Sidious - The Debate

Originally posted by Pwned61
Really, I'd put sorgo up there, maybe not #2 as I originally put, But I've just never been fond of a couple of the guys you mentioned. meh, you know more about this board than I do of course.

Faunus is a complete badass when it comes to arguing. Many don't disagree with them, simply because he has no bias that I've seen. He states his point as fairly as possible.

Ianus is a heavyweight. IKC is another one, about equal to Ianus. Illustrious is a heavyweight, but he gets damn mean himself. Nai Fohl is a little less than Illustrious.

So, where would Faunus stand on Sidious and the sith?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
While I agree Dooku rocks, take Sidious? That'd be quite a feat as he's below Yoda who's equal to Sidious and is the Apprentice...

Ah, but then....Count Dooku is truly Count Dracula, so that may tip the scales...

Count Dooku is a skilled duelist and a powerful Force-user. He sure as hell isn't weak. But he was the apprentice and he feared Sidious. But Sorgo and Nai Fohl and Ianus (at times) all think Dooku could beat Sidious.

Originally posted by Pwned61
So, where would Faunus stand on Sidious and the sith?

Long story short . . . There used to be a lot of hype about Sidious and Anakin. Both were the idols of the KMC age. A lot of people grew to hate the characters because of this bias. So, a change occured. A lot of people ranked Sidious and Anakin to be very weak and foolish (yes. Sorgo and Nai Fohl have both argued that Sidious isn't as clever as people say). Faunus used to be a bit like that, and then Nai Fohl said that Obi-Wan and Anakin would tool Sidious in a duel - so Faunus learned to look at Sidious from a new light.

He has a pretty good standard of him.

Dooku well? Hell no. He's at least Mace's equal...I suppose is Sidious was exhausted and wounded to near death, but...

One of the biggest arguments was the topic on who really controlled The Confederacy. I argued that while Dooku did control the CIS to the public and such, it was actually Sidious who issued the commands to Dooku, General Grievous, and the Separatist Council - thus making him the de facto leader. But people have argued that, too . . .

Oh, undoubtedly Sidious really ruled the Confederacy....Dooku reported directly to him.

Yes, well, let's not duplicate that darn argument in here- it was all down to how people were defining things like 'running' and 'authority', at which point a debate becomes pointless.

Let's keep this one just about Sidious.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, well, let's not duplicate that darn argument in here- it was all down to how people were defining things like 'running' and 'authority', at which point a debate becomes pointless.

et's keep this one just about Sidious.

Yes Lord Vadah (Sidious never pronounces 'er'😉 😛

(whispers: Call me Your Majesty)

Fun fact: Ian McDiarmid, a trained stage actor never needed any sort of enhancement....all that creepy Palpy voice? That's all him

Originally posted by Pwned61
So, where would Faunus stand on Sidious and the sith?

Faunus would be attempting to find his place in the universe. . .

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Originally posted by Escape81
Ianus ranks perhaps third or second amongst the SW EU debators. He is a good guy and all, and has a deep sense of humor. But he's also pretty stubborn at times, and it led to his banning . . . I hope he gets back. Sorgo's a pretty good guy too. He's a vicious debator. He makes you all look like Saints. He's pretty skilled and witty, but he is an immense Dooku fanboy. He and I have argued on that topic many times. He thinks that Dooku could take Sidious (despite my disagreeing). He is also banned.

EU Forums Debators.

1. Faunus
2. Ianus
3. IKC
4. Illustrious
5. Nai Fohl

These are the big five.

Pfft. I'm nowhere near the top five debators on the forum. Janus, Illustrious, IKC, Nai, Sorgo, and yourself are all my superiors, and by no small amount. I thought we've had this discussion before. . .

As to the thread: I'm one for balance and realism, and the idea of Sidious being more powerful than someone like Ragnos or Kun is unbelievable. Things just don't add up. How would Sidious best Ragnos, but still be in danger of losing to Yoda? It makes no sense. Not to mention that in Dark Rendezvous, it is said that Sidious would be annihilated by Yoda should the Jedi Master turn to the Dark Side.

Meh. None of this makes sense, and this conclusion that many of you have reached turns everything topsy-turvy.

I think it's simple: Yoda is also mentioned as a being of extraordinary power in his light side incarnation. Why's it so hard to believe Yoda could be as strong as Sidious? The little green man could put most Sith and Jedi who aren't Skywalkers to shame. This just means Yoda is more powerful than originally thought.

How don't things add up? What did Kun every really do to trump Sidious? What did Ragnos actually DO that wasn't hearsay? This does make sense, and that sense is: Sidious is more powerful than appeared and didn't flaunt his power incredibly due to budget constraints. Yoda is as powerful as him and is stronger than those other Sith. What's the issue?

Faunus, I originally thought like you . . . But the point is that his proof has negated all others. There hasn't been proof for the others.

My thought is that the movie Jedi were definitely powerhouses, but just because we don't see true example doesn't mean they don't exist...hell, Yoda lived two decades next to an example of pure darkside energy on Dagobah, that's gotta count for something

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Pfft. I'm nowhere near the top five debators on the forum. Janus, Illustrious, IKC, Nai, Sorgo, and yourself are all my superiors, and by no small amount. I thought we've had this discussion before. . .

As to the thread: I'm one for balance and realism, and the idea of Sidious being more powerful than someone like Ragnos or Kun is unbelievable. Things just don't add up. How would Sidious best Ragnos, but still be in danger of losing to Yoda? It makes no sense. Not to mention that in Dark Rendezvous, it is said that Sidious would be annihilated by Yoda should the Jedi Master turn to the Dark Side.

Meh. None of this makes sense, and this conclusion that many of you have reached turns everything topsy-turvy.

It doesn't matter. There's proof that supports this.

Proof that conflicts with other proof, yes.

What's this other proof, Faunus? I'm curious as to why you think Yoda seems a lightweight