Originally posted by Galan007👆
*This means everything DCnU Superman has done up to this point was accomplished in a significantly WEAKENED/DIMINISHED/NEUTERED state(logically around half power).... Let that soak in for a moment. 🙂...That has got to be one hell of a nutkick to the Superman-haterz, btw. Lulz. vin
The fact that a half-power Superman:
a). Ripped trans-Doomsday in half [who broke WW's arms with a strike, broke the PZ, nobody could fight him for more than seconds/minutes other than Superman]
b). Bench-pressed the Earth for 5 days casually
c). Stopped Brainiac's high speed Jupiter-sized Earth-dwarfing ship
d). Punched hard enough to shake the entire Earth
e). Chilled in Black holes
f). Or this: http://i.imgur.com/551Dc4Y.jpg
g). Or this: http://i.imgur.com/LgcKPIl.jpg
etc.
...is simply ridiculous, given that any of those feats would be the highlight of any other character's career.
Originally posted by cdtmAlso, Quicksilver vs Mr. X
Pretty much the only PIS free example of a street/meta vs a brick in comics. 😉
Originally posted by PhilIndeed. He also contended quite well against Darkseid, and even forced him back -- and we now know Darkseid is a universal+ power, soooo... 👆
👆The fact that a half-power Superman:
a). Ripped trans-Doomsday in half [who broke WW's arms with a strike, broke the PZ, nobody could fight him for more than seconds/minutes other than Superman]
b). Bench-pressed the Earth for 5 days casually
c). Stopped Brainiac's high speed Jupiter-sized Earth-dwarfing ship
d). Punched hard enough to shake the entire Earth
e). Chilled in Black holes
f). Or this: http://i.imgur.com/551Dc4Y.jpg
g). Or this: http://i.imgur.com/LgcKPIl.jpg
etc....is simply ridiculous, given that any of those feats would be the highlight of any other character's career.
With all of that in mind, I don't know how anyone could even try to justify keeping Superman in the herald tier now. F*ck sake, how many 'herald'-level characters do you know of that have preformed numerous trans-level+ feats at ~HALF power(and casually in most cases)..? srsly
There isn't a feat right now that Superman could do that would convince people he is above the preconceived level the hate-gang want him at.
If ripping trans-Doomsday in half [when it was made a point that nobody on Earth could even have a prolonged fight against him except Superman], beating Imperiex Probes like they were toddlers [when each individual probe was trans-level roflstomping the rest of the heroes], beating Darkseid's eyes shut [when he was portrayed as skyfather level], counter-frequency-ing abstract Darkseid out of the Multiverse, one-shotting trans-Despero, physically overpower skyfather++ at laest Infinity Man etc. etc. weren't enough - when they comics themselves time and time again shows Superman as far above the other heroes, there ISN'T really anything that is left for him to do.
Every ridiculous feat is seen as something not showing his power - it's the OTHER guy that's actually week [see Darkseid]. He could one-shot the Presence and people would say God is just trans.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Shouldnt we wait until he gets into some actual fights after this before declaring Superman a skyfather?
You have such high expectations from Supertards? Have you ever seen what abhi's room looks like? Hundreds of Superman posters, all wet and sticky.
Superteam is probably going to argue that the merging had a DBZ Potara-esque effect, creating Supergito...
It'll be the same as always. Flying bricks never change.
Superman has beastly feats, nuSupes (~50% power) had beastly feats, but let's not get carried away acting like the new complete Superman is going to be written at any higher level than before.
For every multiversal feat he's going to get knocked the fuck out by a gas station. That's always been the case and always will.
Just sayin'
Originally posted by CosmicCometIt's not so much that he doesn't have feats that by calculations aren't above bench-pressing the Earth [I could just use Superman Beyond, and you can't go upwards of infinity], but the portrayal.
His blackhole holding feat was better than the earth benching feat though.And moving maggedon > the brainiac ship feat with j'onn.
Bench-Pressing the Earth for 5 days /Brainiac feat are literally magnitudes above what Pre-Flashpoint Superman has shown in every one of his interactions with planets/moons/objects of that size.
He's always struggled with them, needed help, or flat-out failed.
Always. Across years. And writers. Consistently.
Originally posted by Cogito
Superman has beastly feats, nuSupes (~50% power) had beastly feats, but let's not get carried away acting like the new complete Superman is going to be written at any higher level than before.For every multiversal feat he's going to get knocked the fuck out by a gas station. That's always been the case and always will.
Just sayin'
This is basically what I'm getting at. By himself, his solo feats(or space cheese as some call them) will be outstanding most likely, put him next to his peers in JL...is he gonna look head and shoulders over everyone or more or less the same?
Originally posted by JayDaDon
This is basically what I'm getting at. By himself, his solo feats(or space cheese as some call them) will be outstanding most likely, put him next to his peers in JL...is he gonna look head and shoulders over everyone or more or less the same?
Until then? Who knows? But Superman could oneshot Spectre and Silver Surfer (Just for an example) would still beat him 10/10 as per his fans.
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