Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically. That basically means PIS, as plot is dictated by writers.One might argue 'why not the other way, you biased piece of shit? Why aren't Morrison and Waids Flash the PIS ones?'
Because of the Full Capacity rule. What is Flash's Full Capacity? See Morrison and Waid.
To use an analogy some people might understand, it's like the OP saying Hulk in threads has the ability to go WBH if needed.
Where the hell did we get WBH? Only Pak has written such a creature. But we don't ignore it - unless OP specifies no WBH. Then it's a whole new argument, to say CIP means Hulk is holding himself back with Gamma Maths (again, funnily, due to Pak) and therefore in character Hulk won't go WBH.
Flash doesn't have that issue. His poor showings aren't due to CIP, or CIS, but PIS. Which is inadmissible on forums.
So you'd like to invalidate like 90% of Flashes appearance? Why even call him the Flash. Make a separate character that you only use in threads. Do the same for all the others who are almost impossible to beat on paper like Silver Surfer, Thor w/Mjolnir etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you'd like to invalidate like 90% of Flashes appearance? Why even call him the Flash. Make a separate character that you only use in threads. Do the same for all the others who are almost impossible to beat on paper like Silver Surfer, Thor w/Mjolnir etc.
Are they the same?
What are the reasons for Thor's low showings? Vs Wolverine, for example. If Flash can outrun potato, and has these stupidly high feats, then logically, Deathstroke can't touch him.
Does Thor have the high showings that make his low showings PIS as well? Surfer?
Superspeed, along with Super Intelligence, are two of the most broken powersets to convey at these levels. You can hold your strength back, you can hold your energy blasts back, you can hold your lightning back.
You can't exactly hold your speed back. You either have it or you don't.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you'd like to invalidate like 90% of Flashes appearance? Why even call him the Flash. Make a separate character that you only use in threads. Do the same for all the others who are almost impossible to beat on paper like Silver Surfer, Thor w/Mjolnir etc.
Flashes do insane shit in their books almost every issue. In team settings they are horribly jobbed out most of the time but let me use only Avengers showing for Thor and defenders showing for Surfer and see how unbeatable they are.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85You can hold your speed back though. For an example of this, try taking small steps. Then try moving your legs faster while taking steps.
Are they the same?What are the reasons for Thor's low showings? Vs Wolverine, for example. If Flash can outrun potato, and has these stupidly high feats, then logically, Deathstroke can't touch him.
Does Thor have the high showings that make his low showings PIS as well? Surfer?
Superspeed, along with Super Intelligence, are two of the most broken powersets to convey at these levels. You can hold your strength back, you can hold your energy blasts back, you can hold your lightning back.
You can't exactly hold your speed back. You either have it or you don't.
Also your logic applies to everything anyway and basically begs to only account for the highest feats possible. You can't hold your durability back, should we only account for the cream of the crop? If Cyclops showed he could throw a car 100 feet, is every other showing of him not doing so holding back and pis? Where do you begin and end with it? How is it any different than strength, durability, skillz, powerset? If Iceman can freeze someone's brain once within a microsecond, why can't he do it all the time, every comic?
I know you're a big purveyor of speed (as evidenced by you having an issue with ownage being posted in this thread), but it's really no different than any other sorts of powers in comics. I'm not going to go into specifics of what counts and what doesn't, but let's not pretend speed is the one thing that is exempt from discussion. We all live in this world Darksaint, let's try to play fair and keep it clean.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol because you can never grasp the points that are being made. I am never sure if it is a stubbornness thing or an intelligence thing, or both.I'm trying to make the point that comics are inconsistent. Writers don't go 'oh, this character has these stats, I will stick to them faithfully'.
No. They will write a cool looking scene that has struggles and drama.
So Flash, despite having a high degree of speed and a low degree of durability in other scenes, does not have his stats set on stone in every scene by every writer. Because that is comics.
So in the scene you post, Flash has a low degree of speed, and a high degree of durability. It is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT.
Just because in Flash #164 or whatever, Morrison wrote Flash as being able to outrun Love or whatever silly feat he has, doesn't mean he has it in every single scene. Just because in YOUR comic Flash has the durability to survive being crushed by Titus, doesn't mean he suddenly has superhuman durability in every single scene.
But that is comic. This is a forum. Characters are at FULL CAPACITY. I am holding your hand, step by step.
Get it now?
You used Titus punching Superman as a strength ft while at the same time saying Flash have human level durability and Titus rocked Superman so how did Flash survive his grab. I then prove to you that Flash have decent durability which is the reason he survived the grab and now you are talking about inconsistency. WTF... at the end of the day, my scan was never discredited, Titus grabbed a speeding Flash. I don't care to read anymore of your comments because again, you're all over the place.
Darksaint is a power set debater, always has been and always will be. This isn't as bad as it sound, the thing that is terrible is, he debates off of the minority while ignoring the majority. Hard debating against a guy like this when he can post one scan to debate for a character winning while ignoring everything else.
Originally posted by carver9Are you implying that because he's an asian that he has narrow vision? Pretty racist Carv.
Darksaint is a power set debater, always has been and always will be. This isn't as bad as it sound, the thing that is terrible is, he debates off of the minority while ignoring the majority. Hard debating against a guy like this when he can post one scan to debate for a character winning while ignoring everything else.
Darkstain is alright, he's just a speedophile. It comes from the fast pace of having asian parents.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Are you implying that because he's an asian that he has narrow vision? Pretty racist Carv.Darkstain is alright, he's just a speedophile. It comes from the fast pace of having asian parents.
If I posted something like this, DS wouldn't talk to me for months.
Again, it's good to have you back, Bran 😂
Originally posted by CosmicCometI know, but I'm also Bran. Plus saying you just don't move out of the way as quick ruined it. Sometimes your reflexes are up to par but you just don't move in the correct way to avoid something. Maybe my head goes a little too far or a little too little and I run into something or move my self too far away to counter. Maybe I see the punch coming but my body doesn't respond in time.
He meant reflexes/perception speed.
The only thing you can't really hold back is durability unless you have some armor or power that amps it, or someone really goes in depth with brain fluid. Even intelligence you can play dumb or just not be acting at peak brain capacity. Sometimes you know something but you can't put your finger on it in time and you have a big brain queef. Same as reflexes, sometimes they're off a bit (in real life) for a variety of reasons. That's why a lot of things that involve reflexes require warm ups to hone what you currently can do. Micheal Tyson for example dodges better in a fight when he hones his reflexes in the hours leading up to one. However, that doesn't mean Tyson is always at the peak of his reflexes, even with warm ups.
Everything varies from time to time. Acting like speed can't or shouldn't isn't being genuine.
It's a little bit of a different story with translating that into comics and what you choose to accept and reject, but that's a tale for another day (especially with the vast difference in Flash's showings), another thread. I just don't think speed should stand apart from say strength in that regard. If top speed shows what someone should be operating at in a thread, then why doesn't Superman have infinite strength every thread? Because Flash has numbers?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI assume he has a decent sense of humor by arguing with Carv every thread. Maybe this one sets him off, who knows? Is he "Hehe asian, cute..." And secretly hates me, or does he take it as wildly offensive? I'm sure we'll find out, and that's a gamble I'm willing to take.
If I posted something like this, DS wouldn't talk to me for months.Again, it's good to have you back, Bran 😂
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I know, but I'm also Bran. Plus saying you just don't move out of the way as quick ruined it. Sometimes your reflexes are up to par but you just don't move in the correct way to avoid something. Maybe my head goes a little too far or a little too little and I run into something or move my self too far away to counter. Maybe I see the punch coming but my body doesn't respond in time.The only thing you can't really hold back is durability unless you have some armor or power that amps it, or someone really goes in depth with brain fluid. Even intelligence you can play dumb or just not be acting at peak brain capacity. Sometimes you know something but you can't put your finger on it in time and you have a big brain queef. Same as reflexes, sometimes they're off a bit (in real life) for a variety of reasons. That's why a lot of things that involve reflexes require warm ups to hone what you currently can do. Micheal Tyson for example dodges better in a fight when he hones his reflexes in the hours leading up to one. However, that doesn't mean Tyson is always at the peak of his reflexes, even with warm ups.
Everything varies from time to time. Acting like speed can't or shouldn't isn't being genuine.
It's a little bit of a different story with translating that into comics and what you choose to accept and reject, but that's a tale for another day (especially with the vast difference in Flash's showings), another thread. I just don't think speed should stand apart from say strength in that regard. If top speed shows what someone should be operating at in a thread, then why doesn't Superman have infinite strength every thread? Because Flash has numbers?
Warming up your nervous system or what have you only applies when you are reacting to things within your realm of speed.
You are hundreds of times faster than a slug. You require no warm up there to dodge a slug speed attack.
Yet a slug is closer to you in speed than even quicksilver is to Barry.