Originally posted by Galan007
F*cking hell. I would have never....ever....factored him into the equation, but the dot-connecting does make a bit of sense considering *who* is in charge of this event, and his affinity for pre-crisis obscura.Still do wonder why the references to Ozy himself, though..? Were they just to throw us off, or are they still important to his character..? mmm
What references are you talking about? Mr. Oz backwards is Zor M.
Anyway, this is what Geoff Johns teased about Ozymandias:
Johns said he loves seeing the smartest man from one world talking to the smartest man from another. He said the smartest man on the DC Earth is indeed Lex Luthor.
Originally posted by Zack MThe fact that Mr. Oz spelled frontwards is "Mr. Oz". The fact that there's a guy from the Watchmen universe who aptly calls himself "Ozymandias". Also the tattoo that Oz's servant was branded with heavily resembled the logo of "Nostalgia perfume" -- a brand sold exclusively by Veidt's company in Watchmen. The fact that both are intellectual masterminds. The fact that both Mr. Oz and Ozy have distinctly colored blue eyes. Etc.
What references are you talking about? Mr. Oz backwards is Zor M.
Those references mostly. Wondering if they were there for any particular reason, or just to throw readers off..? /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
All y'all are forgetting that Superman's pre-crisis showings never really stopped being canon to him in post-crisis continuity(have a gander at JLA v4 #29 if you don't believe me.) So if pre-crisis showings come back into play during the crescendo of this arc, then it only reestablishes what we already knew -- his entire timeline is already canon. 🙂
You mean pre-CoIE? That Superman showed up again in Infinite Crisis, yeah? So yeah, his feats are canon, insofar as his character wasn't erased from continuity. But he was never post-CoIE Superman (mid-80's to Flashpoint era). So I'm confused, are you saying those two will be merged somehow? Or just that space-cheese pre-CoIE Superman's feats are valid, but for him, not all Supermen?
F*cking DC continuity, man. 😐 I'm only paying cursory attention to all this, but I like to at least have a general sense of where continuity stands.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, they suck.All those stupid Hals, Kyles, Johns, Alans, GUYS and other losers...
Not to mention their pussycat weak nemesi, like Thaal Sinestro.
What's he ever done? Just slaughtered the skyfather+ "one held off Spectre and Parallax" Guardians of the Universe in one room is all, big deal!
Originally posted by DigiLol, no worries.
You mean pre-CoIE? That Superman showed up again in Infinite Crisis, yeah? So yeah, his feats are canon, insofar as his character wasn't erased from continuity. But he was never post-CoIE Superman (mid-80's to Flashpoint era). So I'm confused, are you saying those two will be merged somehow? Or just that space-cheese pre-CoIE Superman's feats are valid, but for him, not all Supermen?F*cking DC continuity, man. 😐 I'm only paying cursory attention to all this, but I like to at least have a general sense of where continuity stands.
So I'm sure you know that DC has a few very distinct eras -- w/o getting into the Golden/Silver/Bronze Ages, there is:
*pre-crisis=anything that occurred prior to 1986.
*post-crisis=1986-2011.
*post-Flashpoint=DCnU=2011-current.
In a fairly recent comic, the timeline of post-crisis Superman was fused with the timeline of DCnU Superman -- they are literally one being now, who was essentially unaffected by the events of Flashpoint(same goes with any who are intimately linked to Superman's own timeline, like his rogue gallery and such):
http://i.imgur.com/yDP7D13.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vCf9F4Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hDs0qd7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/40T5Qnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s6NbrIh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qLdGHYe.jpg
And as I mentioned above: Superman's pre-crisis showings never stopped being canon in post-crisis continuity. In fact, Mxy's hijinks with Superman as far back as the Golden and Silver Ages were recently recounted as well:
http://i.imgur.com/Mp0ze5t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YEvPJ94.jpg
...which further substantiates the fact that ALL of Superman's showings EVER are canon to him now.
The only 'problem' you'll run into is that some people just don't want to choke down such a big pill, as it's got some asinine implications... But it's already an on panel fact, so fukem. ermmhappy
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, no worries.So I'm sure you know that DC has a few very distinct eras -- w/o getting into the Golden/Silver/Bronze Ages, there is:
*pre-crisis=anything that occurred prior to 1986.
*post-crisis=1986-2011.
*post-Flashpoint=DCnU=2011-current.In a fairly recent comic, the timeline of post-crisis Superman was fused with the timeline of DCnU Superman -- they are literally one being now, who was essentially unaffected by the events of Flashpoint(same goes with any who are intimately linked to Superman's own timeline, like his rogue gallery and such):
http://i.imgur.com/yDP7D13.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vCf9F4Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hDs0qd7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/40T5Qnq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s6NbrIh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qLdGHYe.jpgAnd as I mentioned above: Superman's pre-crisis showings never stopped being canon in post-crisis continuity. In fact, Mxy's hijinks with Superman as far back as the Golden and Silver Ages were recently recounted as well:
http://i.imgur.com/Mp0ze5t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YEvPJ94.jpg
...which further substantiates the fact that ALL of Superman's showings EVER are canon to him now.The only 'problem' you'll run into is that some people just don't want to choke down such a big pill, as it's got some asinine implications... But it's already an on panel fact, so fukem. ermmhappy
Was this mean for the things that happened like his relationship with Diana? His deaths etc...it all happenend and its all canon?
Originally posted by -Pr-Oh, there are still other versions of Superman from alternate universes in the multiverse -- Kal-L, Ultraman, KC Supes, etc. etc. The mainstream version of Superman is the only one whose timelines [before and after the events of Flashpoint] were explicitly amalgamated in such a way... so far as we know.
I think he was pointing more at how in IC, we were shown that Earth 2 Superman and Earth 1 Superman were two distinct beings, but somehow DC is now saying that E1 Superman somehow now could have the feats for E2, and so on.Or I'm wrong and you should ignore me.
Originally posted by Galan007
Oh, there are still other versions of Superman from alternate universes in the multiverse -- Kal-L, Ultraman, KC Supes, etc. etc. The mainstream version of Superman is the only one whose timelines [before and after the events of Flashpoint] were explicitly amalgamated in such a way... so far as we know.
it does raise the question though: How can rebirth Superman have the same feats as E2 Superman? Or have they clarified that?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Oh ok. Never beena fan of retcons. Just own the bad writing and shitty editorial decisions and move on
TBH, I consider Rebirth a step down, and it's part of why I've sworn off comics in general.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it does raise the question though: How can rebirth Superman have the same feats as E2 Superman? Or have they clarified that?TBH, I consider Rebirth a step down, and it's part of why I've sworn off comics in general.
seriously? Superman/Aquaman were some of Rebirths best series
Originally posted by Zack M
What references are you talking about? Mr. Oz backwards is Zor M.Anyway, this is what Geoff Johns teased about Ozymandias:
Johns said he loves seeing the smartest man from one world talking to the smartest man from another. He said the smartest man on the DC Earth is indeed Lex Luthor.
So...yeah. Jor-El.
