Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Darwin evolves.He didn't take Hela's power. He evolved into a Death God to withstand her touch. He then removed her cloak which is her Achilles heel.
Still think the entire thing was stupid. Mutant potential!
And I don't think being a Death God by default should allow you to see her greatest weakness or she would have been overrun by now.
Originally posted by Mindset
So Gambit kicked Daken's ass and it's now official he can charge organic material.I like it.
People seem to love to jump to conclusion with gambit powers based of misconception over what actually appeared on pannel.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugandepends on the ammount of charge he uses adn it is pretty clear that he did it to his forearm, he just knew he could take the damage and survive, unlike most of his other opponents
I dont think that is the case at all. He charged the rapps on daken arm, not daken. In fact if he charged daken his whole body would have blown up not simply a single part of his arm.People seem to love to jump to conclusion with gambit powers based of misconception over what actually appeared on pannel.
Originally posted by 753
depends on the ammount of charge he uses adn it is pretty clear that he did it to his forearm, he just knew he could take the damage and survive, unlike most of his other opponents
clearly see the rapping on his arm.
Look closely, it clearly the rapping on his arm blowing up
Originally posted by 753
his power is actually a limitless morphophysiological potential. it commonly manifests as one of many conceivable powers that can allow him him to counter a situation, but it has been theorized he can control it with practice and manifest any superpower he wants at will and he has displayed powers to achieve things he desired when his life was in no risk at all.
Limitless potential? I can think of at least one instance where he reached his limitations and another where he was pretty close. He couldn't absorb Hulk's gamma energy and had to teleport away. It was stated he was drained of almost all his power during the explosion on Krakoa, IIRC he was about to die. His power was always to survive, he was never some plot device like Fury. Other than that, it was always minor things.
I've never seen him demonstrate the ability to simply evolve or jump in levels like he did in that fight. Before this, regrowing from a body of pure energy was his greatest feat most likely:
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/1181/xmdg06268lk.jpg
Not really sure if it was confirmed whether the mutant energy he was exposed to or his abilities were responsible for the rebirth. Probably a bit of both.
You're hiding behind "mutant potential!" like that makes it any more logical. Before this, surviving in a Volcano would have probably been his second best feat.
Do you have a scan or reference to that? He had the typical comment about potential or what not from the Professor when we were introduced to him:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5730/advancedadaptation0gs.jpg
And even then, it was about the possibilities and nothing major.
I don't think you understand the nature of the gap between what he does 100% of the time and becoming a Death God.
Originally posted by 753
besides, by defnition, he has no predeterminate power level, he is supposed to be all over the place feat-wise, which really makes claims of inconsistency moot. the reason I came to belive he had stolen power form her was his subsequent engagement with the beast of apocalypse in the desert, as it referred to his "dual nature" as a mutant and a magical deathbringer. but the supernatural aspect of his nature may be a direct product of his own power and not hella's. has she appeared anywhere else since then?
facepalm
I stopped reading X-Factor so I can't comment on that scene. Hela appeared recently in Thor however. Pretty sure she still has an underworld in Mephisto's realm that she's running. Highly doubt he drained her of the Death God power.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Duganbut the bandages arent charged, they're not even torn it's his flesh that explodes in those pictures.
No, it pretty clear he did it to the rapp. Re read the scan and look at his arm. One of which, the one that got charge is covered in rappings. I even go so far as to show that his hand the parts not covered in the rapping, were not even blown up. Only the part the rapping covered. Take a gander.clearly see the rapping on his arm.
Look closely, it clearly the rapping on his arm blowing up
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganEdit nevermind
No, it pretty clear he did it to the rapp. Re read the scan and look at his arm. One of which, the one that got charge is covered in rappings. I even go so far as to show that his hand the parts not covered in the rapping, were not even blown up. Only the part the rapping covered. Take a gander.clearly see the rapping on his arm.
Look closely, it clearly the rapping on his arm blowing up
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Limitless potential? I can think of at least one instance where he reached his limitations and another where he was pretty close. He couldn't absorb Hulk's gamma energy and had to teleport away. It was stated he was drained of almost all his power during the explosion on Krakoa, IIRC he was about to die. His power was always to survive, he was never some plot device like Fury. Other than that, it was always minor things.I've never seen him demonstrate the ability to simply evolve or jump in levels like he did in that fight. Before this, regrowing from a body of pure energy was his greatest feat most likely:
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/1181/xmdg06268lk.jpgNot really sure if it was confirmed whether the mutant energy he was exposed to or his abilities were responsible for the rebirth. Probably a bit of both.
You're hiding behind "mutant potential!" like that makes it any more logical. Before this, surviving in a Volcano would have probably been his second best feat.
Do you have a scan or reference to that? He had the typical comment about potential or what not from the Professor when we were introduced to him:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5730/advancedadaptation0gs.jpgAnd even then, it was about the possibilities and nothing major.
I don't think you understand the nature of the gap between what he does 100% of the time and becoming a Death God.
facepalm
I stopped reading X-Factor so I can't comment on that scene. Hela appeared recently in Thor however. Pretty sure she still has an underworld in Mephisto's realm that she's running. Highly doubt he drained her of the Death God power.
he learned shiar by looking at a few writteen words, he developed superstrengh to break out of a skrull containment vat that did not pose any danger to him whatsoever, he grew longer arms to grab a spaceship that was taking off so he could follow it through space, he increased his own intelligence to pass a test, gained nightvision in the dark etc. his powers are not strictly tied to survival at all, they are concerned with changing him so he can adapt to any situation he encounters and the limitless growth potential of omega mutants as embrionary abstracts has been stated and proven on panel.
your claim that he does not power up is unsubstantiated, he grew strong enough to punch through shiar battle armor while throwing the punch and powered up again midbattle while fighting a demonic dragon more recently in x-factor. as he becomes more experienced with his powers he is becoming able to steer his adaptations fight, instead of flight solutions. this had been hinted at before and in a what if (I know they're not canon), he made the jump to simply develop any power he wants to.
regarding the hulk event, he did not reach any limit there. his body simply chose the path of least resistence as the gamma drain was not working fast enough.
in the krakoa event, he absorbed the powers of petra and sway (even more precedent to him power draining and powering up), became pure energy and then merged with vulcan, thus pushing their energy signature to unprecedented levels. they lied in stasis until being awakened by the collective energy pulse.
there is nothing about his showing with hella that contradicts the established portrayal of his powers.
Originally posted by 753
but the bandages arent charged, they're not even torn it's his flesh that explodes in those pictures.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Duganwhere did you get the idea that he cannot charge living tissue? and no, the bandages were not exploding, his flesh was, they were not lit up in pink either
scan is clearly indicating he charged up the rapping to damage the arm. There is a clear reason they picked that arm as well, it just so happen to be the one rapped. What makes more sense? That comic was showing gambit using his powers as they normally operate or jumping to the conclusion that the scan actually indicate gambit utilizing ability he does not posses nor was it even remotely hinted at in the text.
Originally posted by 753
where did you get the idea that he cannot charge living tissue?
Because he can't and hasent been able to. Were did you get this notion he could?
Originally posted by 753
no, the bandages were not exploding, his flesh was, they were not lit up in pink either
Please riddle me this, if his hand and arm were charged, why was his hand completely intacted?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont think that is the case at all. He charged the rapps on daken arm, not daken. In fact if he charged daken his whole body would have blown up not simply a single part of his arm.People seem to love to jump to conclusion with gambit powers based of misconception over what actually appeared on pannel.
I looks like he charged his hand but if it was just the rapping then it did a shit ton of damage, blowing chunks of his arm.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Because he can't and hasent been able to. Were did you get this notion he could?
who says his hand was charged? the pink glow is visible near his wrist and his flesh is explodingNor was his arm.
Please riddle me this, if his hand and arm were charged, why was his hand completely intacted? [/B]
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No, it pretty clear he did it to the rapp. Re read the scan and look at his arm. One of which, the one that got charge is covered in rappings. I even go so far as to show that his hand the parts not covered in the rapping, were not even blown up. Only the part the rapping covered. Take a gander.clearly see the rapping on his arm.
Look closely, it clearly the rapping on his arm blowing up
No it's clear that the rapping on his arms are not exploding, iff it would explode you wouldn't see all that wrapping. 🙄
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganNope, you're wrong.
I dont think that is the case at all. He charged the rapps on daken arm, not daken. In fact if he charged daken his whole body would have blown up not simply a single part of his arm.People seem to love to jump to conclusion with gambit powers based of misconception over what actually appeared on pannel.
Deal with it.
