If you had the ability to erase any bands or artists from history, who would it be??

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I didn't just say "put an original spin on it," I said if they want to touch on such a cliche subject they should approach it from a new angle. As in, when writing the lyrics on the cliche subject. The music was never in question as far as being cliche.. so how does original sounding music make the lyrics any less cliche? I know you don't think lyrics matter.. but this whole thing did sorta spawn from a discussion on "what BYOB is really about."

It didn't. Some idiot decided to call them sellouts because he/she didn't get what they were saying and therefore misinformed their friend (the poster here) that they were some kind of commercial sellout.

It's not cliche to write about the Iraq war anyway per se. It just became a popular thing to do to get noticed. It's not gonna last forever and System can still do it musically better than almost anyone. Lyrically I don't care if they say something about the Iraq war that someone else is saying. Why? Because I know THEY know what they're on about.

Either way, B.Y.O.B's lyrics aren't cliche. Nor is the meaning. It just happens to be connected to the Iraq war, it's not exclusively about it.

Originally posted by exanda kane
I dont think SOAD are that much of a big deal anymore. Musical opinion has moved on...

Thats not too say they cant bring a decent tune, just everything in the usual spectrum of metal has been condensed into this 'emo' (which lets face it, isnt even emo) fad and SOAD were too far away from what everyone else was doing to join in, which is good and bad at the same time.

"It's better to let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

SoaD are one of the best, most talented and able bands on the planet today. They're about as big a deal as it can get. They're also a rare band in that they are critically acclaimed in the mainstream but also a genuinely awesome band who don't suck.

Not everything in metal has been condensed into emo. Stop talking, please. For your own good. You are genuinely clueless. Why are you saying it's bad and good that System were miles away from everyone else? It's good. Nothing bad about it.

It seems like you can't decide whether you want bands to be unique or all clones of each other.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It didn't. Some idiot decided to call them sellouts because he/she didn't get what they were saying and therefore misinformed their friend (the poster here) that they were some kind of commercial sellout.

It's not cliche to write about the Iraq war anyway per se. It just became a popular thing to do to get noticed. It's not gonna last forever and System can still do it musically better than almost anyone. Lyrically I don't care if they say something about the Iraq war that someone else is saying. Why? Because I know THEY know what they're on about.

Either way, B.Y.O.B's lyrics aren't cliche. Nor is the meaning. It just happens to be connected to the Iraq war, it's not exclusively about it.

"It's better to let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

SoaD are one of the best, most talented and able bands on the planet today. They're about as big a deal as it can get. They're also a rare band in that they are critically acclaimed in the mainstream but also a genuinely awesome band who don't suck.

Not everything in metal has been condensed into emo. Stop talking, please. For your own good. You are genuinely clueless. Why are you saying it's bad and good that System were miles away from everyone else? It's good. Nothing bad about it.

It seems like you can't decide whether you want bands to be unique or all clones of each other.

-AC

I'm sorry A.C but you are a complete clueless dickhead. Your not even in touch with what is happening atm. And you dont read the posts correctly. You just go galavanting off, shoving your opinions, most of which are pathetic at everyone else.

SOAD arent the huge thing they were 3 years ago, you dont see the lil' mini moshers wearing SOAD hoodies anymore (well thank god, there dress sense was awful), yes they are a great band dont get me wrong, and most likely they will not be forgotten but its pointless saying there still the biggest metal band on the planet.

And yes its good that SOAD remained where they are, removed from everything else, but it's also given them less credit than they deserve.

Originally posted by exanda kane
I'm sorry A.C but you are a complete clueless dickhead. Your not even in touch with what is happening atm. And you dont read the posts correctly. You just go galavanting off, shoving your opinions, most of which are pathetic at everyone else.

SOAD arent the huge thing they were 3 years ago, you dont see the lil' mini moshers wearing SOAD hoodies anymore (well thank god, there dress sense was awful), yes they are a great band dont get me wrong, and most likely they will not be forgotten but its pointless saying there still the biggest metal band on the planet.

The endlessly funny thing about you, although it's not actually funny, is that you have THE single worst view on what makes a band great. You seem to believe that popularity actually reflects greatness. Biggest doesn't mean best. Regardless of whether they are as big now or not, they're musically better than they've ever been, which is what matters. It doesn't matter how many people like them.

You care more about being "in touch" with the "cool" opinion. Why? I don't know. Oh yes, I do. It's because you're a sheep.

Originally posted by exanda kane
And yes its good that SOAD remained where they are, removed from everything else, but it's also given them less credit than they deserve.

They get all the credit they deserve.

Oh yes, you mean they're not plastered all over TV? Doesn't mean shit, kid. Learn things before you try to debate with me please.

It's painful to read your posts. Embarassing.

-AC

Not at all embarrasing I assure you. Fact is that you got out of me a half-arsed opinion on somthing I don't really have any views on in the first place. Radiohead just don't cut it as Legendary.

I first said that i think you all love Radiohead too much, you declared them instantly Legendary because you couldn't understand a fellow fan not haring that view.

No your wrong about me, I'm no sheep. I have purely said what many people think, I have not said that I dont think SOAD are good or out of touch, or I have said what a general concensus is from people i know.

And SOAD dont get much credit anymore, hell there not even mentioned in public.

So kid, I recommend you stop trying to be different and look at other peoples opinions. Arrogance and subterfuge do not help. And why do you make all your posts so personal? Is that your method when you dont actually have the capacity to deal with the friendly criticism of bands you like? To try and discredit people? You may act intelligent and you sure as hell don't give anything away, but your actually just unhappy with your life.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Not at all embarrasing I assure you. Fact is that you got out of me a half-arsed opinion on somthing I don't really have any views on in the first place. Radiohead just don't cut it as Legendary.

I first said that i think you all love Radiohead too much, you declared them instantly Legendary because you couldn't understand a fellow fan not haring that view.

Well seeing as me and multiple others have already whooped your "Radiohead aren't legendary" argument out into the open ocean, I'm gonna just laugh that off.

I've said to you many times, I don't care if you don't think they're legendary. They are though, are you clear on this? Stop being an idiot.

Originally posted by exanda kane
No your wrong about me, I'm no sheep. I have purely said what many people think, I have not said that I dont think SOAD are good or out of touch, or I have said what a general concensus is from people i know.

Well then that's something to say about the people you know isn't it? Because that's a horrifically inaccurate analysis of the development of the band in question.

Originally posted by exanda kane
And SOAD dont get much credit anymore, hell there not even mentioned in public.

See what I mean with you? Being mentioned in public doesn't matter. It doesn't matter one bit. Public praise doesn't make talent. Some of the best bands in the world are more or less unknown by the general public.

"SoaD don't get credit because they're not mentioned in public." Holy crap. Get some logic boy. Though it's obvious now why you hold the opinions you do. If you aren't massively mentioned in public, you're not getting credit or legendary.

Originally posted by exanda kane
So kid, I recommend you stop trying to be different and look at other peoples opinions. Arrogance and subterfuge do not help. And why do you make all your posts so personal? Is that your method when you dont actually have the capacity to deal with the friendly criticism of bands you like? To try and discredit people? You may act intelligent and you sure as hell don't give anything away, but your actually just unhappy with your life.

Oh dear. I don't even know where to start with this.

I don't care who or what you criticise. If you're right, you're right. Though you haven't been "right" in any of our encounters and the only thing stopping you from conceding is your sheer idiocy and short-term memory.

You say one thing, go back on it, then say it again. All the while trying to skydive into a pile of logic and missing.

-AC

So kid, I recommend you stop trying to be different and look at other peoples opinions.

I think that maybe you should spend less time caring about other people's opinions and think for yourself....better to be different and think for yourself than to base everything off what everyone else thinks and conforming.

Hey A.C, your a prick ok. Stop whoring these forums and get a life.

Stop being bitter, you caught a whooping.

Shit happens, move on.

-AC

I spose you could say bitter. I gave my opinion earlier expecting there to be some normal people around, yet i find a bunch of little gremlins who listen to Radiohead too much under the hoovering of their mothers vacuum above the basement they live in.

Let's make a deal, yes?

I'll listen to Radiohead "too much" and you can diss me for it. You listen to Fightstar and Lostprophets and we'll see how comes out looking worse 🙂.

-AC

well I'm sorry but based on both Lostprophets and Fightstar's aesthetic looks and styles (less Charlie, withh those eyebrows), your gonna come out rather ugly.

Haha, quite funny. Must admit.

Anyway, you're done. Was good though.

-AC

Well it looks like your done aswell. Unless you have any more personal posts to get through...

So you can just go along listening while SOAD travel out of recollection while I'll just try not to get to attached. Btw if there last album worth picking up? I mean I havnt seen them live since the album before came out so i have little clue.

I think their most recent album is their best yet, personally.

-AC

Well as I'm kind of detecting a pattern in the reason you like certain bands I'll give it a miss.

Hahaha, sure thing.

-AC

i really like lostprophets *looks at shoes*

but i do agree with AC, the new SOAD is probably my favourite of all their cds, people went into the split cd expecting another Toxicity and got upset when it didn't happen. oh well, the band are progressing beautifully

I can't say much about their new stuff because the last album I bought from them was Toxicity, but I heard mixed things about Steal This Album and the rest. There's just not as much publicity for them, however lack of publicity doesnt mean that there rubbish, nor does it imply I mean that.

You imply it means that they can't be called certain things, legendary being one.

Legendary status isn't dictated by popular knowledge.

Steal This Album, whilst great, was a collection of unused songs.

-AC

What are you on about now? Your head is way up in the clouds kid. Do you have problems at home?

I mean i've just conformed to your view but you feel the need to segregate yourself.

Of course Steal This Album was a collection of unused songs, we don't need things handprinted in basic sentences to make sense like you it seems.

And most of all, I don't care what your on about because you are really just laughable but your attitude sure is annoying. Just calm down. Relax. Do not worry. These people are good people. You should not feel the need to attack them. You are safe.