Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLooking at it again, I see what you're talking about. Arguable. Bottom-line is, at the beginning WBH was shaking the continent. Again. With a single step. But more below.
That's what I understood from reading this scene:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnd he immediately calmed down?
The last time we saw World Breaker -Skaar #12- was when he remembered Caeira -which caused the Green Scar to emerge- and then went feral, declaring he was the World Breaker.http://www.imagebam.com/image/0bb9d292663622
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHere's the problem. In World War Hulk itself, Ironman napalmed WWH and reminded him vividly of Caiera. And he didn't go Worldbreaker mode then.
Do you know why Miek's actions were so painful? What his betrayal caused?Caeira's death has been the main driving force behind Green Scar as far as I can tell. Hence the last scenes -Hulk being with Caeira- in World War Hulk.
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In my opinion, that should have been the end of the Green Scar persona. F*ck the fanboys.
True, this time he reached the World Breaker levels due to the large influx of energy but I don't see how that takes away from his feelings of Caeira.
I'm not arguing she's the catalyst for the process -dumping large amounts of energy into Banner etc. seems to work as well- but if there's one way to get Green Scar angry, it's tugging on his feelings with Caeira. Which is why Skaar brought her up as far as I can tell. He knows he'd get riled up by mentioning her.
Hulk wasn't Worldbreaker mode throughout the fight. Just at the beginning with that step. We know what Worldbreak mode did... twice already on-panel with a single step.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinLike it killed everyone when he was doing that in the climax to World War Hulk? Not really.
Going by that train of thought, I would think that if he was stomping down on the ground with enough force to break the continent in two, that impact would kill everything around him as well as level the city if not a much larger radius.
^ No. His footstep just caused all the damage because the direction of the force was going downward.
If it was the gamma radiation radiating down into the ground that was causing that catastrophic damage, the gamma radiating up and around his body would have crushed everyone next to him, particularly Tony, who was unprotected and should have been mush as he dashed past him. He wasn't mush. So it wasn't the waves of gamma.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ No. His footstep just caused all the damage because the direction of the force was going downward.If it was the gamma radiation radiating down into the ground that was causing that catastrophic damage, the gamma radiating up and around his body would have crushed everyone next to him, particularly Tony, who was unprotected and should have been mush as he dashed past him.
Are you serious? His footstep, regardless of being a downward force, would cause a shock wave upon hitting the ground. And enough force to break apart a continental plate would produce a unquantifiable wave of destruction.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Are you serious? His footstep, regardless of being a downward force, would cause a shock wave upon hitting the ground. And enough force to break apart a continental plate would produce a unquantifiable wave of destruction.
You keep ignoring Hulk physics when doing this kind of post, there is no future on that.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinWas the East Coast not about to fall apart into pieces? That unquantifiable wave of destruction was there in the ground. Sorry if your preconception of how comic book shockwaves work prevents you from seeing that. Are you seriously trying to argue that two more footsteps wouldn't have sent the East Coast into the ocean? Jebus.
Are you serious? His footstep, regardless of being a downward force, would cause a shock wave upon hitting the ground. And enough force to break apart a continental plate would produce a unquantifiable wave of destruction.
Lulz.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Looking at it again, I see what you're talking about. Arguable. Bottom-line is, at the beginning WBH was shaking the continent. Again. With a single step. But more below.
I think it's pretty clear, but whatever. Different interpretations and all.
World Breaker at the very least took 4 steps since he returned -more than likely a few more during his walk from the crash site to Skaar but I'm only counting the on panel shit- before Skaar even starts grabbing the ground. Guess what? The continent was still completely intact.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And he immediately calmed down?
Nah, Banner suppressed the personality.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Here's the problem. In World War Hulk itself, Ironman napalmed WWH and reminded him vividly of Caiera. And he didn't go Worldbreaker mode then.
I know about that fight scene. I was actually going to post it. This was pre World Breaker mode, before he had reached that level - which is why I made the distinction a few posts ago (At least I think) The revelation that Miek caused Caiera's death was simply the final nail in the coffin. It's what pushed him to this new level.
Caiera was always the driving force behind Green Scar. Which is why he was so damn angry.
I honestly don't think this scene work's against my stance:
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That stance being that memories of Caiera can push a post World War Hulk Green Scar to higher levels approaching or reaching those of World Breaker. Which would make sense with the Green Scar scene we've seen since. Skaar didn't bring up Caiera because he thought it would annoy the Hulk. He brought it up because he knew it would enrage him. He knows that Caiera has a big effect on him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hulk wasn't Worldbreaker mode throughout the fight. Just at the beginning with that step. We know what Worldbreak mode did... twice already on-panel with a single step.
He was definitely World Breaker mode up until the punch from Skaar. I believe he became or at the very least was close to that level when Caiera was brought up.
More than a single step actually.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Was the East Coast not about to fall apart into pieces? That unquantifiable wave of destruction was there in the ground. Sorry if your preconception of how comic book shockwaves work prevents you from seeing that. Are you seriously trying to argue that two more footsteps wouldn't have sent the East Coast into the ocean? Jebus.
Yet you try to create some kind of realism when the idea of gamma radiation pouring from a 10' green man breaking said tectonic plates, saying "the gamma radiating up and around his body would have crushed everyone next to him". The gamma radiation angle may be plucked from comic book psychics, but it seems like a better explanation than him, "stepping" and breaking loose the plates.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf you're only counting the on-panel shit: WBH stood up and took one step. It was the one accompanied by the big sound effect. Unless Skaar suddenly became handicapped and couldn't move closer.
I think it's pretty clear, but whatever.World Breaker at the very least took 4 steps since he returned -more than likely a few more during his walk from the crash site to Skaar but I'm only counting the on panel shit- before Skaar even starts grabbing the ground. Guess what? The continent was still completely intact.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo kidding. So he can snap out of WBH mode just like that, huh? Like he could, and did, before engaging Skaar, huh?
Nah, Banner suppressed the personality.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLike he went Worldbreaker when he engaged Ironman again in Mighty Avengers after remembering Caiera in that scene? Not really. Stop assuming he's Worldbreaker the entire time. You already saw Banner suppress WBH mode.
I know about that fight scene. I was actually going to post it. This was pre World Breaker mode, before he had reached that level - which is why I made the distinction a few posts ago (At least I think) The revelation that Miek caused Caiera's death was simply the final nail in the coffin. It's what pushed him to this new level.Caiera was always the driving force behind Green Scar. Which is why he was so strong.
I honestly don't think this scene work's against my stance:
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http://www.imagebam.com/image/1a0f8892666645That stance being that memories of Caiera can push a post World War Hulk to higher levels approaching or reaching those of World Breaker.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNice projection. And by nice, I mean poor. And by poor, I mean shitty.
He was definitely World Breaker mode up until the punch from Skaar. I believe he became or at the very least was close to that level when Caiera was brought up.More than a single step actually.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinNo. That's what you and Gecko4lif want to argue was happening. That it wasn't WBH's footstep (and therefore, not a strength feat), but the gamma radiation pouring out that was wrecking the continental coastline. It obviously wasn't the gamma radiation because it wasn't crushing naked Tony Stark into jam. Instead, let's label it like it was explained in the damn comic... "two more footsteps like that and the Eastern seaboard is gone."
Yet you try to create some kind of realism when the idea of gamma radiation pouring from a 10' green man breaking said tectonic plates, saying "the gamma radiating up and around his body would have crushed everyone next to him". The gamma radiation angle may be plucked from comic book psychics, but it seems like a better explanation than him, "stepping" and breaking loose the plates.
Originally posted by Gecko4lifRight. And I should be ignoring that the continent shook each time WBH took a step. In two separate instances. Fine reading there.
That is exactly the wrong answer. Glad your consistent in being incorrect.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. That's what you and Gecko4lif want to argue was happening. That it wasn't WBH's footstep, but the gamma radiation pouring out that was wrecking the continental coastline. It obviously wasn't the continental coastline because it was crushing naked Tony Stark into jam.
That's the point I'm trying to make. The radiation pouring out of a man like that is plucked right out of science fiction. They could make it do almost anything they wanted. While the force of his foot slamming into the ground could/should easily create a shock wave and level/kill everything in sight. But it didn't. So why not make all the gamma energy being released from his foot to the ground be what caused the plates to break? Or even a little bit of both?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you're only counting the on-panel shit: WBH stood up and took one step. It was the one accompanied by the big sound effect. Unless Skaar suddenly became handicapped and couldn't move closer.
I guess you can count it as only one step that shook the ground and damaged Manhattan. I'll guess I'll toss the statement made by that official as hyperbole I guess. I was counting the only ones on panel as I actually like the Green Scar. That would favor him. Yea, it's not as if it seemed Green Scar was the one moving closer or anything.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No kidding. So he can snap out of WBH mode just like that, huh?
He didn't just snap out of it. Banner forcefully suppressed the personality. He didn't just stop becoming World Breaker. He stopped being the Hulk at all and was reduced to being Banner for a second.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Like he could, and did, before engaging Skaar, huh? Like he went Worldbreaker when he engaged Ironman again in Mighty Avengers after remembering Caiera again? Not really. Stop assuming he's Worldbreaker the entire time. You already saw Banner suppress WBH mode.
mhmm
Issue number? Was it under Pak? Did he actually fully comprehend what the memories were? Was it at least the Green Scar persona? That's what would really disprove my stance. Simply having images or flashbacks of Caiera don't mean much. Hulk doesnt have the Green Scar's feelings for Caiera -at least he doesn't seem to understand them- and in turn doesn't have the push they gave him.
When did I assume he was World Breaker all the time? I clearly stated my opinion on that issue. He was the World Breaker. Calmed down. And started approaching -or reached- those levels once he got enraged and pushed by his emotions of Caiera.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nice projection. And by nice, I mean poor. And by poor, I mean shitty.
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But yea, I'm done for this for today. I'm too sleepy to continue.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Because the gamma radiation that radiated from his body didn't even push naked Tony Stark away when he literally dashed past him? What is your problem with the actual footstep causing all the damage? As far as I recall, a crapload of collateral surface damage was, in fact, caused.
As he stomped he could have directed it more into the plates ground which it could have act differently with.
The problem with a footstep causing damage like that sounds retarded, even for a comic book. I know this is suspension of disbelief, but that was extremely far fetched. When I first read the issue, before reading reviews or anything else, I thought he was stomping his foot as hard as he could on the ground. And I thought, "wow". But when people were like, "mere footsteps..." I was thinking they couldn't be serious.
When I read Gecko4lif's explanation of what could have happened, I thought it made a little more sense. I would think the foot hitting the ground would cause far more untold damage than the release of radiation into the ground.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympustwo imo; 1) first one was off-panel (buildings were shown ablaze) but it had the same onomatopoeia overlayed on it as the... 2) second one that was on panel that fugged shit up
I guess you can count it as only one step that shook the ground and damaged Manhattan.
so 4 steps and the eastern seaboard looks like puzzle pieces strone about. the recent fight in san fran was obviously effecting the san andreas fault lines but skaar absorbed some of it
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100,000,000,000,000 ton strength and skaar still got his head palmed like shaq does a basketball ...by a holding back hulk biscuits