Originally posted by BentleyShe's a teenager [or at best early 20s], compared to a full grown 6'3'' male. And on top of that, he also has soaked up solar energy his whole life, while she has done so much lesser.
There is no literal reason for Kara not to be an effective Superman...
It's like comparing a Marine with an in shape 20something girl you see in the club.
Back to ownage and Blackrock.
Original was apparently the old man killed by the 2nd Blackrock, shown defeated by intense heat vision. I believe that was Superman #219 volume 2.
After this, there was a third Blackrock, a woman named Lucia, introduced in Superman #223.
She proved not only resistant to heat vision, but used it against Superman. Fortunately, Superman had someone around to help, and Blackrock was put to flight. However, there was a rematch the following ish, which went like this:
Originally posted by Philosophía
She's a teenager [or at best early 20s], compared to a full grown 6'3'' male. And on top of that, he also has soaked up solar energy his whole life, while she has done so much lesser.It's like comparing a Marine with an in shape 20something girl you see in the club.
I meant assuming we tweak her backstory to make sense on the role.
Originally posted by BentleyBut then, that wouldn't be her. Her main thing is that she arrives after Kal, and that she left after him. He's the one grown-up on Earth, not really remembering krypton, while she arrives there as an adult, having grown up on krypton.
I meant assuming we tweak her backstory to make sense on the role.
If she's there before Superman, that defeats both her story and his.
I mean, sure, they could make a kryptonian woman who arrived to Earth before Superman so she is older than him, but that wouldn't really be Supergirl -- it would be Grandma-El.
Originally posted by cdtmIt was assumed that she had solar panels in her ship, thus why she was already fully powered when she arrived - which would still make her < Superman given the time she was exposed to the sun. Later, it was retconned, and it was revealed that she was actually kryptonite poisoned while flying, thus her false memories and whatnot.
At least under Loeb, her backstory had her soaking up more solar energy, somehow. Forget the reasons given their seeming age.
Originally posted by Bentley
There is no literal reason for Kara not to be an effective Superman... But then she'd be one of the many Superman clones that already exist (too many to count in different franchises). That's not really expanding on the character in a positive way by itself.I agree there are a few interesting stories to tell in such a setting, but you'd need to a have a very focused writer not to run the plot into the ground. Superman has been reinvented so many times it's hard to just trust a writer to carry a character with his status.
I know that French is your first language and not English. If you meant to say "There is no literal reason for Kara not to be as effective as Superman", I largely agree, and thank you for admitting as much.
I must disagree with the general notion that being an effective fighter makes one a clone. And I'm going to use another ownage showing to do it, for the strategy Superman used to defeat Lucia Blackrock is largely the same strategy employed by Spider-Man versus the Lizard when HE was at a disadvantage:
Originally posted by emporerpants
Was it contradicted? I honestly never heard that it was. What are the statements that contradicted it? And what feats does she have that are superior to Superman to back it up? Over the years there have also been several direct comparisons in fights that back Supes over her, such as his better performance against H'el. Which was him at half strength apparently, due to recent revelations.
As mentioned before, Supergirl from the era of H'el is different from Loeb-era Supergirl. Continuing the ownage scam case study(ies) though, note that Loeb-era Superman, like Spider-Man before him, relies on getting his opponent to a location where their strength is reduced to an easily handle-able level.
For Spider-Man this was a refrigerator car, for Superman, the lead lined room of an old building which largely blocked ambient energy.
Loeb-era Supergirl, though?
Needs no such aids. HER level of strength is sufficient all by itself to convince Blackrock to find something else to do. Note that this showing chronologically follows the episode where Superman gave the speech empants referred to a page or few ago, and actually references the same
(Superman: "You really think you're in control ... after what happened with the Justice League?"
Supergirl: "That was Luthor, not me."😉
If memory serves, Loeb's story originally had Kara with solar lamps shining on her for 20 to 40 years. She'd be more like the marine if we're going by solar light exposure.
If we're going by more conventional metrics of exercise, Kara grew up on a high Gravity Krypton. And had to navigate an environment where things weighed many times what they do on Earth WITHOUT superpower to aid her.
So, again, she'd be more like the marine than Superman.
Since I'm thinking about it, though, while we're on the subject of marines versus fit ladies (although the young woman Melody Decena Wyatt shown in the following clip IS a marine or other armed services member) ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If memory serves, Loeb's story originally had Kara with solar lamps shining on her for 20 to 40 years. She'd be more like the marine if we're going by solar light exposure.If we're going by more conventional metrics of exercise, Kara grew up on a high Gravity Krypton. And had to navigate an environment where things weighed many times what they do on Earth WITHOUT superpower to aid her.
So, again, she'd be more like the marine than Superman.
Since I'm thinking about it, though, while we're on the subject of marines versus fit ladies (although the young woman Melody Decena Wyatt shown in the following clip IS a marine or other armed services member) ...
Couldn't watch the hold thing since the only one that was doing proper push ups was the guy on the right.
Both females push ups were atrocious. With the guy on the left slightly better than theirs.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If memory serves, Loeb's story originally had Kara with solar lamps shining on her for 20 to 40 years. She'd be more like the marine if we're going by solar light exposure.If we're going by more conventional metrics of exercise, Kara grew up on a high Gravity Krypton. And had to navigate an environment where things weighed many times what they do on Earth WITHOUT superpower to aid her.
So, again, she'd be more like the marine than Superman.
Since I'm thinking about it, though, while we're on the subject of marines versus fit ladies (although the young woman Melody Decena Wyatt shown in the following clip IS a marine or other armed services member) ...
I thought I remembered Kara being older. Just wasn't sure if that's because she went through a time warp, or looks younger then she really is.
If the former, Superman didn't start absorbing energy until his late teens, so Kara technically being older but time displaced shouldn't matter, even if she had sun lamps on her since being a baby into her teens.
Originally posted by cdtmNot true. He was lifting tractors as early as kindergarten [at best]:
Superman didn't start absorbing energy until his late teens
This is literally just before Superman/Batman started and Supergirl was introduced.
Also, Supergirl was literally kryptonite poisoned by her ship.
If anything, she should be weaker than even average female kryptonians.
I wonder how many people posting here actually read Superman comics.
Who can keep up with all the retcons.
All I know is Byrne era gave him a normal childhood up to middle school, maybe high school. Got to play sports like football without holding anything back, and really experience what it's like to be a regular kansas farm boy, because up to gaining his powers, he was one. It was a brilliant way at putting the "man" at the front of Super"man".
After energy Superman I more or less stopped following, and anything I know past that is from spotty hunting down of events or following internet news, but I don't really like some of these changes they've made over the years, making him more alien god then down to earth man..
Originally posted by cdtmByrne Superman's powers activated later, but he was still storing solar energy even when they weren't active, from the moment he was born. When they surfaced, it was an ON switch for his powers, not for his storing. That was made clear time and time again, including when Eradicator powered-up from his unconscious body:
Who can keep up with all the retcons.All I know is Byrne era gave him a normal childhood up to middle school, maybe high school. Got to play sports like football without holding anything back, and really experience what it's like to be a regular kansas farm boy, because up to gaining his powers, he was one. It was a brilliant way at putting the "man" at the front of Super"man".
After energy Superman I more or less stopped following, and anything I know past that is from spotty hunting down of events or following internet news, but I don't really like some of these changes they've made over the years, making him more alien god then down to earth man..
"Over thirty years [i.e. his age around then] of bio-converted solar energy".
Byrne was quickly forgotten anyway, since he was shown as running faster than the speed of sound at 10 years old even in the early 90s:
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/ftsat10years1.jpg?hotlinkfix=1508261354061
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/ftsat10years2.jpg?hotlinkfix=1508261354576
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