Lightsnake...
Sidious was not a heavy weight amongst Sith Lords. He doesn't even come close unless its DE Sidious in which cacse he's pretty damn powerful the movie Sidious however would be absolutely schooled by most if not all of the older Sith Lords..
yoda however BG is greater then Sidious but because of the way he fights he will never be able to beat an opponent fast Sidious or Revan, well he would most likely not be able to beat Revan at all. But his fight with Sidious who is nothing compared to Revan in the movies means nothing about his fight with Revan.
I'm sick of this. Sidious isn't 'one of' the heavyweights, or 'one of the strongest'. Give me a sINGLE THING that the ancient Sith did to compare to him, and don't hurl that lying, manipulative Sith Kreia's quote at me. She never heard of Palpatine, A and she's a known liar, B. You want to contend with the official sources who call Palpatine the strongest Sith EVER? OF ALL TIME? You know the Ancient Sith THEMSELVES said Sith was the greatest and strongest in Empire's End?
Revan is NOTHING compared to Sidious or the upper tier Sith and this has been proven. Kevin J. Anderson himself, who CREATED Ragnos and Kun said they were weaker than Sidious
You really are an idiot..
Show me quotes and evidence of all of that stuff that you just said, because i'm not going to believe it.
and lets see.. Lets start with the first
Ajunta Pall... Hard to tell if he was really more powerful because we know shit about him. What we do know however is that he survived as a force ghost for 25.000 years and was still powerful enough to kill some sith in training. Force ghosts tend to weaken heavily over time and 25.000 years is a long time. 5.000 was enough to make Ragnos from the most powerful ever to a weak thing. Now of course Ajunta could have had different circumstances, but if the aging all went the same way then he would have been more powerful then anybody. No evidence of this, but he would probably still beat Sidious.
Simus, unchallenged in a time of many powerful Sith Lords, some of which could blow up stars... Yeah he would take Sidious with ease.
Ragnos took out Simus and was unchallenged even on his death bed, he'd take Sidious with ease.
Freedon Nadd, conquered a planet and killed a lot of Jedi with a blaster and a short lightsaber. He'd pwn Sidious silly.
Exar Kun, he made the ground shake as he walked, he blew up stars froze the Republic Senate and all the Jedi there, then pwned his former Jedi Master of great power. He'd pwn Sidious with ease.
Revan controlled the Star Forge, had great power destroyed the Jedi Order, is described as legendaric brilliant powerful smart. He fought his way through council members Star Forge droids that were able to kill Jedi and then defeated Malak a powerful Sith Lord, that was the only other powerful enough to control the Star Forge. Many others tried all died trying, and that includes High Jedi Council members.
Malak a front line warrior and great fighter killed some of the most powerful Jedi and defeated what could very well have been the most powerful jedi of that time, who only escaped because of a fluke. He was unmatched except for Revan, and thats not really something to be ashamed off.
Bane, survived a bomb that should have killed everybody but the strongest. 2.000 or 20.000 people where there he was the only survivor. These were sith that had fought their entire lives and were great fighters, he too would pwn Sidious.
Sidious on the other hand has done nothing, but manipulated he hasn't fought a single battle himself. Well he fought two, he lost one and he "won" the other by a fluke, he was losing it but managed to win by luck and circumstances. You are a movie fanboy beyond reason. Now stop being an idiot and accept logic already.
Not according to Aaron Allston!
When asked on Kyp's power, someone asked if he was really better than Yoda and Luke.
Mr. Allston's response: No, he just thinks he is
As for you, fIshy, give your own evidence on why you worship Revan. I'm waiting. You want my sources?
The Dark Empire official sourcebook
Kevin J. Anderson and Leland Chee from Star Wars.com
The Essential guide to characters. The Essential Chronology
the Dark Empire series.
What's your now, hmm?
Speak for yourself. And Allston was question on the SW.com forums in regards to Kyp during a debate on Kyp's abilities. Kyp's never demonstrated any sort of power.
I'm sick and tired of people underrating Sidious and his era while riding on the backs of Revan's despite being totally unable to combat official sources and events. what's Revan ver done to compare to Sidious? What'd Ragnos ever do that compares to draining life energy of six billion people with no artifacts or destroying a fleet with the Force?
Fishy continuously provides ZERO evidence for his case
I provide the same thing as you do, a post without any links or whatever... And do you know why? Because I do not need to do so, its a commonly accepted fact over here that Sidious is far weaker then other Sith Lords you argue otherwise and give us a few name's but nothing more direct.
and why oh why are all the ancient Sith Lords suddenly Revan?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Speak for yourself. And Allston was question on the SW.com forums in regards to Kyp during a debate on Kyp's abilities. Kyp's never demonstrated any sort of power.
Care to copy/paste that 'debate' for us?
Kyp? No demonstrations of power? I suppose that's true if you disregard his altering the course of a black hole, tearing the SunCrusher out of Yavin's core, and being considered 'by far' the most powerful of Luke's original students.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm sick and tired of people underrating Sidious and his era while riding on the backs of Revan's despite being totally unable to combat official sources and events. what's Revan ver done to compare to Sidious? What'd Ragnos ever do that compares to draining life energy of six billion people with no artifacts or destroying a fleet with the Force?
I'm sick and tired of you spouting this biased garbage. Nobody's calling Sidious weak. If you've read mine or Escape81's past arguments, you'll find that we have rather high standards of him. But it's only in DE that he really shines as a combatant.
What's Revan ever done? Please.
What'd Ragnos do? He ruled over millions of Sith warlords and magicians, -- who were described as 'god-like' by Anderson's narrative itself -- struck fear into the hearts of everyone who came across him, including a Sith Magician powerful enough and genius enough to destroy stars, and defeated the Dark Lord Simus.
And he drained the life out of six billion people on Byss? Nihilus decimated entire species, entire populations, entire planets, in his ravaging hunger.
Fishy continuously provides ZERO evidence for his case
He didn't think he had to, considering Sidious's abilities as of ROTS are nothing to write home about compared to his abilities in the DE series.
Fine, Revan aside. How do you respond to the Ancients calling him the strongest who'd ever lived? KJA, who CREATED the Ancients putting them below Sidious?
That's fine'n dandy for Kyp, but Luke tosses star destroyers around, while Kyp needed the help of Dorsk 81 and the other Padawans to destroy Daala's fleet.
That little power wasn't something Nihilius controlled. And to date he only ever did it on a small Miraluka colony world. Ragnos also defered to Palpatine's final wish in Empire's End, Palpatine CONTROLLED his life draining on Byss...and y'know something real funny? Sadow never destroyed a star on his own. He needed the released energies of the other dead Sith Lords and Sith artifacts to do it....and he and Simus were young when they fought.
And what's wrong with his ROTS abilities? Do you expect him to be shooting around lightning and vaporizing buildings as he christens anakin a Sith?
Moreover, Cizal said this himself: If you expect someone to dig through THOUSANDS of posts on dozens of boards, you're insane.
Nihilus didn't eat a small colony he ate a planet filled with them and Jedi Masters, a lot of Jedi... The Miraklu became pretty much extinct in the outer rim after Nihilus ate them. I wouldn't call that a small colony as they were obviously not extinct before. Even if the world was average that could still mean it had billions of people on it. And that wouldn't be much of a surprise because the Jedi were trying to hide in places with a lot of force activity.
A meeting between Jedi would have to take place in the most force sensitive location.
And in ROTS?
I would have expected him to blast Yoda away with his lightning if he was able to do it, he could have blasted away the entire Jedi Temple because nobody in that time could have matched. Why did he fear the Jedi so if he was that powerful? How come he became a lot better with a lightsaber, in the PT he lost from Mace Windu who is great i'll admit but he wouldn't have lost from mace in DE. in DE Sidious has a lot of things that have made him more powerful, things he doesn't have in the movies. At least you don't have any evidence of it at all, so it would be an incredibly foolish assumption to say he does.