I've been thinking. Now, I don't think Maul'd win but this actually might be close. I mean, he only lost to Obi-Wan by coincidence. In Shadow Hunter he beats Anoon Bondara, who's supposed to be the best Jedi with a blade (thgis is just before TPM), he nearly kills Sidious and it says in Star Wars Chronicles The Prequels that his saber skills are second only to Sidious's while the TPM visual dictionary says his saber skills are even better than Sidious's. Now putting these things together I think pretty much all of us here underestimate Maul. While I'm not changing by answer, Dooku'd win, it may actually be close.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Pfft. Dooku managed to take out Obi-Wan in twenty or so seconds while defending himself against Anakin's onslaught at the same time. The same Kenobi that held his own against Maul as a Padawan learner.
I say Dooku wins but doesn't pwn.
Originally posted by darthsith19
I've been thinking. Now, I don't think Maul'd win but this actually might be close. I mean, he only lost to Obi-Wan by coincidence. In Shadow Hunter he beats Anoon Bondara, who's supposed to be the best Jedi with a blade (thgis is just before TPM), he nearly kills Sidious and it says in Star Wars Chronicles The Prequels that his saber skills are second only to Sidious's while the TPM visual dictionary says his saber skills are even better than Sidious's. Now putting these things together I think pretty much all of us here underestimate Maul. While I'm not changing by answer, Dooku'd win, it may actually be close.
true, maul's skills with a blade are def impeccable....and the only reason obi beat him as a padawan was cuz he attacked him without warning....just hopped up, grabbed qui gons saber(which maul prolly forgot was there, or else he would've kicked it down the hole also) with the force and cut him n half....mauls no pushover and thats the reason i made this thread....but true, dooku would probably win, cuz i havent even seen episode 2 but he wouldnt pwn him in like 10 seconds though
Originally posted by darthsith19Obi Wan used force rage.. You just made that up, didn't you?
Yeah, but fighting alongside a crazed knight on a starship isn't really a very good place to utilize Soresu. And Obi-Wanb nearly held his own against Maul in TPM when using Force Rage.I say Dooku wins but doesn't pwn.
Originally posted by overlord
Obi Wan used force rage.. You just made that up, didn't you?
Obi Wan owned Maul, Maul would be stepped on by Dooku.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Braz, are you implying Obi should have given Maul fair warning? This is a duel to the death, you're supposed to attack without warning
lol no i dont think he should've given him fair warning.....im just saying if the duel would've kept going where they both had their lightsabers(maul had his dualsaber as one, and obi had his blue saber), maul would've probably won....but, that doesnt matter...could've, would've, should've, DIDNT thats just the way it turned out
Originally posted by darthsith19Force rage in never implied anywhere, except for the games and KMC.
Nope, didn't make it up. Owned? Yeah, he caught him by surprise but even when using Force rage Obi-Wan wasn't quite as good as Maul. Without it and had Qui-Gon not been there he'd have been dead in no time.
Dooku, hands down.
I think even Yoda admitted that Windu would probably be the only Jedi alive that could go toe to toe with the Count and it be an even saber fight without force. On that ground (and if I'm right about him saying that only Windu could...he could of ment both him and Windu. I don't know =P) Count would beat Maul without force powers or anything. With force powers......the count would still win. Maul was more of a fighter than a force user from what I see. The Count could do both, very well.
Either way, his saber skills > Mauls saber skills.
His force mastery > Mauls force mastery
His experience > Mauls experience**
He would win.
Now all this talk about Maul at his peek.....Maul didn't die in TPM he fell down the shaft and managed to live. He survived Naboo and got off world and had cybernetic legs attachted to him. (blah blah blah) He went to kill Luke since he heard it was Skywalkers son on Tattooine but Obi-wan was protecting him and finished him off there.....Hence why Owen didn't want him around there. Read that in a Graphic Novel. So if Obi-wan could take him than......than Count could take him without a doubt.
Not to metion that Sidious would of replaced Maul with the Count soon after so Maul would never get to his peak. Sidious had Dooku as an apprentice while Maul was still alive. The only two rule.....he broke. I don't think he cared about the rule and besides, it was more of a guideline anyway...=P
Even if you don't take the graphic novel and just go by movies. Count > Maul.
I like Maul. He was a marauder and I always like Jedi who focused more on physical combat than force mastery. =P