Re: If you had the ability to erase any bands or artists from history, who would it be??
Originally posted by MovieMan22
I'd choose:The White Stripes
Christina Aguilera
Korn
Sublime
System Of A Down
Ludacris
Master P
Snoop Dogg
Sean "Diddy" Combs
Ice Cube
Annie Lennox
I only like Sublime, Korn, The White Stripes, and Snoop out of this list, but I don't see how you'd wanna erase any of them. Even if you dislike all of them, you can't just discredit them by saying they all suck and have no talent. It just isn't true.
I Only want to erase a particular album. With Teeth by NIN....A Huge Disappointment.
People should stop saying System just because you don't like them "that much". That's no need to erase them from history.
Originally posted by Phat J
i dont hate them, but i dont really enjoy their music. someone was tellin me today that they sort of sold out. their new single is like "lets go party and have a real good time". i do like parts of their songs, but im not a big fan of the singer. i can see how people like them though.
Whoever told you that is obviously oblivious to what the deeper meaning to the song is. Only stupid people think they sold out.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People should stop saying System just because you don't like them "that much". That's no need to erase them from history.Whoever told you that is obviously oblivious to what the deeper meaning to the song is. Only stupid people think they sold out.
-AC
i was just puttin my 2 cents in, i dont think they should be erased from history.
care to elaborate?
Originally posted by Slay
Coldplay...everyone is acting like they're the greatest band ever...but they suck...I mean in Holland,we have a Top 2000's and a Top 1000 at the end of the year..you know with the best songs ever...
The Top 2000 top 3 is: 1.Bohemian Raphsody
2.Child in Time
3.Hotel California (not that i don't agree on that one...)
Then you have the much younger Top 1000 which has:
1.November Rain
2.Bohemian Raphsody
3.Clocks (!!!)
as the best 3....
(They're on different radio stations,btw)
Actually, I heard that Avond by Boudewijn de Groot is number one at the moment, and rightfully so 🙂
Originally posted by Phat J
i dont hate them, but i dont really enjoy their music. someone was tellin me today that they sort of sold out. their new single is like "lets go party and have a real good time". i do like parts of their songs, but im not a big fan of the singer. i can see how people like them though.
Hahaha. SOAD sold out. Why don't you stop listening to your seemingly ignorant friend and actually look up the lyrics and see what the song is really about?
FFS.
It does have quite a catchy mainstream sound though, doesn't it? I mean I know that writing about Irag sorta gives them a "free pass" to make the song poppy but how is it any better than that "American Idiot" song? I don't think I'd call it selling out.. but there music definitely has changed.. and in my opinion not for the better.
I wouldn't say they've really changed, and I'd say that I like Mesmerize and Hypnotize better than I like their other albums. They've always been into politics and such, so them doing a song about Iraq isn't the same as Green Day doing American Idiot - since when has Green Day ever had a political song before? Never that I can remember.
Lana, I already gave him/her the explanation of the song. No need to reiterate it.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
It does have quite a catchy mainstream sound though, doesn't it? I mean I know that writing about Irag sorta gives them a "free pass" to make the song poppy but how is it any better than that "American Idiot" song? I don't think I'd call it selling out.. but there music definitely has changed.. and in my opinion not for the better.
They have changed, and it is for the better. They're much better now than they have ever been. They're way more inventive. The dynamics of the songs are much better now. Toxicity was great but it was essentially more of the same from the debut. Mezmerize and Hypnotize are completely new for them more or less.
It's not a mainstream song, it's a catchy song. Their debut had "catchy" songs. To claim that B.Y.O.B is poppy is ridiculous. Catchy doesn't equate to poppy. How does it make it better than American Idiot? Do you even listen to System of a Down? To be fair, if you can't tell why it's any better upon listening to both bands, then I really don't know how much more blatant it can be made.
System of a Down are much more politically active and intelligent than Green Day or most other bands ever besides Rage.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI liked Mezmerize at first but it really had little replay value to me.. that's why I didn't even bother with Hypnotize. Cause I listened to it a couple times and felt like I was done with it.. it was just a waste of money to me. I'll agree if you wanna say they're "more inventive" now cause their music is more varied now while before they sorta had a style that they stuck to for most if not all of their songs.. but I liked their style. That was the main reason I even listened to them.. I liked their sound.
They have changed, and it is for the better. They're much better now than they have ever been. They're way more inventive. The dynamics of the songs are much better now. Toxicity was great but it was essentially more of the same from the debut. Mezmerize and Hypnotize are completely new for them more or less.It's not a mainstream song, it's a catchy song. Their debut had "catchy" songs. To claim that B.Y.O.B is poppy is ridiculous. Catchy doesn't equate to poppy. How does it make it better than American Idiot? Do you even listen to System of a Down? To be fair, if you can't tell why it's any better upon listening to both bands, then I really don't know how much more blatant it can be made.
System of a Down are much more politically active and intelligent than Green Day or most other bands ever besides Rage.
-AC
BYOB is very poppy. What is pop music? It's catchy, popular music is it not? Doesn't BYOB fit this description? Not that this is necessarily a bad thing.. BYOB is not why I don't really take kindly to their new stuff.. but it is indeed a pop song.
And the fact that they always write about politics doesn't really make a difference to me. Iraq is a cliche subject and they didn't say anything that doesn't get said at every anti-war protest around the world.. their political history doesn't make the song any better. It's just like when everyone wrote songs about Katrina. Public Enemy was among that list of rappers.. does the fact that they've been writing about politics for nearly two decades change the fact that they essentially jumped on the bandwagon by making a song about Katrina without saying anything that hasn't been said? No.. it doesn't.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I liked Mezmerize at first but it really had little replay value to me.. that's why I didn't even bother with Hypnotize. Cause I listened to it a couple times and felt like I was done with it.. it was just a waste of money to me. I'll agree if you wanna say they're "more inventive" now cause their music is more varied now while before they sorta had a style that they stuck to for most if not all of their songs.. but I liked their style. That was the main reason I even listened to them.. I liked their sound.
I think Hypnotize is by far their best album and Mezmerize is the album I replayed the most this year, but to each their own.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
BYOB is very poppy. What is pop music? It's catchy, popular music is it not? Doesn't BYOB fit this description? Not that this is necessarily a bad thing.. BYOB is not why I don't really take kindly to their new stuff.. but it is indeed a pop song.
"Pop" elements within it, yes. It's not a pop song. The overall goal and achievement both musical and lyrical proves that it's not a pop song. It has pop sensibilites, but it's by no means a pop song. It's still a metal song, already being hailed as one of the greatest for a long time.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
And the fact that they always write about politics doesn't really make a difference to me. Iraq is a cliche subject and they didn't say anything that doesn't get said at every anti-war protest around the world.. their political history doesn't make the song any better. It's just like when everyone wrote songs about Katrina. Public Enemy was among that list of rappers.. does the fact that they've been writing about politics for nearly two decades change the fact that they essentially jumped on the bandwagon by making a song about Katrina without saying anything that hasn't been said? No.. it doesn't.
You asked what the difference was between American Idiot and B.Y.O.B, didn't you? I told you. Case closed.
American Idiot was about people being controlled by TV and the general annoyance Billie Joe had with the Bush Admin. B.Y.O.B is nothing close to as trivial. To suggest System are political equals of Green Day is rather...wrong. You only need listen to all the songs they did way before the Iraq war even occured.
Either way, why should they NOT write about a subject they have the intelligence to speak on, just because many idiots are making it THE cool thing to rebel against? If you can't tell the difference between the true political figures and bands in rock music then that pretty much says it all.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSo you think that whether a song is pop is determined by the artist's motivation and not the actual music? Well then, how the hell do we really know their "goal?"
"Pop" elements within it, yes. It's not a pop song. The overall goal and achievement both musical and lyrical proves that it's not a pop song. It has pop sensibilites, but it's by no means a pop song. It's still a metal song, already being hailed as one of the greatest for a long time.
You asked what the difference was between American Idiot and B.Y.O.B, didn't you? I told you. Case closed.Well they can write about whatever they want. But if they're going to pick a cliche subject then they take on the burden that it's already been done to death and it's their responsibility to approach it from a new angle that hasn't been explored yet to reinstall a sense of originality. If they don't do so, fine, but I'm not going to pretend they said something interesting or meaningful just cause I like the group that said it.American Idiot was about people being controlled by TV and the general annoyance Billie Joe had with the Bush Admin. B.Y.O.B is nothing close to as trivial. To suggest System are political equals of Green Day is rather...wrong. You only need listen to all the songs they did way before the Iraq war even occured.
Either way, why should they NOT write about a subject they have the intelligence to speak on, just because many idiots are making it THE cool thing to rebel against? If you can't tell the difference between the true political figures and bands in rock music then that pretty much says it all.
-AC
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
So you think that whether a song is pop is determined by the artist's motivation and not the actual music? Well then, how the hell do we really know their "goal?"
No not always, but in this case the only thing that the song has going for it in the "pop" sense is the catchiness of it. It has pop elements but it's not a pop song. To claim so would be to claim it has more pop sound than rock or metal, which it doesn't.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Well they can write about whatever they want. But if they're going to pick a cliche subject then they take on the burden that it's already been done to death and it's their responsibility to approach it from a new angle that hasn't been explored yet to reinstall a sense of originality. If they don't do so, fine, but I'm not going to pretend they said something interesting or meaningful just cause I like the group that said it.
I'm not going to pretend either, but I also recognise who can actually back up what they say in their songs and who can't. System can. Serj is heavily involved in politics when he's not making music, Billie Joe isn't, Eminem isn't. So whilst I'm not going to pretend they said something ultra meaningful, I'm not gonna deprive them of the right to be hailed for social commentary just because there are mugs doing it wrong.
As for your originality part, how many other songs sound like B.Y.O.B? 50? 10? None?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWell I have sorta a broad definition of what pop is. I think a song can be pop and be metal or rock or rap at the same time, as I don't really think pop is an actual genre just just a certain type of music that appears at the surface of every genre. The Beatles were pop. The Beastie Boys were pop. Prince is pop. As far as I'm concerned it's not restricted by genre.
No not always, but in this case the only thing that the song has going for it in the "pop" sense is the catchiness of it. It has pop elements but it's not a pop song. To claim so would be to claim it has more pop sound than rock or metal, which it doesn't.
I'm not going to pretend either, but I also recognise who can actually back up what they say in their songs and who can't. System can. Serj is heavily involved in politics when he's not making music, Billie Joe isn't, Eminem isn't. So whilst I'm not going to pretend they said something ultra meaningful, I'm not gonna deprive them of the right to be hailed for social commentary just because there are mugs doing it wrong.Alright that's true, but that doesn't really make the actual lyrics of the song any better to me. It makes me take the band more serious, but does nothing for my listening experience.
As for your originality part, how many other songs sound like B.Y.O.B? 50? 10? None?"Sound like" as in the music? None that I can think of. I was arguing that the lyrical content is cliche, not that the song itself is not original. I don't care for BYOB's general sound, but I can't think of any specific songs that sound the same. Though to me it sounds like a typical pop song melody wise.. it just seems more rock-ish cause the melody is made with heavy guitars.-AC
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Well I have sorta a broad definition of what pop is. I think a song can be pop and be metal or rock or rap at the same time, as I don't really think pop is an actual genre just just a certain type of music that appears at the surface of every genre. The Beatles were pop. The Beastie Boys were pop. Prince is pop. As far as I'm concerned it's not restricted by genre.
Pop has always been a genre. To me, real pop is Michael Jackson, The Supremes etc. Prince is also arguably more rock than pop.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Alright that's true, but that doesn't really make the actual lyrics of the song any better to me. It makes me take the band more serious, but does nothing for my listening experience.
This was never a problem. It does for you what it does for you.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
"Sound like" as in the music? None that I can think of. I was arguing that the lyrical content is cliche, not that the song itself is not original. I don't care for BYOB's general sound, but I can't think of any specific songs that sound the same. Though to me it sounds like a typical pop song melody wise.. it just seems more rock-ish cause the melody is made with heavy guitars.
There's nothing typical about the way B.Y.O.B is constructed but we're talking about music, not technique.
So what is it you're arguing? First you say that they should put an original spin on cliched stuff if they're gonna do it, so I prove they have and you retort with "the song is original but the lyrics are cliche".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI didn't just say "put an original spin on it," I said if they want to touch on such a cliche subject they should approach it from a new angle. As in, when writing the lyrics on the cliche subject. The music was never in question as far as being cliche.. so how does original sounding music make the lyrics any less cliche? I know you don't think lyrics matter.. but this whole thing did sorta spawn from a discussion on "what BYOB is really about."
So what is it you're arguing? First you say that they should put an original spin on cliched stuff if they're gonna do it, so I prove they have and you retort with "the song is original but the lyrics are cliche".-AC
I dont think SOAD are that much of a big deal anymore. Musical opinion has moved on...
Thats not too say they cant bring a decent tune, just everything in the usual spectrum of metal has been condensed into this 'emo' (which lets face it, isnt even emo) fad and SOAD were too far away from what everyone else was doing to join in, which is good and bad at the same time.