Superman has used multiversal counter-frequency to defeat Darkseid in Final Crisis. He beat Dominus using T-vo. Both of these characters are more powerfull than Molecule Man, but I don't see these instances as demonstrative of Superman's current powerlevel as the latest issue of Dark Avengers is to Sentry. The former is pretty much Superman's 'godblast' (with the latter haven't even been mentioned in a few years) while Sentry is just genuinely powerful enough to overpower Molecule Man's molecular control with his own (which is a huge feat). That's just my view and I have absolutley no restraint in giving a character credit where its due.
Originally posted by bbrem123
what about sentry stalemating Galactus....would that be a feat now since he has the power to do it...doesnt seem like hyperbole any more
the potential power to do something doesn't mean you've done it. if he does it on panel, then i don't see a problem.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has used multiversal counter-frequency to defeat Darkseid in Final Crisis. He beat Dominus using T-vo. Both of these characters are more powerfull than Molecule Man, but I don't see these instances as demonstrative of Superman's current powerlevel as the latest issue of Dark Avengers is to Sentry. The former is pretty much Superman's 'godblast' (with the latter haven't even been mentioned in a few years) while Sentry is just genuinely powerful enough to overpower Molecule Man's molecular control with his own (which is a huge feat). That's just my view and I have absolutley no restraint in giving a character credit where its due.
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Sentry has never been defeated physically... except for the time he was one-shotted by Super Adaptoid twice. Or when Ms Marvel took crazy Sentry out of the fight. Or when Absorbing Man knocked him clean out of the building. Or when he exhausted his power against Hulk...
Etc.
Also, about the Skyfather level thing, and who Thor has defeated...
Thor is pretty much the Skyfather fighter. He defeated Horus, he's had tough fights with Odin/one with Zeus, he was fighting evenly with Seth, and was doing well against Surtur. Defeated Vishnu... all confirmed Skyfather beings. Then there's the Galactus instance. Then there's the Celestial instance where he was tossing around CelestialS (a random one is said to be so many levels against classic post retcon Beyonder), smashed Exitar's armor, and his even tougher domepiece. A comparison it isn't Carver, and I would have thought even you would have realized this since you're also a Thor nuthugger/in general Marvel nuthugger when it comes to anyone from there against Superman/DC.
There's also the Surfer instance of him 'being serious' and defeating a multiversal threat (also said to take Genis down without a thought). Defeating Tenebrous and Aegis, and the old Uni-Lord thing. Oh, and there's the time he blew up the fukken Infinity Gauntlet assembled on Rune's hand.
While Sentry's was pretty impressive I must say, when you start spouting shit like him being way above Skyfather level based on that feat and say no other HH even comes close to it when they straight out outclass it is plain rediculous.
Btw, both Surfer and Thor have defeated Terrax just as easily as Sentry.
Surfer took his axe and carried his ass away to another planet like a child, and Thor hit him once and all we see is a splash of blood.
It's good that you like the character, but to act like it's impossible for another character to do is annoying to say the least.
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's not actually true.i've actually read a higher percentage of thor and norrin's appearances than i have superman's (and yes, im only talking about post crisis).
if we're going by your definition of what constitutes a skyfather:
Superman has beaten/matched Despero, Darkseid and Mongul.
Thor has beaten/matched Bor and Surfer.
Surfer has beaten/matched Hulk and Loki.
Now, i might not strictly believe those guys are skyfathers, but going by what seems to be your classification, that's what i've come up with...
the difference is, though, that superman never puts the outcome of a fight in jeopardy by not using his hv or another power.
Despero 😕 , a skyfather, no. Sharks has damaged despero. Despero sometimes have high showings but the majority, his durability is crap.Superman got STOMPLED fighting a despero that had sky father level durability along with the rest of the jla/jsa.
Darkseid; not a good example; Black mary blocked his omegas and gave him a fight along with batman who made him bleed. He lost his sky father title a long time ago. If anything, hes around thanos level and Thanos isnt a skyfather.
Mongul, I'm not even going to comment on this.
Surfer beating Hulk, when did hulk become a skyfather? Loki, when did he become a skyfather?
Bor, yes, I agree with this but thor had the odin force so it was well withiin his power to do this.
The collective had all of the powers of every mutant durinig MDay. The collective defeated BINARY in one panel along with all of earth heros.
Madelyn, Doctor Strange has had problems with her and I think (dont know for a fact) that he has been defeated by her.
Genis, hes a universal threat, hes far above a sky father level being and he had to bfr Sentry and it was stated that both was holding back.
Me and your definition of Sky fathers and above is kind of different.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has used multiversal counter-frequency to defeat Darkseid in Final Crisis. He beat Dominus using T-vo. Both of these characters are more powerfull than Molecule Man, but I don't see these instances as demonstrative of Superman's current powerlevel as the latest issue of Dark Avengers is to Sentry. The former is pretty much Superman's 'godblast' (with the latter haven't even been mentioned in a few years) while Sentry is just genuinely powerful enough to overpower Molecule Man's molecular control with his own (which is a huge feat). That's just my view and I have absolutley no restraint in giving a character credit where its due.
Darkseid being more powerful than MM, wtf?
So Superman beat Dominus with heat vision, super strength and ice breath.
Dominus isnt more powerful than Molecule man either.
Molecule man can think everyone that you just named out of existence and that still does not change the fact that sentry can now do what molecule man can do, its one of his abilities now along with heat vision, super strength, super speed, bringing back life, teleporting, energy blasts from the hand, telepath, telekinesis, etc.....
Originally posted by Blanket
Sentry has never been defeated physically... except for the time he was one-shotted by Super Adaptoid twice. Or when Ms Marvel took crazy Sentry out of the fight. Or when Absorbing Man knocked him clean out of the building. Or when he exhausted his power against Hulk...
Etc.Also, about the Skyfather level thing, and who Thor has defeated...
Thor is pretty much the Skyfather fighter. He defeated Horus, he's had tough fights with Odin/one with Zeus, he was fighting evenly with Seth, and was doing well against Surtur. Defeated Vishnu... all confirmed Skyfather beings. Then there's the Galactus instance. Then there's the Celestial instance where he was tossing around CelestialS (a random one is said to be so many levels against classic post retcon Beyonder), smashed Exitar's armor, and his even tougher domepiece. A comparison it isn't Carver, and I would have thought even you would have realized this since you're also a Thor nuthugger/in general Marvel nuthugger when it comes to anyone from there against Superman/DC.There's also the Surfer instance of him 'being serious' and defeating a multiversal threat (also said to take Genis down without a thought). Defeating Tenebrous and Aegis, and the old Uni-Lord thing. Oh, and there's the time he blew up the fukken Infinity Gauntlet assembled on Rune's hand.
While Sentry's was pretty impressive I must say, when you start spouting shit like him being way above Skyfather level based on that feat and say no other HH even comes close to it when they straight out outclass it is plain rediculous.
I agree with this, thor does have some amazing showings, everything else, I dont agree with. Surfer didnt beat tenebrous and aegis under his own power, he used the crunch which is still a good feat since he controlled it.
Originally posted by Blanket
Btw, both Surfer and Thor have defeated Terrax just as easily as Sentry.
Surfer took his axe and carried his ass away to another planet like a child, and Thor hit him once and all we see is a splash of blood.
It's good that you like the character, but to act like it's impossible for another character to do is annoying to say the least.
Post both of these fights. I want to see when terrax first appeared and the end of the fight. I know about these fights and it didnt end nearly as easily as you are saying. I'll be waiting.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the collective's best showing was beating alpha flight, yes? you don't need to be skyfather to pull that off.
Actually you would be suprized seeing as they rountinely fought skyfathers. Anyways as noted they were taken by suprize when they wern't expecting a fight, and the Sentry vs. Collective really didn't show anything.
Regardless it was Llan that apparently was responsible for Alpha Flight's death.
Originally posted by carver9You don't agree with anything else. Thanks for shutting my ass down.
I agree with this, thor does have some amazing showings, everything else, I dont agree with. Surfer didnt beat tenebrous and aegis under his own power, he used the crunch which is still a good feat since he controlled it.
Originally posted by carver9Since I can't post links, I'll actually look for the scans and tell you the page since I'm always in the mood for a carver version.
Post both of these fights. I want to see when terrax first appeared and the end of the fight. I know about these fights and it didnt end nearly as easily as you are saying. I'll be waiting.
Originally posted by Blanket
You don't agree with anything else. Thanks for shutting my ass down.
Also, Tenebrous and Aegis wasn't my only example (or was it? sometimes my comprehension is terrible. you tell me), and manipulating the Crunch is under his own power, although it be a factor in their defeat... but then you just have Surfer manipulating the energy that created the universe... which actually sounds better broken down like that.
Like I said, its still a good feat that he controlled the crunch and its the surfer, I honestly think he can contol ALL energy BUT he didnt defeat them under his own power.
Just look at his fight when he fought aegis solo; he got crushed.
Originally posted by bbrem123
what about sentry stalemating Galactus....would that be a feat now since he has the power to do it...doesnt seem like hyperbole any more
Or what about them saying that he is near omnipotent.
