yoda vs. revan

I don't think C-3PO could toss a thermal or fire a blaster, neither have the balls to do either. 😛

Originally posted by kamikz
I don't think C-3PO could toss a thermal or fire a blaster, neither have the balls to do either. 😛

Well he probably could if he needed to, but the point still stands. Nothing is impossible in a fight.

i was being sarcastic about yoda beating him, but im just so pissed about the fanboyism of revan.

And fighting fanboyism with far more absurd fanboyism is a good idea, why?

Honestly....Yoda takes this one easily. Yoda was simply the most powerful Jedi of most any time, coming in second behind NJO Luke only. His power in the force being unmatched and his knowledge of all the eras.

Revan is not as strong as he's made out to be. He's far weaker than the exceptional greats

I really think some common sense should be applied when comparing video game characters to movie characters, some of their respective feats can be attributed soley to the medium they have been represented in. Instant-kill, immortal, destroying an entire fleet with rage, etc.. 😑

Neither of these characters would "own" the other, it would be a great battle and could go either way.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Honestly....Yoda takes this one easily. Yoda was simply the most powerful Jedi of most any time, coming in second behind NJO Luke only. His power in the force being unmatched and his knowledge of all the eras.

Revan is not as strong as he's made out to be. He's far weaker than the exceptional greats

Where did you crawl out of? The Commision for Making Movie Characters More Badass Than They Really Are?

Yoda was simply the most powerful Jedi of most any time, coming in second behind NJO Luke only

So they jedi must really ****ing suck, because last I checked Yoda got tooled by Sidious, who was in the grand scheme of things a relatively minor Sith lord who's abilities had to be reinforced with artifacts from older Sith, not to mention the stpid Kaiburr crystal and other assorted bonuses.

Revan is pretty badass. In an entire war of Sith and dark jedi versus the Jedi Order and the Republic, no one defeated him in combat. Even Malak, who can destroy jedi knights easier than Sidious can, and was a reputable fighter in the Mandalorian Wars (See his official profile) lost to Revan decisively. According to KotOR II, he apparently has Force-aided battle precognition. This is a heightened version of regular Jedi senses. You're telling me that Yoda will be able to contend with someone who can read his moves before he's thought of them? Yoda could barely keep pace with Sidious, who was defeated by Mace Windu with a simple kick.

I don't recall any sweat on Mace Windu's dome when he had Sidious on the floor. Wait...... here it comes...

[Insert Sidious threw the fight unproven argument here]

Revan was a powerful, intelligent and capable Sith Lord of an age of war and saber battles. Yoda was an ancient Jedi master who was bested by a politician-Sith Lord. I realize that his little flips make your jaw drop, but he never wins a saber fight decisively and when it comes to offensive force powers, Revan bests him. Done.

Blind Guardian pretty much said everything that needs to be said.

*applause*

That post pretty much sums up why I can't stand debating between game/EU characters and movie ones, some lazy writer or game designer (this coming from a game programmer..) can decide on a whim that some random character is invincible or can kill opponents with a single unblockable move and completely ignore what has already been established in the universe. *Sigh* The idea that Yoda and Sidious are weak Masters of their respective Orders is insane, George Lucas would laugh at the idea, hes clearly established that in his universe they are the peak of what a Jedi and Sith can be.

Originally posted by Wally West
That post pretty much sums up why I can't stand debating between game/EU characters and movie ones, some lazy writer or game designer (this coming from a game programmer..) can decide on a whim that some random character is invincible or can kill opponents with a single unblockable move and completely ignore what has already been established in the universe. *Sigh* The idea that Yoda and Sidious are weak Masters of their respective Orders is insane, George Lucas would laugh at the idea, hes clearly established that in his universe they are the peak of what a Jedi and Sith can be.

Hence why the EU is a seperate and parallel universe to that of Lucas', similar but different

Originally posted by Blind Guardian
Where did you crawl out of? The Commision for Making Movie Characters More Badass Than They Really Are?

Yoda was simply the most powerful Jedi of most any time, coming in second behind NJO Luke only

So they jedi must really ****ing suck, because last I checked Yoda got tooled by Sidious, who was in the grand scheme of things a relatively minor Sith lord who's abilities had to be reinforced with artifacts from older Sith, not to mention the stpid Kaiburr crystal and other assorted bonuses.

Revan is pretty badass. In an entire war of Sith and dark jedi versus the Jedi Order and the Republic, no one defeated him in combat. Even Malak, who can destroy jedi knights easier than Sidious can, and was a reputable fighter in the Mandalorian Wars (See his official profile) lost to Revan decisively. According to KotOR II, he apparently has Force-aided battle precognition. This is a heightened version of regular Jedi senses. You're telling me that Yoda will be able to contend with someone who can read his moves before he's thought of thKaiem? Yoda could barely keep pace with Sidious, who was defeated by Mace Windu with a simple kick.

I don't recall any sweat on Mace Windu's dome when he had Sidious on the floor. Wait...... here it comes...

[Insert Sidious threw the fight unproven argument here]

Revan was a powerful, intelligent and capable Sith Lord of an age of war and saber battles. Yoda was an ancient Jedi master who was bested by a politician-Sith Lord. I realize that his little flips make your jaw drop, but he never wins a saber fight decisively and when it comes to offensive force powers, Revan bests him. Done.

Where did you come out of? The KOTOR fanboy database? If you crack open a sourcebook or commentary, you'd see I was right here.
Yoda tooled by Sidious? Oh, yes, only outwitted and beaten when destiny was against him and he was facing the mightiest Sith who ever lived-y'know, this was kinda said by Marka Ragnos himself.

Kaiburr crystal? How sweet, did you get that from Super Shadow?

Who do I trust...numerous source books, authors and SW Insider...or some KOTOR fanboy on a message board?

And Mace was only one of the best Jedi swordsmen who ever lived. And the plausible theory of Sidious's planned defeat. Politician Sith Lord? What do you say to Palpatine wiping out a Republic fleet? Or to Palpatine sucking the life out of 6 billion people on Byss to regain his power?

Come back when you learn about Star Wars. You'd get eaten alive in the real communities

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where did you come out of? The KOTOR fanboy database? If you crack open a sourcebook or commentary, you'd see I was right here.
Yoda tooled by Sidious? Oh, yes, only outwitted and beaten when destiny was against him and he was facing the mightiest Sith who ever lived-y'know, this was kinda said by Marka Ragnos himself.

Kaiburr crystal? How sweet, did you get that from Super Shadow?

Who do I trust...numerous source books, authors and SW Insider...or some KOTOR fanboy on a message board?

And Mace was only one of the best Jedi swordsmen who ever lived. And the plausible theory of Sidious's planned defeat. Politician Sith Lord? What do you say to Palpatine wiping out a Republic fleet? Or to Palpatine sucking the life out of 6 billion people on Byss to regain his power?

Come back when you learn about Star Wars. You'd get eaten alive in the real communities

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where did you come out of? The KOTOR fanboy database? If you crack open a sourcebook or commentary, you'd see I was right here.
Yoda tooled by Sidious? Oh, yes, only outwitted and beaten when destiny was against him and he was facing the mightiest Sith who ever lived-y'know, this was kinda said by Marka Ragnos himself.

Kaiburr crystal? How sweet, did you get that from Super Shadow?

Who do I trust...numerous source books, authors and SW Insider...or some KOTOR fanboy on a message board?

And Mace was only one of the best Jedi swordsmen who ever lived. And the plausible theory of Sidious's planned defeat. Politician Sith Lord? What do you say to Palpatine wiping out a Republic fleet? Or to Palpatine sucking the life out of 6 billion people on Byss to regain his power?

Come back when you learn about Star Wars. You'd get eaten alive in the real communities

The "real" communities? Are you puffing your chest over a FORUM?

What kind of man are you? Or would that be stretching the truth?

Please... either prove up or shut up. You bore me.

The same could apply for you. Try The Force.net, open up one of the sourcebooks, read a little. The only thing that's boring is your foul manner and boorish insults. Kindly back up YOUR points.

I have when I've made them.

And TheForce.net is not an official site. So please, stop peddling it here.

The Force.net has many officials on it, including Leland Chee and numerous other authors...KJA, Walter Jon Williams, Jon Ostrander...to name a few

And they are? Proof of their "credentials"? I hate to break this to you, but the default position is negative. You have to prove that these are credible sources, not just appeal to authority. That's a logical fallacy, btw.

So....a place where official authors hang out isn't high up? Leland Chee, place in control of The Holocron isn't 'official' enough for you?

Apparently you do not understand the basic concept here:

YOU are making an assertion that such and such credible people who I don't know from Adam at an unofficial site have made claims about subject material and YOU refuse to provide any proof.

Look, I can do it too:

Job Bob at TehFurce.com said that Vader is gay.

And TheForce.net's reputation does sort of disprove you there. Can you deny that officials make their way to TFN.net? Can you deny its reputation? Can you deny for one second that theForce.net is a massive authority on Star Wars? It may be unofficial, but TFN released details on Episode 3 long before the movie came out. They've got exclusive interviews, published products and have become probably the best damn SW site in existence.