Originally posted by carver9
Where are you getting them being unable to stop the moon? Where was this stated in the scan?
The Sun Stone Crystal is machine/technology that gave the speed, and protection.
For unstated reason, they couldn't break them and thus they can't do anything against their technology which enables the moon to keep traveling at that speed
^ The Thanagarians slowed the moon down. That much is clear. From my reading, the Sunstone created a near-relativistic bubble around it. And while the original Kryptonian ship provided its propulsion, the Sunstone crystals also controlled the speed.
The way I had read it was that the bubble created a kind of tactile kinesis field around it (a power that allows the application of strength against an object and prevent it from crumbling). Like... if you actually tried to drag a moon away from Jupiter in real life, no mater how strong that ship was, that moon would fall apart and crumble through pure gravity from Jupiter. In this way, by creating a near-relativistic bubble around it, it nullified normal gravitational effects allowing the propulsion ship to drag it through space. And as such, it also likely interfered with Superman and his regiment's application of pure strength on it while the bubble existed.
Rage.Of.Olympus is right in one sense though, from my reading, the Thanagarians pretty much eroded the relativistic bubble and slowed it down substantially and it still did take all of New Krypton to arrest its movement and place it into orbit. However, you could argue it took all of New Krypton because the relativistic bubble was gone and a few Kryptonians trying to arrest its propulsion would have simply punched through the moon.
But in that case then... it appears that for whatever reason, Superman or the Kryptonians didn't have tactile kinesis. Which is kind of weird. Also, there's a very simple explanation for why they had masks on, so that they could talk to each other. Sound doesn't travel in space and if you had a recorder next to your mouth in space without any gas as a medium for sound to travel through, the recorder would be useless.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
The scan were posted.The Sun Stone Crystal is machine/technology that gave the speed, and protection.
For unstated reason, they couldn't break them and thus they can't do anything against their technology which enables the moon to keep traveling at that speed
But where is it stated that even powered by the crystals it was no way of stopping its forward momentum? I agree, the crystal gave the moon movement but I'm thinking thats all that it gave.
Originally posted by carver9
But where is it stated that even powered by the crystals it was no way of stopping its forward momentum? I agree, the crystal gave the moon movement but I'm thinking thats all that it gave.
But if your logic was true then they wouldnt even be able to slow it down. confused
Originally posted by xJLxKingTrue. And they eroded the near-relativistic bubble surrounding it. But if you assume that the near-relativistic bubble prevented Superman and the Kryptonians from applying their strength against it at the start, then you must also recognize that after it was eroded, it took all of New Krypton to position it precisely into orbit.
They only slowed it down, they never completely slowed it down
That means one of two things: (i) Superman and the regiment of Kryptonians were strong enough to slow it down and position it on their own, but had no tactile kinesis and therefore needed everyone to have thousands of points of contact to prevent it from crumbling; or (ii) Superman and the regiment of Kryptonians retained tactile kinesis but were not strong enough on their own to stop it and needed the other Kryptonians.
Originally posted by carver9I'm assuming that the near-relativistic bubble prevented their direct application of strength against it. Nothing was stated on-panel proving that though. It's a bit ambiguous, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
But where is it stated that even powered by the crystals it was no way of stopping its forward momentum? I agree, the crystal gave the moon movement but I'm thinking thats all that it gave.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Read what Onedumbgo said???
They used technology.
One dumb also stated that they slowed it down which wouold throw your logic completely out of the window. If the crystals gave the moon speed, uncontrollable speed, then nothing should be able to even slow it down.
Its 5 million ways to read that one feat but overrall the feat was just plain out terrible, no matter how you put it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
True. And they eroded the near-relativistic bubble surrounding it. But if you assume that the near-relativistic bubble prevented Superman and the Kryptonians from applying their strength against it at the start, then you must also recognize that after it was eroded, it took all of New Krypton to position it precisely into orbit.That means one of two things: (i) Superman and the regiment of Kryptonians were strong enough to slow it down and position it on their own, but had no tactile kinesis and therefore needed everyone to have thousands of points of contact to prevent it from crumbling; or (ii) Superman and the regiment of Kryptonians retained tactile kinesis but were not strong enough on their own to stop it and needed the other Kryptonians.
Originally posted by carver9
One dumb also stated that they slowed it down which wouold throw your logic completely out of the window. If the crystals gave the moon speed, uncontrollable speed, then nothing should be able to even slow it down.Its 5 million ways to read that one feat but overrall the feat was just plain out terrible, no matter how you put it.
We'll finish this argument tomorrow. Hopefully, in a different topic
Originally posted by carver9The Sun Crystals didn't provide any speed from my reading. It just controlled the speed that the original propulsion ship was providing.
One dumb also stated that they slowed it down which wouold throw your logic completely out of the window. If the crystals gave the moon speed, uncontrollable speed, then nothing should be able to even slow it down.Its 5 million ways to read that one feat but overrall the feat was just plain out terrible, no matter how you put it.
Originally posted by xJLxKingI didn't see that stated outright. It's what I assumed though. There is evidence against that assumption though. When it was suggested that they put another one around it, Superman stated, "No, if we put another bubble around it, it could very well break apart."
Didn't they explain that they need the bubble in order to make sure the moon doesn't break apart?
That doesn't exactly jive with our interpretation of the bubble's effects. And either way, it doesn't necessarily prove that the bubble originally prevented the direct application of strength against it. What is concrete though is this: (i) Superman is strong enough but doesn't have tactile kinesis, or (ii) Superman has tacticle kinesis and isn't strong enough.
A very very weird scene when I first read it. Also, for those that don't know, Callisto has pretty much the same weight as the Earth's Moon. Likely why they chose it.
Got a question, in this scan http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=50531_10-10-09_01_13_122_827lo.jpg one of the kryptonians say that they only have there strength for this moon feat. Why would she say that if she knew that her strength was pointless due to the crystals.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Sun Crystals didn't provide any speed from my reading. It just controlled the speed that the original propulsion ship was providing.
I didn't see that stated outright. It's what I assumed though. There is evidence against that assumption though. When it was suggested that they put another one around it, Superman stated, "No, if we put another bubble around it, it could very well break apart."That doesn't exactly jive with our interpretation of the bubble's effects. And either way, it doesn't necessarily prove that the bubble originally prevented the direct application of strength against it. What is concrete though is this: (i) Superman is strong enough but doesn't have tactile kinesis, or (ii) Superman has tacticle kinesis and isn't strong enough.
A very very weird scene when I first read it. Also, for those that don't know, Callisto has pretty much the same weight as the Earth's Moon. Likely why they chose it.
One dumb, you're knowledge is amazing (except with wolverine).
So do you think anything was added to the weight of that moon which would make it harder to stop it, etc....
^ Not sure. And you do bring up a good point about them talking about their brute strength, which indicates that the bubble could be affected by strength. And since Superman talks about it's g-force and speed, that's a tad incongruent with the idea of the bubble negating all extraneous force. But, at the same time, if you believe that the bubble didn't prevent their strength from being applied, and that Callisto was just going so fast that it surpassed their strength... you still don't really have a quantifiable measure of their strength. Maybe it's mass and speed was just so incredible that even pre-Crisis Superman would have a tough time. I dunno.
Still doesn't explain what happened after the bubble was eroded, no more tacticle kinesis? Like I say... it's a weird scene.
Originally posted by iceman24567Fine, here's some ownage:
Stop spamming the ownage thread noobs
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't know why they couldn't break it. There is no explanation
Like I said, it's been shown that Kryptonian artifacts, have their molecular structure reinforced by the Yellow Sun. That could be an explanation.
*Shrugs*
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Stated pg 11-12
What issue was this again? I forget.
Originally posted by carver9
OMG, dont you know that with that feat alone that completely takes him out of the high herald chain, hell that would put him as a low herald EASILY.I heard that they were weakening him from dc owns mouth but thats just terrible.
yes, one low showing means they're weakening superman. please.
How is Superman supposed to stop the moon without tearing the whole thing apart? Whether or not he can actually stop it, I have no opinion on, but that didn't seem like that's what the writer wanted to focus on. It displays him not being able to -safely- stop the moon without seriously harming it. Something completely different from not being able to stop it.
