean, Frank Miller's pretty dodgy ideas about women have come up more and more in his work over the years. Morrison's very 90's anarchist ideas inform the entirety of Invisibles (among with a ton of other weird stuff). Moore has explicitly condemned the people who see Rorschach's right-wing absolutionist morality as 'correct'.
Hell, the original appearance of the Sons of the Serpent that Stan Lee wrote they were doing the exact same stuff as in the Cap-Sam Wilson issues- attacking people who they thought shouldn't be Americans.
And then, Superman literally started in the golden age by taking down slum lords and Captain America's first cover was punching Hitler, which US Nazi's threatened Kirby over etc.
Basically, comics have always been political in some way, people should just get over it and not read stuff that might offend their delicate sensibilities.
Except...they managed to find balance and find ways to actually write decent stories back then. Kinda like DC's doing... and this argument suggest NOBODY had anything to say about such decisions back then and EVERYONE was just fine with controversial choices...
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, this whole thing is very much based on personal feelings about political/social stuff and what exactly it is you're reading.I mean, Frank Miller's pretty dodgy ideas about women have come up more and more in his work over the years. Morrison's very 90's anarchist ideas inform the entirety of Invisibles (among with a ton of other weird stuff). Moore has explicitly condemned the people who see Rorschach's right-wing absolutionist morality as 'correct'.
Hell, the original appearance of the Sons of the Serpent that Stan Lee wrote they were doing the exact same stuff as in the Cap-Sam Wilson issues- attacking people who they thought shouldn't be Americans.
And then, Superman literally started in the golden age by taking down slum lords and Captain America's first cover was punching Hitler, which US Nazi's threatened Kirby over etc.
Basically, comics have always been political in some way, people should just get over it and not read stuff that might offend their delicate sensibilities.
No you shouldn't get over it because it's part of an agenda and not a good one.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
The red skull page is probably the funniest thing I've seen in 2017. A lot of people unwittingly joined Hydra lmao
In Aquaman they also implied that people with Conservative values are terrorists as well, it was kinda veiled but still there.
Originally posted by Deadline
No you shouldn't get over it because it's part of an agenda and not a good one.In Aquaman they also implied that people with Conservative values are terrorists as well, it was kinda veiled but still there.
And Frank Miller, one of the truly great comic writers of all time, wrote Holy Terror. It's really, really awful in its viewpoint, plus it's just badly made. The point remains, art always has a viewpoint and agenda of some kind, sometimes one you don't agree with.
It's hardly the end of comics or whatever, people are overreacting as always.
And as for the whole 'the stories are bad' because of the politics: Half the people bitching about 'SJW comics' just look at the scans and don't read the books. Sam Wilson as Cap has been fairly entertaining (plus pokes fun at far right and far left, remaining somewhat central as per Nick Spencer's politics). Mockingbird, which people moaned about as feminist propaganda, was really entertaining and funny.
And yeah, some things do come across as too preachy for people, which is fair enough to be put off by that, but again- hardly the end of the world. DC still has good stuff, Marvel still has good stuff, Image is the new Vertigo with how much quality stuff it's putting out, IDW is solid, and so on. There're always still good comics even if you don't agree with some of the selection on offer.
I'll leave it at that though, as PR said, not a debate thread.
