Character Ownage

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess you can count it as only one step that shook the ground and damaged Manhattan. I'll guess I'll toss the statement made by that official as hyperbole I guess. I was counting the only ones on panel as I actually like the Green Scar. That would favor him. Yea, it's not as if it seemed Green Scar was the one moving closer or anything.

He didn't just snap out of it. Banner forcefully suppressed the personality. He didn't just stop becoming World Breaker. He stopped being the Hulk at all and was reduced to being Banner for a second.

Issue number? Was it under Pak? Did he actually fully comprehend what the memories were? Was it at least the Green Scar persona? That's what would really disprove my stance. Simply having images or flashbacks of Caiera don't mean much. Hulk doesnt have the Green Scar's feelings for Caiera -at least he doesn't seem to understand them- and in turn doesn't have the push they gave him.

When did I assume he was World Breaker all the time? I clearly stated my opinion on that issue. He was the World Breaker. Calmed down. And started approaching -or reached- those levels once he got enraged and pushed by his emotions of Caiera.

But yea, I'm done for this for today. I'm too sleepy to continue.

Already we agree Banner can stop WBH mode through sheer force of will... and the memory of Caiera didn't even trigger WBH the first time around... and that Banner ended up reverting to WBH this time around because of the Cathexis Ray's energies.

And that's pretty much all there is to this.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
As he stomped he could have directed it more into the plates ground which it could have act differently with.

The problem with a footstep causing damage like that sounds retarded, even for a comic book. I know this is suspension of disbelief, but that was extremely far fetched. When I first read the issue, before reading reviews or anything else, I thought he was stomping his foot as hard as he could on the ground. And I thought, "wow". But when people were like, "mere footsteps..." I was thinking they couldn't be serious.

When I read Gecko4lif's explanation of what could have happened, I thought it made a little more sense. I would think the foot hitting the ground would cause far more untold damage than the release of radiation into the ground.

How are you even trying to act like the feat itself was absurd? The damage happened on-panel. You don't want to accept it, don't read comic books.

You would think the foot hitting the ground would cause far more untold damage... and yet I don't even know if you're done arguing about this or just arguing for the sake of arguing. The gamma waves radiating from his body didn't even prevent naked Tony Stark from running right next to him. It was the footstep that caused the continental damage. It's why... right after the footstep, the sh1t hit the fan. It's why... the President's own advisors started talking about subsequent "footsteps," not "stomps," not "gamma waves," but "footsteps."

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And that's pretty much all there is to this. He didn't even stomp. He took a step. Why would he be stomping about and asking everyone to kill him as he's struggling to hold back? Nervous twitch in his right foot?

How are you even trying to act like the feat itself was absurd? The damage happened on-panel. You don't want to accept it, don't read comic books.

You would think the foot hitting the ground would cause far more untold damage... and yet I don't even know if you're done arguing about this or just arguing for the sake of arguing. The gamma waves radiating from his body didn't even prevent naked Tony Stark from running right next to him. It was the footstep. It's why... right after the footstep, the sh1t hit the fan. It's why... the President's own advisors started talking about subsequent "footsteps," not "stomps," not "gamma waves," but "footsteps."

I just can't imagine Hulk taking baby steps when pissed to all hell and back.

Way to take what I posted and make it seem like I think it is heresy or something. He wasn't stomping on the ground like a little kid throwing a tantrum, but it looks like he is putting his foot down, hitting the ground with a ton of force, not just taking a simple step forward.

I don't understand why you can't seem to grasp what I am saying here. The reason why Stark and no one else died there is because it is a COMIC BOOK. Gamma radiation was what created the Hulk, but no one there at the time had ill effects. So the gamma radiating could have done anything. It didn't have to have a shock wave effect, it could have reacted with the earth, or the liquid magma the plates sit on.

It's like you have ADD or something and are stuck in the comic book fantasy. You can't grasp why people think differently or ask questions. I may be thinking too realistically, I know it's a comic, but it would not be far fetched for a comic to make a object hitting the ground hard enough to break loose the eastern seaboard also create a hole and wave of impact as well. I mean, look at what happens when things slam into the ground from space, in the real world and comic world. They create a crater as well as a wave of air from the impact.

^ footsteps were explicitly stated to cause the damage, and it just happened again in hulk 611 (skaar soaked it up)

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I just can't imagine Hulk taking baby steps when pissed to all hell and back.

Way to take what I posted and make it seem like I think it is heresy or something. He wasn't stomping on the ground like a little kid throwing a tantrum, but it looks like he is putting his foot down, hitting the ground with a ton of force, not just taking a simple step forward.

I don't understand why you can't seem to grasp what I am saying here. The reason why Stark and no one else died there is because it is a COMIC BOOK. Gamma radiation was what created the Hulk, but no one there at the time had ill effects. So the gamma radiating could have done anything. It didn't have to have a shock wave effect, it could have reacted with the earth, or the liquid magma the plates sit on.

It's like you have ADD or something and are stuck in the comic book fantasy. You can't grasp why people think differently or ask questions. I may be thinking too realistically, I know it's a comic, but it would not be far fetched for a comic to make a object hitting the ground hard enough to break loose the eastern seaboard also create a hole and wave of impact as well. I mean, look at what happens when things slam into the ground from space, in the real world and comic world. They create a crater as well as a wave of air from the impact.

You might not like it, but the writer was explicit on what he depicted was the cause of the damage that was done. Unless a future retcon changes that fact, everything you're saying is baseless heresay.

If you don't like it, don't read comics. :-/

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You might not like it, but the writer was explicit on what he depicted was the cause of the damage that was done. Unless a future retcon changes that fact, everything you're saying is baseless heresay.

If you don't like it, don't read comics. :-/

I am basically saying why not make it so that the gamma energy is the main reason. I bought and read the event, I see that the characters have said it was Hulk putting his foot down. I disagree that it was a mere foot step. I thought he was slamming his foot down in anger. But to each his own. I haven't bought many Hulk comics or read many after that. I loved Planet Hulk. But anyone can critique anything.

So why not make all the gamma energy being released from his foot to the ground be what caused the plates to break? Or even a little bit of both?

It just doesn't make much sense for a powerful blow to the earths surface didn't create more surface damage than it did.

Things change all the time in Hulk comics. It was retconned that the Satellite that took him down was special made by Modock. Maybe the gamma radiation emmitting from Hulk did more than the characters in the comic thought? So any thing is possible. I was just pointing out why I thought it was rediculous. Almost everyone on here does that. Look at the people hating on Wolverine for breaking up the Frank/Daken fight. And then saying that Logan shouldn't have been KO'd by Frank like he was.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I am basically saying why not make it so that the gamma energy is the main reason. I bought and read the event, I see that the characters have said it was Hulk putting his foot down. I disagree that it was a mere foot step. I thought he was slamming his foot down in anger. But to each his own. I haven't bought many Hulk comics or read many after that. I loved Planet Hulk. But anyone can critique anything.

Lots of things don't make scientific sense in comics. IT'S COMICS! It's a story told by a person. :-/

You have to PROVE your statements in order for them to have any credibility, otherwise, it's all hearsay.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Lots of things don't make scientific sense in comics. IT'S COMICS! It's a story told by a person. :-/

You have to PROVE your statements in order for them to have any credibility, otherwise, it's all hearsay.

I'm not saying that is what happened. All I'm saying is that Gecko4lif idea makes more sense.

My argument started when ODG thought gamma radiation pouring from Hulk's body would cause more damage/death than a powerful object hitting the ground resulting in a shock wave as well as tremors. That powerful footstep shouldn't just transfer just into the ground. I believe it should have caused a wave taking everything out.

Again, I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED! Just what I think should have happened. A thought.

Here is my original post:

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin

[QUOTE=12911289]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Get a clue. Next time, try reading the comic. Or the two pages where this "gamma-projection-which-alone-is-responsible-for-continental-damage" wasn't even hurting the people standing next to him. Nice try trying to disassociate WBH's strength feat from him. Crappy maneuver trying to criticize the use of an English word to deflect.

Going by that train of thought, I would think that if he was stomping down on the ground with enough force to break the continent in two, that impact would kill everything around him as well as level the city if not a much larger radius. [/B][/QUOTE]

Just to help clarify more, that quote from ODG is a reply to Gecko4Lif.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6PvIJPgUac

Originally posted by vansonbee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6PvIJPgUac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZecOeuprI&feature=related

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So who's generated/manipulated Anti-Matter? So far the longest list I've seen is this: Thor, Green Lantern, Mantis, Firestorm, the Anti-Monitor and Black Bolt, Qwardians.

Apparently they can all beat Thanos handily. Haha.

Blue Marvel...owns

no matter what people want to believe Hulk was explicitly shown to be unmatched in the physical department

The much wanked worldbreaker needed Rulkette`s help against Skaar. 😆

yeah but he would own Thor...😉

Originally posted by Warlord
yeah but he would own Thor...😉

Nah.. Thor would take a tip from Skaar and pwn by kicking sand in Hulkie boy`s face. Thor is a beast at the beach.

ODG's double standards throughout the last pages are hilarious.

ODG's argument for why the gamma energy wasn't responsible for the eastern seaboard being destroyed: Yeah well, they ones right besides him weren't hurt!

Poster #1: That same argument could be applied to his footsteps. If they produced that much damage, his surroundings (on which there are people on) would be hit by an immense wave of destruction.

ODG: Don't come at me with logic when it comes to comicbook destruction, the force was directed downwards! Yeah, that's it!

crylaugh

Anyway, the issues was enjoyable.

^ Yeah. The footstep was directed downwards. What is so hard to understand about this? The characters within the comic book directly attribute the damage caused to the Eastern seaboard directly to the footstep. What is so hard to understand about this? The catastrophic damage caused to New York's ground directly follows the footstep and this whole wave of destruction ripples throughout the ground for miles and miles. What is so hard to understand about this?

I'm looking at the plain presentation of the comic. I'm not looking for an excuse to detach feats of a comic book character because of butt-hurt. Get over yourself.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No it wasn't the Green Scar personality in Mighty Avengers. What does that even matter when the Green Scar personality went berserk the first time around against Ironman and didn't even go Worldbreaker mode AT ALL? Enough with the false distinctions.

Already we agree Banner can stop WBH mode through sheer force of will... and the memory of Caiera didn't even trigger WBH the first time around... and that Banner ended up reverting to WBH this time around because of the Cathexis Ray's energies.

And that's pretty much all there is to this.

It does matter. The Savage Hulk doesn't have the emotional ties to Caiera that the Green Scar has. His just too stupid. If he doesn't realize why his upset etc. I don't think he'd even reach the Green Scar levels. I'm pretty sure we saw the Savage Hulk dreaming about Caiera and co. at one point and he didn't realize what the hell was up outside of being upset IRCC. It wasn't 100% clear as it wasn't a worded story.

I thought I already explained that and why I made a distinction between pre and post WWH Green Scar.

And I don't see how that matters here. Did we see Banner actively suppress the World Breaker mode? And all the evidence that I've seen leads me to believe that when enraged, Green Scar can't control himself when he reaches World Breaker mode. He'd have to calm down at the very least to reduce his power level like we saw.

Banner becoming World Breaker Hulk after a large amount of energy recharged the gamma energy in his cells -turning him into the Hulk- isn't something that goes against my stance. I told you before. I'm not arguing Caiera is the sole catalyst.

Alright. I think I'll stop here. This is obviously down to personal interpretation. Still think it was clearly World Breaker Hulk up until they landed in that mountain. I could see why some would think -or at least pretend- that he wasn't World Breaker Hulk after that, but I'd have to have Pak's opinion on it to change my mind.

Regarding the issue, I liked it for the most part. Definitely a lot better than any other Hulk related crap that's come out recently. I'm still a bit confused why Skaar stopped fighting so immediately. I thought Pak went out of his way to point out that Skaar was a monster. But whatever. I liked the big battle for the most part. A bit funny that Betty had to save Hulk's ass though.

I like that Green Scar is finally back but honestly, I would have preferred if the personality died at the end of WWH #5.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It does matter. The Savage Hulk doesn't have the emotional ties to Caiera that the Green Scar has. His just too stupid. If he doesn't realize why his upset etc. I don't think he'd even reach the Green Scar levels. I'm pretty sure we saw the Savage Hulk dreaming about Caiera and co. at one point and he didn't realize what the hell was up outside of being upset. It wasn't 100% clear as it wasn't a worded story.

I thought I already explained that and why I made a distinction between pre and post WWH Green Scar.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And I don't see how that matters here. Did we see Banner actively suppress the World Breaker mode? And all the evidence that I've seen leads me to believe that when enraged, Green Scar can't control himself when he reaches World Breaker mode. He'd have to calm down at the very least to reduce his power level like we saw.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Banner becoming World Breaker Hulk after a large amount of energy recharged the gamma energy in his cells -turning him into the Hulk- isn't something that goes against my stance. I told you before. I'm not arguing Caiera is the sole catalyst.

Alright. I'll stop here. Still think it was clearly World Breaker Hulk up until they landed in that mountain. I could see why some would think -or at least pretend- that he wasn't World Breaker Hulk after that, but I'd have to have Pak's opinion on it to change my mind.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It doesn't matter... even though it was stupid Savage Hulk that remembered Caiera and in the space of panels went Worldbreaker in Skaar. And that didn't happen in Mighty Avengers. And again, his Green Scar personality was the one running around in the actual World War Hulk storyline and his most vivid recollection of Caiera didn't trigger anything close to Worldbreaker levels. These distinctions you're drawing up are dubious at best.

In the Skaar issue, seeing Skaar there, brought back the Green Scar persona. Which then went World Breaker because as Banner pointed out, this is the persona that's still insane with rage over his loss of Caiera. A vague single memory registering in the cloudy mind of a dumb Savage Hulk isn't exactly the same thing. At least in my mind. Yea, you obviously haven't been understanding what I've been saying.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Green Scar can't control himself when he reaches Worldbreaker mode... except when he did on-panel... twice already.

When?

I've seen Green Scar go World Breaker only twice besides this incident. During WWH, he obviously couldn't control or suppress his power. In the Skaar issue, he remembered Caiera and immediately went World Breaker. It was Banner who suppressed the personality.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The pretending isn't on our part. We've seen exactly when Worldbreaker busts out. It's not ambiguous. Coming up with tangential rationale to justify an argument that it's possible he was Worldbreaker the entire time doesn't vitiate the plain presentation of the comic(s).

O rly? And exactly what does World Breaker bust out? Since you clearly have such a clear grasp on what his capable off.

I don't think he was at World Breaker levels during the entire issue.